WWW3

Tiflis said:

Direct consequence of west ignoring what they did in Georgia in 2008. We knew Ukraine was next. Only thing Russians fear is the demonstration of force. Nothing else will deter them, period!

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my, how 19th century of you.

zeddd said:

Too much ww3 going on, it’s so hot right now

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Indeed , the world has gone crazy since Putin attacked Ukraine. Your cute. Lol

carlsbarn said:

It’s just fucking sad and I don’t understand. Putin is likely the wealthiest person on the planet and could live his days in unimaginable comfort yet this is his chosen course. Some catastrophic flaw in his psyche? Pride? Nationalism? I just don’t get it.

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Zedd has the best take on it that I've read.

zeddd said:

I have some familiarity with psychopaths and narcissists, Putin also demonstrates Machiavellianism, in total this syndrome is know as the “dark triad”. This is the worst possible personality disorder in any human, in a rich intelligent omnipotent Russian it means big trouble. I am seeing this through the lens of psychopathy and predicting how a DT personality would act.

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Fogdog said:

There he is. Denying what he just did.

Racist trash.

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right on a queue. Yawn

rkymtnman said:

Ze DDD. good things come on 3's?

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fify

zeddd said:

I was wasted and got into a 3 groove

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This forum has no pity.

nuskool89 said:

right on a queue. Yawn

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"Obama is why Putin invaded Ukraine"

Scrub says shitty thing, shitty thing is pointed out, scrub voices grievance.

white grievance, voiced exactly as expected.

rinse wash repeat

Fogdog said:

"Obama caused Putin to invade Ukraine"

Scrub says shitty thing, shitty thing is pointed out, scrub voices grievance.

white grievance, voiced exactly as expected.

rinse wash repeat

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You have a sickness. You’ve created this boogeyman that is out to get you. I didn’t say anything of the sort. Someone posted an opinion that Trump was weak/soft on Russia in the context of Ukraine, and I responded by pointing out the prior administration (Trump) was more supportive of Ukraine than the administration before him (Obama)

where you get “Obama caused Putin to invade Ukraine” makes zero sense and is just an attempt to shut someone up who has different points of view than you.

This actually all makes sense now. Your perception is reality, and explains how my original completely over the top sarcastic comment in another thread last year, using obvious rhetoric and speaking in absolutes trying to make a point about the double standard blaming an entire group of people because of the actions of a few, went over your head.

You’ll never believe me, I know. I don’t think in absolutes, I don’t view people as groups, and people arnt the sum of their skin pigmentation.

nuskool89 said:

You have a sickness. You’ve created this boogeyman that is out to get you. I didn’t say anything of the sort. Someone posted an opinion that Trump was weak/soft on Russia in the context of Ukraine, and I responded by pointing out the prior administration (Trump) was more supportive of Ukraine than the administration before him (Obama)

where you get “Obama caused Putin to invade Ukraine” makes zero sense and is just an attempt to shut someone up who has different points of view than you.

This actually all makes sense now. Your perception is reality, and explains how my original completely over the top sarcastic comment in another thread last year, using obvious rhetoric and speaking in absolutes trying to make a point about the double standard blaming an entire group of people because of the actions of a few, went over your head.

You’ll never believe me, I know. I don’t think in absolutes, I don’t view people as groups, and people arnt the sum of their skin pigmentation.

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So you are saying that Obama was worse than Trump trying to strong-arm Ukraine into manufacturing political dirt by holding up arms?



Romney was right in 2012 though about Russia, and Obama was wrong.

Finding out Russia was attacking our citizens though changed that, unfortunately too late and we ended up with Putin's puppet Trump.

nuskool89 said:

You have a sickness. You’ve created this boogeyman that is out to get you. I didn’t say anything of the sort. Someone posted an opinion that Trump was weak/soft on Russia in the context of Ukraine, and I responded by pointing out the prior administration (Trump) was more supportive of Ukraine than the administration before him (Obama)

where you get “Obama caused Putin to invade Ukraine” makes zero sense and is just an attempt to shut someone up who has different points of view than you.

This actually all makes sense now. Your perception is reality, and explains how my original completely over the top sarcastic comment in another thread last year, using obvious rhetoric and speaking in absolutes trying to make a point about the double standard blaming an entire group of people because of the actions of a few, went over your head.

You’ll never believe me, I know. I don’t think in absolutes, I don’t view people as groups, and people arnt the sum of their skin pigmentation.

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the news: Ukraine is invaded by Russia. Putin is threatening to pull the nuclear trigger.

You: BBBut Obama

Then you try to gaslight us when called out for it. Dude we see you. When your obvious ploy is called out you cry grievance.

Make me laugh by telling me once more that you say stupid shit and it's my fault.

“What is grievance? The baggage of old thought and emotion.”

hanimmal said:

So you are saying that Obama was worse than trying to strong-arm Ukraine into manufacturing political dirt by holding up arms?

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I said this:

nuskool89 said:

What was Obama doing in the 8 years he was in office about Russia? One example I recall, he declined to arm Ukraine after Russia’s invasion in 2014. (Shortly after coming into office Trump approved that same request, then also requested 17 billion for the European Deterrence Initiative in his first 2 years, compared to Obama’s 5 billion in the last 3 years he was in office)

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In response to this:

Paul Drake said:

You mean Trumper didn’t take him seriously.

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^ That comment, was in response to this:

ChongMaBong said:

The truth is no one is in the western world wants a war with Russia. Putin has built a huge arsenal of weaponry & military high tech over the last 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously until now. As usual history WILL repeat itself over and over again. I truly hope there isn't a WW3 as there is no way back once it starts.

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*specifically in response to the 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously. The person responded trying to dismiss the 15 years with Trumper.

(Also notice those are actual quotes not imaginary quotes @Fogdog imagined)

I completely understand why @nuskool89 wants to talk about the past. The behavior of Republicans and their right wing echo chamber lately has been awful. One could even say traitorous.

So, yeah, do go on about 2014. 2022 is a bad look for his kind.

nuskool89 said:

I said this:

“What was Obama doing in the 8 years he was in office about Russia? One example I recall, he declined to arm Ukraine after Russia’s invasion in 2014. (Shortly after coming into office Trump approved that same request, then also requested 17 billion for the European Deterrence Initiative in his first 2 years, compared to Obama’s 5 billion in the last 3 years he was in office)”

In response to this:

“You mean Trumper didn’t take him seriously.”

^ That comment, was in response to this:

“The truth is no one is in the western world wants a war with Russia. Putin has built a huge arsenal of weaponry & military high tech over the last 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously until now. As usual history WILL repeat itself over and over again. I truly hope there isn't a WW3 as there is no way back once it starts.”


*specifically in response to the 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously. The person responded trying to dismiss the 15 years with Trumper.

(Also notice those are actual quotes not imaginary quotes @Fogdog imagined)

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None of those quotes have links. Do not require we trust you.

Fogdog said:

I completely understand why @nuskool89 wants to talk about the past. The behavior of Republicans and their right wing echo chamber lately has been awful. One could even say traitorous.

So, yeah, do go on about 2014. 2022 is a bad look for his kind.

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Actually I just wanted to participate in the conversation others were having on the subject. I don’t know why you take such offense to that

nuskool89 said:

Actually I just wanted to participate in the conversation others were having on the subject. I don’t know why you take such offense to that

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grievance voiced

rinse wash repeat

cannabineer said:

None of those quotes have links. Do not require we trust you.

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fixed*

that may have been a bit tongue in cheek on your end considering they’re right there in the thread to read, but I get it.

nuskool89 said:

fixed*

that may have been a bit tongue in cheek on your end considering they’re right there in the thread to read, but I get it.

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No. I meant links to the relevant journalism. Partial credit for creative interpretation.

nuskool89 said:

I said this:

“What was Obama doing in the 8 years he was in office about Russia? One example I recall, he declined to arm Ukraine after Russia’s invasion in 2014. (Shortly after coming into office Trump approved that same request, then also requested 17 billion for the European Deterrence Initiative in his first 2 years, compared to Obama’s 5 billion in the last 3 years he was in office)”

In response to this:

“You mean Trumper didn’t take him seriously.”

^ That comment, was in response to this:

“The truth is no one is in the western world wants a war with Russia. Putin has built a huge arsenal of weaponry & military high tech over the last 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously until now. As usual history WILL repeat itself over and over again. I truly hope there isn't a WW3 as there is no way back once it starts.”


*specifically in response to the 15 years and no one has taken his madness seriously. The person responded trying to dismiss the 15 years with Trumper.

(Also notice those are actual quotes not imaginary quotes @Fogdog imagined)

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First to address the propaganda about Obama:https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-ukraine-military-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check/index.html
For real though , I get you are getting trolled in a different conversation, and you might have slipped up, but you flat out said this:



And it is utter bullshit. Do you really need a refresher on all the times Trump sided with Putin, and did shit to undermine Ukraine (even if he was later forced to stop because he was literally breaking the laws that were written in our nation and actually give what was demanded by the congress?

You really don't have to continue to double down on the ridiculous shit you say sometimes when you are getting trolled man. If sucking it up and admitting you were wrong is too hard, you can always just slink away like you normally do when I call you out on this kind of shit.

And again I did say that Obama got it wrong about Russia, and Romney was right in 2012. But pretending like somehow Trump was better for Ukraine is just insulting. For real, I can't think of a better word to describe how stupid you have to pretend like we are to buy that bullshit. Insulting.

The only good thing that Trump did for Ukraine was fully outing the scam that Putin was conducting on the democracies of the world.

nuskool89 said:

right on a queue. Yawn

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Huh?

Tiflis said:

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welcome to the politics forum, Tiflis.

If you want to defend what you said, feel free.

The reference to 19th century is that was the time when real men used real guns to project real power. It's different today. 21st century politics -- states compete economically, through technology and through information, not by invasions and killing. Putin does it the old way. I could be wrong but I think he's stepped in it. I do not know why he did it but most of the world is aligned against him. His economy wasn't doing well before the invasion and now the decline will accelerate. Not only that but he has hundreds of billions in dirty money cached in Western investments and banks. That is all now at risk. He will be defeated without the US firing a shot.

Some are saying he's not going to back down and will use nukes if his invasion isn't going well. Like within a week. It will be spectacular and we'll see how the world changes after that. primitive and brutal, that's Putin. Adding nukes would be 19th century politics with a 20th century update.

Fogdog said:

welcome to the politics forum, Tiflis.

If you want to defend what you said, feel free.

The reference to 19th century is that was the time when real men used real guns to project real power. It's different today. 21st century politics -- states compete economically, through technology and through information, not by invasions and killing. Putin does it the old way. I could be wrong but I think he's stepped in it. I do not know why he did it but most of the world is aligned against him. His economy wasn't doing well before the invasion and now the decline will accelerate. Not only that but he has hundreds of billions in dirty money cached in Western investments and banks. That is all now at risk. He will be defeated without the US firing a shot.

Some are saying he's not going to back down and will use nukes if his invasion isn't going well. Like within a week. It will be spectacular and we'll see how the world changes after that. primitive and brutal, that's Putin. Adding nukes would be 19th century politics with a 20th century update.

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Putin is paranoid and psychotic, he’s totally blown it by exposing his psychopathy for all to see. An exposed psychopath is more dangerous, so he will now do the strong man half stripped on horse back small guy thing and start pressing red buttons, (when he decides there has been any “interference” from foreign agencies in Ukraine).
Germany and U.K. would be the first targets. Imo