Wyeast Farms Genetics

higher self said:
When I saw it go from 10 packs to 5 I put 1 in my cart, then I remembered that discount code & the seed junky in me took over & made the rest of the purchase lol! Didn't think the Dungeon Family was going to go that fast than again only one or two other crosses stood out to me.
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So you got a pack of Dungeon? Cool cool. Maybe we can trade cuttings if we both get a keeper. Forza Sour is Sour Best Shit Ever x Wedding Cake, so I think I'll be happy with the Agua Forza cross.
 
Satch12 said:
Thanks for the responses! I think y’all have convinced me to grab one as long as the price tag isn’t too hefty.
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Ya wyeast is very fair with prices dude, usually $150 for a pack of fems of very high end genetics. Pretty good bargain compared to what some of these other guys are charging. In a year or 2 these wyeast horchata x strains will be resold on strainly for $300-500.
 
Humble_Budlings said:
So, I have never grown or smoked the menthol cut itself. I have grown several of the crosses he offers however. I feel the real value of his males is their transparency. Jet fuel Gelato, horchata, and the menthol are generations of the same line as he continues working it. In a cross with a highly inbred and focused plant, the result is errily consistent with the mother in flavor. I get really low phenotypic variation with his gear, which is a great thing for producers. So he's got a stud that you can cross to basically anything and you'll end up with moms taste, cookie dominant bud structure, and a vigor and veg speed more like the jet fuel.

The exception is when he hits something that's already a soup, not a very focused or inbred clone but a raw first generation poly hybrid. Compound tends to put out more of those (they are using the same males I guess). I grew one where the mom was like, white Tahoe amnesia cake or some shit, and that was the only one that threw a lot of different phenos, some basically just the dad.
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Dude you hit the nail on the head with this comment...if you research you strains and lineage and know what you actually want as a producer than wyeast fucking great to run. I'd even go as far to say wyeast's gear is stable. I had few different phenos with sour secret . I had a successful seed run all plants were keepers, no bullshit, after sampling different phenos I put all dry flower of different phenos together and you could barely tell there were different phenos. Taste and terps leaned towards mom and out of the pack there were 2 phenos that stood out to me
 
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Humble_Budlings said:
Exotic is highly regarded, tends to more cookies inbreeding and fruity flavors. Wyeast hits a lot of old gas cuts with the cookie structure. Archive, same thing more gas available in the cookie crosses. All outstanding breeders.
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How about seed junky?do u think his new crosses are with 500$ a packs?
Can i find same or better keepers in wyeast?
 
I think you can find as good or better, in every single pack with wyeast honest. Seed junky pulled out of the market for a while, and the resale market (mostly ig auctions) went wild with it as supply dried up. He let the prices go as high as they would before meeting resistance at around 700-800 a pack, then jumped back in with offerings at 500 and people willing to pay. To me it's just an examplory marketing scheme. I have grown a few of his as cuts I received, and have some Jealousy clones going right now... So it's not that I pass on seed junky, I'm a fan boy for sure. But i don't think it's a useful expense for home growers... More like for commercial ops trying to get ahead of the curve of clone availability...
 
I got the (11) Later Days from WyEast and (8.) Violet Fog from Compound about to flower out, and also (6) Black Marshmello and (6) Black NitwITZ from Crane City rooting out right now.

So I’ll have all this kinda related shit with Jet Fuel Gelato and The Menthol going pretty soon to compare. Gonna be fun.
 
Humble_Budlings said:
I think you can find as good or better, in every single pack with wyeast honest. Seed junky pulled out of the market for a while, and the resale market (mostly ig auctions) went wild with it as supply dried up. He let the prices go as high as they would before meeting resistance at around 700-800 a pack, then jumped back in with offerings at 500 and people willing to pay. To me it's just an examplory marketing scheme. I have grown a few of his as cuts I received, and have some Jealousy clones going right now... So it's not that I pass on seed junky, I'm a fan boy for sure. But i don't think it's a useful expense for home growers... More like for commercial ops trying to get ahead of the curve of clone availability...
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Where do you new people to the forums come up with this stuff.

For years if you were on the forums, Just Blazin was a normal grower on the forums 2009-2012 era, fast forward a few years later he drops his seedjunky line.

Seed Junkies Packs went for between $80-$120 when He was selling packs Like any normal breeder.

Berner picked him up after he dropped the ball on Candy Rain for seed release, and after he worked with them Cookie Fam his remaining packs went up in value.

Wedding Cake was the strain, that pushed him over the top!

Like anything and scarcity his remaining packs available on the market went up. He was already working with cookie fam and making other strains after candy rain.***

Agreed you might be able to find some as good things. Better is debatable with the new line seedjunky has drop..

"People like rado and compound drop a hybrid line with Jet fuel Gelato in it and some packs orignal reatail $400 plus.
 
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Lightgreen2k said:
Where do you new people to the forums come up with this stuff.

For years if you were on the forums, Just Blazin was a normal grower on the forums 2009-2012 era, fast forward a few years later he drops his seedjunky line.

Seed Junkies Packs went for between $80-$120 when He was selling packs Like any normal breeder.

Berner picked him up after he dropped the ball on Candy Rain for seed release, and after he worked with them Cookie Fam his remaining packs went up in value.

Wedding Cake was the strain, that pushed him over the top!

Like anything and scarcity his remaining packs available on the market went up. He was already working with cookie fam and making other strains after candy rain.***

Agreed you might be able to find some as good things. Better is debatable with the new line seedjunky has drop..

"People like rado and compound drop a hybrid line with Jet fuel Gelato in it and some packs orignal reatail $400 plus.
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I think I'm missing your thesis. So, you're saying it was scarcity that drove prices up, and I said it was scarcity that drove prices up... Is the disagreement over whether it is worth it for home growers? Or what exactly was I "coming up with" lol?

Berner picked him up at peak evaluation from the growing community. In larger ops here in California, cuts of his strains were so thoroughly dispersed you were literally tripping over his clones. The list would be half seed junky. Then Berner stepped in, and the scarcity of seeds kicked in. These clone business guys who had been running seed junky wall to wall for years were still willing to pay exorbitant prices to search out the new cuts. That's just... How the cookie crumbles its not really even an opinion...
 
Humble_Budlings said:
I think I'm missing your thesis. So, you're saying it was scarcity that drove prices up, and I said it was scarcity that drove prices up... Is the disagreement over whether it is worth it for home growers? Or what exactly was I "coming up with" lol?

Berner picked him up at peak evaluation from the growing community. In larger ops here in California, cuts of his strains were so thoroughly dispersed you were literally tripping over his clones. The list would be half seed junky. Then Berner stepped in, and the scarcity of seeds kicked in. These clone business guys who had been running seed junky wall to wall for years were still willing to pay exorbitant prices to search out the new cuts. That's just... How the cookie crumbles its not really even an opinion...
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We are in slight disagreement a couple of things .

If I have left a particular market at the time [seed making] and working with another person [Bener415] I didn't drive prices up intentionally, things happens that way, much like how Thugpugs gear went up in value when he left the market.

"To me it's just an examplory marketing scheme"

You said the above, but what is the scheme exactly if my genetics have gone up in value? People don't force anyone to purchase his gear?

2) Bener again picked him up after they dropped the ball on candy rain and needed a breeder that had good stance in the community seedjunky!

Again Just Blazin / Seedjunky Jb was a good grower on such forums as ThcFarmer,, and the CannaCollective..

Lastly the seedbanks and auction sites set the prices because people that like to jump waves where left out? If people believe they will have a better product with a Cookie Fam affiliate good for them.

Now with this "homegrower/ Commercial growers " the is the problem now. People have always been willing to pay big money for cuts and seeds, just people coming into the industry don't see the value.. [2018 + ]

So the real question is why weren't people around or purchasing the seeds when it was cheap and not a fad to have seedjunky? You snooze you loose in life, and get in where you fit in...
 
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I guess my word choice is the problem here. I didn't mean to imply that he did something dishonest when I used the phrase "marketing scheme." I'm sure that the discussion over whether his role can be described as active or passive in so far as his production decisions effect the aftermarket price of his seeds... is going to hinge entirely on information that we have none of.

I really wasn't trying to say "it's his fault they cost so much" and more towards "great play, good hustle." However, now that we are here, yes it is his fault they cost so much lol. It is very literally his call. It is nobody else's call.

But is there anything wrong with charging $500 a pack? No there is not. It is still a completely negligible expense within the context of a fully scaled OP, and I hope they shell out like Mr Rodgers at a church fundraiser bake sale. But for a home grower, who will turn this $500 pack into 1.5 lbs in a closet, it's getting seriously debatable. At that point, it depends on individual disposable income. Of which a lot of people have close to none.
 
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