Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

Fogdog

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xtsho said:
I didn't hear about the shooting until late last night talking to a friend on the phone. These are so common that I really didn't even give it any thought. I just asked how many were killed and said Oh. And I know I'm not the only one with that reaction. These are becoming so common that it's more shocking when a day goes by that you don't hear about one than when you do.

Does anyone know what Well Regulated Militia this killer was part of?
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Well regulated means they are a good shot and know how to take care of their weapons. At least that's what it meant when the constitution was written, so some people say. We should always be constrained by what rich white men of the 18th century meant. At least that's what constitutionalist conservatives say.

Means something different to me. And I thing the constitution was purposely written vaguely so that it can be interpreted differently as times change. If people are unwilling to find ways to prevent what happened in Texas yesterday, this society, parts of it, have become strange to me.
 
Fogdog

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nuskool89 said:
what you say about me requires zero correction on my end. Our disagreements align exactly with who I am. I enjoy our talks and embrace your opinion of me. I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve proven that’s impossible and you’re set in your ways

Perception is reality, my perception of you makes me feel sorry for you if anything….
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Snowflake can't handle valid criticism.

Since you are determined to maintain the status quo, even after what happened yesterday, the problem and solution lies with you. You should take a good hard look at what you've become.
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Well regulated means they are a good shot and know how to take care of their weapons. At least that's what it meant when the constitution was written, so some people say. We should always be constrained by what rich white men of the 18th century meant. At least that's what constitutionalist conservatives say.

Means something different to me. And I thing the constitution was purposely written vaguely so that it can be interpreted differently as times change. If people are unwilling to find ways to prevent what happened in Texas yesterday, this society, parts of it, have become strange to me.
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And “militia” was every eligible male between 18 and 45. That word has also undergone tectonics and has moved. Now it means an organized paramilitary group. Like the privateers we sent into Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
nuskool89

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Fogdog said:
Snowflake can't handle valid criticism.

Since you are determined to maintain the status quo, even after what happened yesterday, the problem and solution lies with you. You should take a good hard look at what you've become.
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yawn. Keep projecting and maybe someday you’ll hear yourself.

Unlike you I actually believe in individual responsibility, as I view people as individuals.

Your group think and hive mentality is the
antithesis of individual responsibility.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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nuskool89 said:
yawn. Keep projecting and maybe someday you’ll hear yourself.

Unlike you I actually believe in individual responsibility, as I view people as individuals.

Your group think and hive mentality is the
antithesis of individual responsibility.
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Does this mean that a massacrist is simpky a failure of personal responsibility? How then to preempt the mass shooting phenomenon? Suggest something workable and not libertarian. Libertarian impulses lead directly to far worse groupthink, as MAGA has conclusively shown.
 
BudmanTX

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oh this is starting to get good.......

Beto O'Rourke interrupts Texas governor's news conference

hehe
 
nuskool89

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cannabineer said:
Does this mean that a massacrist is simpky a failure of personal responsibility? How then to preempt the mass shooting phenomenon? Suggest something workable and not libertarian. Libertarian impulses lead directly to far worse groupthink, as MAGA has conclusively shown.
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My suggestion started with spending money on making schools secure zones and employing people to guard them. There are several other things that could be done to curb this, but they would require judges and prosecutors to actually step up.

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nuskool89

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cannabineer said:
Look how easily such measures are spoofed. I did ask for practical or better, practicable.
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If it’s practical to send 54 billion dollars in taxpayer money to a foreign country for the sake of it’s defense, it is highly practical to spend whatever it costs to retrofit every school in America with safety measures and employ guards where possible.

It is exponentially more practical to pursue ideas like mine, than to ban semi automatic rifles in the US, if the intention is to actually mitigate school shootings. Banning certain rifles is a bandaid approach and further action which is even LESS practical (attempting to ban firearms altogether) would have to follow.

I’m for realistic fixes, not emotional responses with good intentions that can’t actually happen

edit: and when I say it can’t actually happen, it’s not like I wish it couldn’t happen. If guns didn’t exist my what a world it may be. It just won’t happen, so I am moving on to things that can actually be implemented.

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PJ Diaz

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nuskool89 said:
If it’s practical to send 54 billion dollars in taxpayer money to a foreign country for the sake of it’s defense, it is highly practical to spend whatever it costs to retrofit every school in America with safety measures and employ guards where possible.

It is exponentially more practical to pursue ideas like mine, than to ban semi automatic rifles in the US, if the intention is to actually mitigate school shootings. Banning certain rifles is a bandaid approach and further action which is even LESS practical (attempting to ban firearms altogether) would have to follow.

I’m for realistic fixes, not emotional responses with good intentions that can’t actually happen

edit: and when I say it can’t actually happen, it’s not like I wish it couldn’t happen. If guns didn’t exist my what a world it may be. It just won’t happen, so I am moving on to things that can actually be implemented.

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Your idea has been researched, and it doesn't work:

jamanetwork.com

Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings

This cross-sectional study examines whether there is an association between having an armed guard at school and the prevalence of deaths and injuries during school shootings and attempted shootings.
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nuskool89

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PJ Diaz said:
Your idea has been researched, and it doesn't work:

jamanetwork.com

Armed School Officials and Fatal and Nonfatal Gunshot Injuries During Mass School Shootings

This cross-sectional study examines whether there is an association between having an armed guard at school and the prevalence of deaths and injuries during school shootings and attempted shootings.
jamanetwork.com jamanetwork.com
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thats not accounting for additional dual zone security doors and other measures at strictly controlling entry and exit points with more than just armed guards. My idea (not really my idea more ideas I agree with) wasn’t simply more guards it’s a multifaceted approach that’s necessary
 
PJ Diaz

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nuskool89 said:
thats not accounting for additional dual zone security doors and other measures at strictly controlling entry and exit points with more than just armed guards. My idea (not really my idea more ideas I agree with) wasn’t simply more guards it’s a multifaceted approach that’s necessary
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You could have guards without guns, and possibly achieve the same effect. Tasers and such.
 
Fogdog

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nuskool89 said:
My suggestion started with spending money on making schools secure zones and employing people to guard them. There are several other things that could be done to curb this, but they would require judges and prosecutors to actually step up.

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Eventually the majority will tire of the carnage and you'll lose your gun.

Gun owners still have a chance to take action to stop the ever increasing rate of gun homicides, but if gun owners won't step up to stop this, the majority who don't own them will.

You'll complain, of course. But if you don't care about people's lives then I don't care about your gun rights.
 
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