Your thoughts on Ram Dass and WHY LSD is illegal

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LSD is illegal becuase it enlightens people in a way which they can`t cope. It gives them thoughts which they don`t want to think, it breaks their illusion of life etc... Joe Rogan would explain this much better than me if you looked him up on youtube.

In my opinion; A drug must deserve to be a class A, some dont. Speed, Cocaine, Heroin all deserve it as they are counter productive, cause crime and simply too easy to take and chill out. In a logical world LSD would NEVER deserve to be in the same class as these sorts of things. Fucking hellfire, can you see the comparison our government is making on this?? A comparison between highly addictive, counter productive life wasting substances to things like LSD&DMT which have changed my personality and inspired never stopping creative thinking and self awareness. Compared to that, a dose of some heroin or meth would of just made me feel good and good only.

This is so obviously wrong, i have taken psychedelics many times and havent for almost a year now. In my opinion, cannabis and alcohol have a higher rate of abuse than LSD. I`m sure if i did hard drugs as much as psychedelics i would be taking them quite often now. (I have never done and never will).

Bottomline: Taking some acid this weekend ^_^

I love what you are saying as I feel your conviction .... But taking into consideration other factors .... (psychological impact of the true power of this compound) .... it is easy to see that in the Wrong/Right hands .... it could be used to disrupt a function .... of a 'given system' ..... and that is this true power of the compound ... and the effect on the masses .... and why it is illicit.

A modeled system .... and it's functions ... must be protected at all costs ..... LSD voids the purpose of such systems.
Systems are designed to be controlled .... for good or bad ....

LSD leads the subject on a path to INTERCONNECTIVITY ... which in the end ... flowers into 'RELIGION' ..... which in itself
is ... dangerous .... as such .... in most cases
It is followed first .... and understood .... second.

This is LSD in the 'weird hands'

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Aum Shinrikyo ...

The religion's practices remained shrouded in secrecy. Initiation rituals often involved the use of hallucinogens, such as LSD. Religious practices often involved extreme ascetic practices referred to as "yoga". These included everything from renunciants being hung upside down to being given shock therapy.[7]
With ambitious young graduates from Japan's top universities, Aum's 'department' system also changed its name. Thus the 'medical department' became the 'ministry of health', the 'scientific group' became the 'ministry of science' and people with martial-arts or military backgrounds were organized into a 'ministry of intelligence.' Female followers involved in the care of children were assigned to the 'ministry of education' accordingly.

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the simple reason, drugs are illegal,is because, people are assholes.

(though being a moron also comes into play)

well when i first started taking lsd i really was immature at the time and did alot of stupid shit. like driving on it. walking down major highways unable to tell where the road really was. i think its illegal because if it was easy to get ahold of, it could propose a danger to the user as more people who dont have experience with drugs would be more exposed to it. its not hard to get for me and ive never had any sort of trouble with the law surrounding it. most people i know that get it are not big time dealers, there the college kids whos asking you how much they can get a zip for. therefore i am unaffected by the legality of this substance.

While I agree some people are not responsible while they use drugs, and they should be controlled in a fashion, I don't think complete prohibition of anything will ever work because statistically you will be locking up some innocent and functional people. Did anyone ever notice how drugs went from completely unregulated, to a complete lockout?

I would think a local pharmacy situation would be ideal for both the community and the users. Controlled dosage, respectable purity, lower prices, free from black market, money goes back to the community, job creation, and with the technology we possess it could be a biometric recognition system with monthly maximums or something.

The only problem with drugs is the people who use them.

Peace

Puffer Fish said:

I love what you are saying as I feel your conviction .... But taking into consideration other factors .... (psychological impact of the true power of this compound) .... it is easy to see that in the Wrong/Right hands .... it could be used to disrupt a function .... of a 'given system' ..... and that is this true power of the compound ... and the effect on the masses .... and why it is illicit.

A modeled system .... and it's functions ... must be protected at all costs ..... LSD voids the purpose of such systems.
Systems are designed to be controlled .... for good or bad ....

LSD leads the subject on a path to INTERCONNECTIVITY ... which in the end ... flowers into 'RELIGION' ..... which in itself
is ... dangerous .... as such .... in most cases
It is followed first .... and understood .... second.

This is LSD in the 'weird hands'



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Aum Shinrikyo ...

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Okay fine, you have a point. But that point can be applied to many other situations. So I`m not allowed LSD but some people are in control of armies and atomic bombs, i ask you, are they any better than me?

Wheather I would have to see a psychologist before I`m allowed to drop some acid or wheather I have to sign a contract, I dont give a fuck, you cant just take the right of taking acid off me just because there is some potential religgeous nut / stupid jerk around. Which is why im buying this substance on the black market.

Psychedelics arent necessary, they arent something of which the human ego desires which is why they are illegal. But i will always object to this as this substance is being held from me to protect me against my own mentality, supposedly.

I mean you know, why dont i just get a gun and shoot things instead, thats way cooler.... Plus you can propably own a gun with an ID but i guess you can waste your life trying to legally posess acid...

What everyone says applies to everything which posesses power, lets not take out the worst of this on LSD.

Feel free to compare the damages alcohol and gambling have done to those which LSD or in fact, all the psychedelics in general have done

Edit: I would like to say that the government doesnt give a shit about this problem, they are generally more worried about their economy.

I think governments are most afraid of psychedelics. Governments require citizens that submit to control without question. Psychedelics are too effective at causing thinking and questioning which grow into actions. Widespread use would disrupt most consumer ideologies that drive our country and the economy.

Fuck really why is any drug illegal? The thought that some can tell you what you can and cant put in your own body is absurd... Especially when thing's like Mc. Donald's is perfectly legal. As they say, its not what's logical, it's what's profitable. In reality im sure the government makes way more money of drug's being illegal then they would if they were legal.

well the us population is around 300,000,000 as of july 2009. you think what it being illegal compared to taxing people should be. if you go by my prev 1000 a year per person, thats paying off our fucking national debt.

well scratch that app our debt is up to 14 trillion. check this out http://www.usdebtclock.org/

hughesresearch said:

well the us population is around 300,000,000 as of july 2009. you think what it being illegal compared to taxing people should be. if you go by my prev 1000 a year per person, thats paying off our fucking national debt.

well scratch that app our debt is up to 14 trillion. check this out http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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Yeah but there is no way that even close to 300,000,000 would eat drug's, if anything there would probably be less people that ate drug's. As has been proven, prohibition only makes the desire to use certain compounds more prevalent.



But yeah as far as the debt goes, we arnt ever paying that back, its set up to be that way. The thing that's fucked up, is when you really start to look into the national debt and the federal reserve you find that shit is fucked up and way corrupt.

Psychedelics have the possibility to bring up severe mental illnesses in some people. Some people can just not properly deal the new found "dimension" of reality or thought process they were exposed to. Leading to possible mental and physical actions that mainstream society deems "insane". A possible example I found was the Tuscon, Arizona shooter (Jared Lougher) it is already known that he was a recreational marijuana smoker. An if you look at his information on his Youtube page he mentions one of his favorite books is "Through the Looking Glass" I'm assuming off those two bits of information he has or was experimenting in some kind of psychedelic drug use. In his filmed Youtube video he talks about taking Sociology at the community college he attended and in his other videos he describes how control and power is gained from the creation of monetary value and if you are the creator than you hold the power. All of his videos expressed this idea, it is a sort of "big picture" perspective one can possible achieve from using psychedelic drugs, though this information itself can easily be learned in a high school sociology class. I'm not saying psychedelic drugs caused this man to go out and kill 5 innocent people but I believe the "truth" one gains from learning about their own environment and inner self is dangerous in irrational hands. Certain psychedelics such as psilocybin should in my opinion should be rescheduled into schedule II in the US and should only be administered by a psychiatrist after correct mental evaluation is done on the patient and used in a clinical yet comfortable setting.

EDIT: It is also easily noticeable in his filmed video of his college campus that he believed he had the true revelations of the world figured out and everyone else were just morons following the standards imposed onto them by a preset structural government and society they were born into. Intelligent people will eventually learn of this information in life but he took at upon himself to try and "change" the world, he exhibited a psychological phase which many teenagers/young adults go through, the "messiah complex". An he chose to exert it in the complete wrong way. As puffer said these are strong drugs that not every mind can handle... I even doubt if I can handle them myself occasionally

Cliched Summary: Knowledge is power, with great power comes great responsibility.
(These drugs are a short cut to inner enlightenment and revelation.You can't really compare them to current US/Canada/UK recreational approved drugs)

I couldn`t beleive the guru took 5 pills of LSD and just chilled, that bit was mental!!

I had a moment when I picked up Ram Dass 'Be Here Now'. The format was unusual for the day and really planted a seed. It was quite fascinating to look at and felt to work on many levels. You gotta admire someone who creates their life actively, with intentional desire.

As for LSD being illegal, I for one am glad that it is. There is so many DUI's now, do you want someone in control of heavy machinery tripping or babysitting your kid?

As for the enlightened state of consciousness that LSD has the potential to invoke, I am glad I exist in a time where it exists and that I can choose to use it or not.

Rose I share your sentiments and enjoyed your reply on many levels.
Thank you for stopping by and contributing.

rosecitypapa said:

I had a moment when I picked up Ram Dass 'Be Here Now'. The format was unusual for the day and really planted a seed. It was quite fascinating to look at and felt to work on many levels. You gotta admire someone who creates their life actively, with intentional desire.

As for LSD being illegal, I for one am glad that it is. There is so many DUI's now, do you want someone in control of heavy machinery tripping or babysitting your kid?

As for the enlightened state of consciousness that LSD has the potential to invoke, I am glad I exist in a time where it exists and that I can choose to use it or not.

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Do you want someone drinking alcohol and operating heavy machinery or babysitting your kid?

How come when both of these things will effect say, the operation of heavy machinery why is alcohol legal and LSD illegal. I`m sorry to compare these 2 in the same manner

But someone who will take LSD while operating heavy machinery is quite fucked up anyway, same goes for alcohol. However the person who chooses alcohol as their preferance can just buy it...

Plus while taking LSD the guilt of putting peoples lifes in danger would fuck my trip over, i could never do such a thing. The thoughts LSD invokes in my head are friendly, unharmful and creative... If i had a fight with someone in the past i would literally phone them up after the trip and make ends meet.

However most of the people in the world are fucked up with guilt, greed and revenge which is to be blamed on human nature and the society we created. With or without LSD things in the world are still pretty fucked up...

Why isnt there a nice forest to go around with an experienced guide with no dangerous animals, kinda like a national park for trippers? Or dosing under the supervision of a psychaitrist?

Why does nobody give a shit to perfect the way LSD is taken to reduce dangers, just like we put crash barriers around the road? Plus massive fines and prison sentences can be given for people taking LSD irresponsibly. But nobody seems to give a shit, it remains under the thumb of the law where nobody can give a shit about it, its what young and stupid people do and a great risk in lots of peoples opinion.

Why cant you book an LSD approval appointment, take it 3 times under supervision and get a certificate to prove you didnt mentally lose control? Once this has been done the fines issued to someone caught making, taking or selling LSD can rise too. Think about the matter being half as serious as getting a gun even?

The real worry here is what it will do to the ridiculous headonistic and consumer society we have created. The rich bastards and authorities dont give a shit anyway, they are way more interested in the benefits society can bring to them, not societys psychedelic trip luxurys and mental states of awareness... For someone who is eager for power and money, LSD isnt their icing on the cake...

I mean were the amazonian tribes killing their fellow tribesman while tripping on ayahuasca?

I really hope they make alcohol illegal in 5 years fucking time and that idea originates from the fact im so angry at alcohol being legal and the fact it causes so much trouble. And escape-ism for a lot of people who cant handle things.

Lets see things for what they really are. I mean can you imagine the queen of england or barack obama tripping on LSD? I dont think they would like that...

Edit: Oh, and on my saturday LSD trip in the park there were around 200 people and i could see a very beutiful world around me and held it all in, didnt look around at the beutiful plant life around me much and especially didnt touch it, didnt appear suspicious (cannabis spliff in pocked too) and just passed through smiling with big pupils. I wouldnt give 2 shits if i was drunk and could literally walk around falling over...

most people arent evolved enough for lsd and other things.
animals tend to run from or attack things they are scared off.
simple as that.

when you complain about the halfmonkeys controlling things, you should instead be thanking for having a more evolved brain.

sso said:

most people arent evolved enough for lsd and other things.
animals tend to run from or attack things they are scared off.
simple as that.

when you complain about the halfmonkeys controlling things, you should instead be thanking for having a more evolved brain.

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Well i am thankfull but what does that change?

Tenner said:

Well i am thankfull but what does that change?

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Everything.

Because it will change how I feel.

In any moment in time, the conversation I have with myself or the words coming out of my mouth make me feel a certain way. It also works the other way, in any moment in time I can change how I feel by the conversation I choose to have with myself or choose differently the words coming out of my mouth.

If I complain in the face of circumstances that justify my complaints, there is no power.
If I am grateful in the face of circumstances that justify my gratefulness, there is some power.
If I am grateful in the face of circumstances that are contrary to my gratefulness, there is great power. For in this instance, my gratefulness will eventually change my circumstances, just by simply choosing my thoughts.

That makes perfect sense Rose.

And hence forth we evolve, become, unfold !