the aca is a sad sad joke
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Care to elaborate on how it is exactly that anyone is being screwed?
Not that I don't believe you, just tell me how.
Canna Sylvan
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Liberal buyer's remorse. God bless marijuana or I wouldn't get threads that make me cry like this. Sniff.
UncleBuck
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just checking my facebook, the stories i'm seeing are mixed.
half of the IRL stories i'm seeing are improved rates or newfound access to insurance, and the other half are "YOU'RE WELCOME BECAUSE I'M PAYING FOR IT!!!!!" from seniors on medicare.
the vast majority of my friends though have nothing to say, because their health insurance went on like normal. a couple of them even got rebates last year due to the part of the law dealing with administrative costs (ours are the highest in the wealthy world).
that's my report on things.*
half of the IRL stories i'm seeing are improved rates or newfound access to insurance, and the other half are "YOU'RE WELCOME BECAUSE I'M PAYING FOR IT!!!!!" from seniors on medicare.
the vast majority of my friends though have nothing to say, because their health insurance went on like normal. a couple of them even got rebates last year due to the part of the law dealing with administrative costs (ours are the highest in the wealthy world).
that's my report on things.*
I have to say, about the actual law, I'm on the fence.
I detest how it was passed. But that's over now. It's a valid law, upheld by the courts. I don't think republicans will ever have the numbers to overturn it. It's here to stay.
It can be fucked with. I could potentially see the "need" for bailouts to the insurance companies.
As I understand it, a great many of those signing up are the folks that need insurance.
The plan is based on young/healthy buying in so the old/sick can have coverage. Ok. Are the young healthy ones signing up and paying in large enough numbers to make this thing float?
That remains to be seen.
The countermeasure for this is a "fine" that will be collected through not issuing a tax refund. Does this do anything to help fund the insurance companies? I don't see how unless somehow this money is going to the insurance company.
I guess my doubts are that it is one of those things that work out on paper. Is that where the functionality ends?
UncleBuck
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handing health care over to the private market is perfect because the private market can never do any wrong, unlike government which can only ever do wrong.
also, all the nations that pay less than we do while taking care of all use the private market exclusively so we are probably on the right track.
It isn't that the private market can do no wrong, it's just that when it does, competition usually spawns a "more perfect" solution.
Governement tends to outlaw competition.
Fed-ex works better than the post office.
Here, we have local utilities that get all their electricity from TVA. In other areas private companies supply electricity. They are usually cheaper, and we have lots of brown outs.
All in all though, TVA has had a very positive impact, but when they fuck up, your fucked.
Governement tends to outlaw competition.
Fed-ex works better than the post office.
Here, we have local utilities that get all their electricity from TVA. In other areas private companies supply electricity. They are usually cheaper, and we have lots of brown outs.
All in all though, TVA has had a very positive impact, but when they fuck up, your fucked.
NorthofEngland
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The UK has its fair share of problems but one thing that is amazing is the NTIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.
If you find out you have a tumour, you don't have to worry about finding the price of a house to pay for medical expenses.
You can forget all that and concentrate on your health - of course having to take time off work and what not impacts on your finances
BUT not like finding tens of thousands of dollars to pay out.
If you find out you have a tumour, you don't have to worry about finding the price of a house to pay for medical expenses.
You can forget all that and concentrate on your health - of course having to take time off work and what not impacts on your finances
BUT not like finding tens of thousands of dollars to pay out.
UncleBuck
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then why hasn't it yet?
and why do all the other nations that do it for less with better results and universal coverage use more government in health care?
unless you live 60+ miles from the nearest fed ex. the post office has to set up ion every shitshatapoopton, wyoming and ifuckedmysisterville, tennessee whether it is profitable or not.
why do you hate the constitution?
How do we define better? By reaching more people, or by the best care for those that can get it?
Fed ex/ USPS is a good analogue for this.
Fed ex is more expensive, and it doesn't get to as many people.
But if I had a package that HAD to be somewhere far away tomorrow, fed ex is much more reliable.
If I had a rare disease, and the money to treat it, I would rather be in the American health care system as it has been.
If I got strep throat, the Cuban system will do.
The wealthy from across the planet came/come here to get treatment. Not Canada, not the uk. But here.
Buck, I have, through my misfortune, had the experience in life to live in the upper echelon of incomes, and like the poorest. Life is easier when you and your spouse make almost 200k. No doubt. Life is hard when your an addict and don't eat for 3 days because all your money goes to drugs. Then you get clean, and your still broke.
But, it's fairly easy to reach success in our country. Sure, some people are dumb or have something wrong with them. I know plenty of people who do well that grew up poor. It can be done - a comfortable life. I'm not talking filthy rich, but comfortable.
Upward mobility is something we have. More liberal societies have less of it. The bottom is higher up, but most people ther live lower than most people here.
why???????????
let's remind our dear seniors that.."they didn't build it"..we did..with our contributions..and now i'm in a position where i can leverage a subsidy?..why the fuck wouldn't i?
and all we need to do is raise the minimum wage which will give those at the bottom a chance to earn a living wage..
NorthofEngland
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But the standards of relative wealth are changing.
it's starting to be much harder for average Joe worker to earn a living wage, whilst a company director earns 100 times more.
America will experience great transformation over the next generation.
Just being English speaking and white ensured certain perks - now it's changed and even this group are experiencing poverty.
Some things are too important to leave to the markets and random chance.
NLXSK1
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Universal healthcare is a noble goal but the pile of legislative crap delivered to us does nothing that was promised.
Except maybe have 26 year olds on their parents plan and that was popular enough to be picked up by the insurance companies voluntarily.
ChesusRice
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Picked up voluntarily. Lol. You are a joke
NLXSK1
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Why wouldnt private insurance pick up an option that people pay for that is popular??
It seems weird that you would think of that as a joke.
Young people are typically healthy so the addition to the premium is minimal.
what about pre-existings?..30 days no coverage and you all of the sudden have pre-existings? this was one of the biggest scams in the industry to overcharge the insured.
where's winter whiner?
ChesusRice
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I'm sure she is somewhere trying to eat her problems away