the aca is a sad sad joke

NLXSK1

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what about pre-existings?..30 days no coverage and you all of the sudden have pre-existings? this was one of the biggest scams in the industry to overcharge the insured.
Once insurers had to cover pre-existing conditions they were no longer insurance companies...

You cannot buy insurance for your car once you crash it. You cannot buy fire insurance once your house burns down.

It is now a welfare program for sick people with the taxpayer picking up the tab at the end of the day.
 

schuylaar

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Once insurers had to cover pre-existing conditions they were no longer insurance companies...

You cannot buy insurance for your car once you crash it. You cannot buy fire insurance once your house burns down.

It is now a welfare program for sick people with the taxpayer picking up the tab at the end of the day.
a human being is not a car.

i had 30 days no coverage (not of my doing) and they wanted to charge exorbitant premium..bullshit!..all of the sudden i have "pre-existing" conditions within that 30 days?..i don't think so..these companies rob us blind..trust me i came from the industry.
 

NLXSK1

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a human being is not a car.

i had 30 days no coverage (not of my doing) and they wanted to charge exorbitant premium..bullshit!..all of the sudden i have "pre-existing" conditions within that 30 days?..i don't think so..these companies rob us blind..trust me i came from the industry.
So now someone else pays for your medical conditions and you are happy... We get it...
 

Winter Woman

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let's remind our dear seniors that.."they didn't build it"..we did..with our contributions..and now i'm in a position where i can leverage a subsidy?..why the fuck wouldn't i?
We did pay for it all our working lives. Your subsidy is based on fraud.
 

schuylaar

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We did pay for it all our working lives. Your subsidy is based on fraud.
perhaps you're not listening or do not care to..i reported my income correctly on the ACA application and applied whatever subsidy i was entitled to which was $397..fair and square!

and i've too have been working all my life since age 15 and have paid into everything..you wanna lay blame?..let's talk about the financial meltdown 2007-08.
 

canndo

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as most of you know, my wife and I carry and have carried individual, private plans - we have done so for about 6 years. We do the "guarantee dodge". Anthem guarantees no rate increases for 6 months, Cigna does the same, for a year, so we shift back and forth - it saved us quite a bit over the years. The "doctor" underwirters are asholes so we have to go through that gauntlet every 6 months or year but fine and now we know what we are doing. Regardless, our combined premiums have reached about 800 a month. I perused the exchange and found that I could get the combined bill down to three hundred dollars. Sure, the deductable was larger, sure the out of pocket was higher but I could pocket the difference for a while and defray those deductables with what I saved in premiums.

So far so good, but I got into the details this week. I started the new plans in motion just in case, because I knew that increases were coming. My wife got a letter dated the 16th saying that she would get a 20 percent increase on the 1st. Only we got the letter on the 1st. Within the body of the letter was a statement saying that we should take advantage of their new policy before the 15th - mind you the body of that letter was dated the 16th.

Now there are three little known provisions of the ACA.

They tax insurance companies and self insured companies.


Fees Included : • ACA Insurer Fee$13.07 • Reinsurance Fee$9.49 • Exchange Fees$14.96


Looks kinda like a telephone bill doesn't it? These "fees" are federaly mandated and are based on the size and customer base of the insurance company. the feds explicitly stated that the fees were to come from the coffers of the company itself (given that the consumer has no control over the size of the company he or she opts to engage for services) BUT!!! there is nothing in the law that prevents those companies from passing those "fees" on to their customers, which is exactly what they did. Along with that, they instruct those customers that those fees are federaly mandated (blaming the ACA for the increase). Now I could not even get an answer as to what an reinsurance fee was, nor could I get an answer as to why these fees were on going, month to month. Furthermore. I am shopping outside of the exchange, so why should i pay an exchange fee? Hmmm? but that is just the way it is.

and, by the way, those fees are not reflected in the comparisons of premiums. Should I select a 500 dollar plan i will be billed not only the 500 but the fees, AFTER the fact, I will not be informed of the extra until my bill comes due.

Now, let's talk about network coverage. I spoke to cigna and anthem. both assured me that the exchange plan and the individual plan were IDENTICAL in every way save the name of the plan and the elegibility for subsidy (both claimed wrongly that the subsidy was sent to the consumer rather than being remitted directly to the insurer - so they couldn't be sure they would get their money - now THAT was a joke - poor poor insurance companies). IDENTICAL. Indentical in covererage, premium, out of pocket, maximums, AND.... AND network. But that isn't what my provider tells me. "no, we will not take ACA plans from anthem or cigna, only healthnet. I spoke to their broker and he was clueless except to repeat what I was already told.







Notice that you are asked for your zip code when you apply or shop. I asked why, they said it was because different zips had different networks. "my network hasn't changed, my address hasn't changed, why do you need that? "it has a bearing on the price you will pay". "why? isn't that redlining"? "I do not know sir, and I do not know what redlining is". It turns out that your location has a bearing. the more people in your zip who get cheaper policies, the more they bump your premium - redlining.

Now Anthem projects it's policies AS THOUGH you were purchasing them from the exchange. They offer plans and premiums that look identical to Exchange policies including estimated subsidies. How nice! I can simply go here and skip the exchange and all its glitches. except that if I do so, it says in the very fine print on another page, I will forgo the subsidy, and pay the tidy sum of $1120 a month.


Oh there is more. Any misspelling of the url for either the exchange or the state exchange sends you to a scam site.
 

canndo

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Once insurers had to cover pre-existing conditions they were no longer insurance companies...

You cannot buy insurance for your car once you crash it. You cannot buy fire insurance once your house burns down.

It is now a welfare program for sick people with the taxpayer picking up the tab at the end of the day.

Bullshit when pre-existing conditions include high blood pressure and cholesterol. Each of which can be treated for twelve cents a day. Figure premiums are 400, that's a lot of profit - and those are the most common pre-existing conditions.
 

BigNBushy

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a human being is not a car.

i had 30 days no coverage (not of my doing) and they wanted to charge exorbitant premium..bullshit!..all of the sudden i have "pre-existing" conditions within that 30 days?..i don't think so..these companies rob us blind..trust me i came from the industry.
A human may not be a car, but insurance is insurance.

And NLX is right, though we may call them insurance companies, this act has made them something else all together. I'm not saying better or worse, but it isn't insurance.

What I disagree with is this. You have insurance, you develop diabetes, your premium goes from 200 to 1300, or you are dropped all together.

So in that instance, insurance companies were not being insurance companies either, because they would not accept the loss.

I say fuck them. They have been fucking my family for decades. My diabetic father and that 1300+ dollar a month insurance, that didn't pay for shit.
 

BigNBushy

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the guy who says gays are flawed is preaching tolerance now, folks.
I have a dog with a major over-bite. A little weiner dog, cute as a button. Poor fucker can barely eat. It is a Flaw, and I still love him.

Point, recognition of a flaw does not intolerance make.

If I killed my dog because he had an overbite, that would be intolerance.
 

UncleBuck

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I have a dog with a major over-bite. A little weiner dog, cute as a button. Poor fucker can barely eat. It is a Flaw, and I still love him.

Point, recognition of a flaw does not intolerance make.

If I killed my dog because he had an overbite, that would be intolerance.
what is the lesson to be learned here?

two women bringing each other to beautiful orgasm is equivalent to a dog who can barely eat?

you're tolerant because you refuse to holocaust the gays?

i'm not sure what you're trying to say, but you are surely fucked in the head. seek help.
 

schuylaar

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A human may not be a car, but insurance is insurance.

And NLX is right, though we may call them insurance companies, this act has made them something else all together. I'm not saying better or worse, but it isn't insurance.

What I disagree with is this. You have insurance, you develop diabetes, your premium goes from 200 to 1300, or you are dropped all together.

So in that instance, insurance companies were not being insurance companies either, because they would not accept the loss.

I say fuck them. They have been fucking my family for decades. My diabetic father and that 1300+ dollar a month insurance, that didn't pay for shit.
but that has changed now..an insurance company, by law, must apply 80% of your premium towards your care and if they overcharge, they must refund the difference.

thanks, obama!
 

NLXSK1

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but that has changed now..an insurance company, by law, must apply 80% of your premium towards your care and if they overcharge, they must refund the difference.

thanks, obama!
They can overcharge all they want just as long as 80% goes toward your care...

You have that one backwards. LOL!!!
 

UncleBuck

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They can overcharge all they want just as long as 80% goes toward your care...

You have that one backwards. LOL!!!
and they have to compete on the open market, so what incentive do they have to overcharge?

just try to think one of your thoughts through, you insufferable and unremitting failure.
 

Canna Sylvan

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and they have to compete on the open market, so what incentive do they have to overcharge?

just try to think one of your thoughts through, you insufferable and unremitting failure.
Were you too busy getting high while everyone else was reading The Pearl?
 

NLXSK1

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and they have to compete on the open market, so what incentive do they have to overcharge?

just try to think one of your thoughts through, you insufferable and unremitting failure.
There is no open market you jackass... The government has now decreed that everyone must purchase or have health insurance. This is a closed forced market where all the companies can overcharge because you have no choice but to buy the product.

Why would I take market advice from an out of work pot grower?
 

schuylaar

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Were you too busy getting high while everyone else was reading The Pearl?
oooooooh!..i remember "the pearl" 7th grade english class..i felt sorry for the mom carrying the crusted remains of her dead baby..

i meant to say *spoiler alert* first..woooops!
 
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