Dr Kynes
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that only works for DeLoreans.
Are cars like the Tesla Model S the future?
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Beefbisquit
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We already have central power generation, and I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon, but I agree; no energy transfer is 100% and going from fuel to electricity to mechanical energy certainly adds up to wasted energy.
Why could we not use large methyl alcohol power generation stations to give everyone power?
We should just put flywheel energy systems in every car... lol
see4
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Or over the moon, and have bumper moon-landers.
twostrokenut
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Burn cooler too? Same as funny cars? Seems a win win and that cooler temps would improve longevity and maintence as a whole.
Dr Kynes
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methyl burns cooler in open air, under pressure it only generates marginally less heat than gasoline, but provides considerably more expansion.
on the downside, methyl does NOT reduce maint. costs, it increases them, as it lacks the lubricating powers of gasoline tor the top end and fuel system.
with carbeurated engines it's not a big deal to richen up the mixture a little for methyl, but fuel injected motors require re-engineering to run on methyl alcohol.
it's the same deal with ethyl, though ethyl has less bang under the hood.
you cant just dump e85 in your ford taurus and scoot off into the sunset. e85 is (shocker) 85% ethyl, 15% gasoline, and can only run cars designed to use it.
to run on straight alcohol you gots to fix the mix and use special injectors and pumps.
a ~70% mix of methyl and gasoline would work in most cars with very little modification, and flawlessly in old school carbeurated engines, but methyl is classed as an "explosive" by the feds for some bizarre reason, thus you can not legally put it into any engine which will operate on streets or highways.
pop by any off road or race shop and you can buy straight 98% methyl alcohol race fuel, but due to it's specialized nature it's like $6-$12/gallon.
you can make it from your lawn trimmings and buy it from farmers for way less (shhhh, thats illegal though)
Dr Kynes
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all cars DO have a flywheel energy system.
it's attached to the crank at both ends. (harmonic balancer on the front, flex-plate/torque-converter or clutch/flywheel on the tranny side)
Beefbisquit
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I meant one capable of storing large amounts of energy. The problem is making a fly wheel heavy/large enough to store the amounts of energy required.
I still think electric energy is the way to go. We already have large electrical infrastructure in place that could be adapted easily enough.
Beefbisquit
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Automotive[edit]
In the 1950s, flywheel-powered buses, known as gyrobuses, were used in Yverdon, Switzerland and there is ongoing research to make flywheel systems that are smaller, lighter, cheaper and have a greater capacity. It is hoped that flywheel systems can replace conventional chemical batteries for mobile applications, such as for electric vehicles. Proposed flywheel systems would eliminate many of the disadvantages of existing battery power systems, such as low capacity, long charge times, heavy weight and short usable lifetimes. Flywheels may have been used in the experimental Chrysler Patriot, though that has been disputed.[SUP][16][/SUP]
Flywheels have also been proposed for use in continuously variable transmissions. Punch Powertrain is currently working on such a device.[SUP][17][/SUP]
During the 1990s, Rosen Motors developed a gas turbine powered series hybrid automotive powertrain using a 55,000 rpm flywheel to provide bursts of acceleration which the small gas turbine engine could not provide. The flywheel also stored energy through regenerative braking. The flywheel was composed of a titanium hub with a carbon fiber cylinder and was gimbal-mounted to minimize adverse gyroscopic effects on vehicle handling. The prototype vehicle was successfully road tested in 1997 but was never mass-produced.[SUP][18][/SUP]
In 2013 Volvo announced a flywheel system fitted to the rear axle of its S60 sedan. Braking action spins the flywheel at up to 60,000 rpm and stops the front-mounted engine. Flywheel energy is applied via a special transmission to partially or completely power the vehicle. The 20 centimetres (7.9 in), 6 kilograms (13 lb) carbon fiber flywheel spins in a vacuum to eliminate friction. When partnered with a four-cylinder engine, it offers up to a 25 percent reduction in fuel consumption versus a comparably performing turbo six-cylinder, providing an 80 hp boost and allowing it to reach 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) in 5.5 seconds. The company did not announce specific plans to include the technology in its product line.[SUP][19]
[/SUP]I guess that answers my question. lol
In the 1950s, flywheel-powered buses, known as gyrobuses, were used in Yverdon, Switzerland and there is ongoing research to make flywheel systems that are smaller, lighter, cheaper and have a greater capacity. It is hoped that flywheel systems can replace conventional chemical batteries for mobile applications, such as for electric vehicles. Proposed flywheel systems would eliminate many of the disadvantages of existing battery power systems, such as low capacity, long charge times, heavy weight and short usable lifetimes. Flywheels may have been used in the experimental Chrysler Patriot, though that has been disputed.[SUP][16][/SUP]
Flywheels have also been proposed for use in continuously variable transmissions. Punch Powertrain is currently working on such a device.[SUP][17][/SUP]
During the 1990s, Rosen Motors developed a gas turbine powered series hybrid automotive powertrain using a 55,000 rpm flywheel to provide bursts of acceleration which the small gas turbine engine could not provide. The flywheel also stored energy through regenerative braking. The flywheel was composed of a titanium hub with a carbon fiber cylinder and was gimbal-mounted to minimize adverse gyroscopic effects on vehicle handling. The prototype vehicle was successfully road tested in 1997 but was never mass-produced.[SUP][18][/SUP]
In 2013 Volvo announced a flywheel system fitted to the rear axle of its S60 sedan. Braking action spins the flywheel at up to 60,000 rpm and stops the front-mounted engine. Flywheel energy is applied via a special transmission to partially or completely power the vehicle. The 20 centimetres (7.9 in), 6 kilograms (13 lb) carbon fiber flywheel spins in a vacuum to eliminate friction. When partnered with a four-cylinder engine, it offers up to a 25 percent reduction in fuel consumption versus a comparably performing turbo six-cylinder, providing an 80 hp boost and allowing it to reach 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) in 5.5 seconds. The company did not announce specific plans to include the technology in its product line.[SUP][19]
[/SUP]I guess that answers my question. lol
UncleBuck
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do you even free market, bro?
UncleBuck
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only one problem for bitter, neanderthal racists like you: obama's DOE has a better record of investment than bain capital did.
WOOOOOOOOOPS.
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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Sorry not to knit pick , but durring WWI and WWII vechiles were commonly adapted to run of Wood gas generators , and so called gas bags ( a big ballon on top of the truck filled with natural gas byproducts of gas manfacture . And they worked very well . Many people today are building and installing wood gas generators for TEOTWAWKI situations
Dr Kynes
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flywheels use inertia to stabilize engines and smooth the operation of the transmission, they are NOT a solution to fuel or energy needs.
the copy/paste above is not talking about flywheels powering the vehicles, but rather, giving smooth variations in speed. this job is handled by a complex and expensive computerized power distribution system using electrical resistance throttling in the chevy volt, and a few other electric cars but it is NOT the source of the power. it merely provides a smoother ride and better speed control.
THATS why flywheels are being experimented with, not as a power source.
Protip: making a flywheel lighter is counter productive since they operate on inertia. less mass means less inertia
Dr Kynes
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so you are proposing that the old gas bag dirigible fuel sacks of the distant past are a viable solution to gasoline?
low pressure gas bags are leaky, inefficient, dangerous and limit you to incredibly short ranges and low speeds.
compressed or liquified gas tanks are the only realistic option to replace gasoline with a combustible gas fuel source, and those ARE dangerous, in crashes as well as during refueling.
use your googles and check out the (also low pressure) success of the Hindenburg...
smokegreenshlt
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Wow u truly are an idiot... Reread that quote...a fly wheel has a magnet on it and a base point that is stationary... Thus creating power as they pass one another...like a generator. You dumb fuck. I love how all u fags sit behind your computer...all day. All night. And act like u actually kno shit. Fuck you and your monarch like, "proper" English on a pot forum...and I'll stick wit the broken Midwest slang...u crumpet eating fuck.
see4
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kelly4
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Please explain how that flywheel will create more power than it takes to spin the flywheel.
see4
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With my erection.
Or a better answer is with centripetal force, once you get it going, which could be done easily with a simple flick of a wrist, you have continuous power. Ya know... like a watch. That little thing you were on your wrist.
Just because you are not able to understand how something can work does not mean it can't.
kelly4
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How big of a 'watch' will I need to power my truck? Don't forget, it's carrying a wheeler and pulling a trailer.
kelly4
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We should just put wind turbines on top of our cars. Give your car a nudge and instant power. The faster you drive the more power you produce.
Driving in the mountains with steep grade? You will need 2 turbines, or you will need to push start your car a little harder.
We could build millions of these self powered vehicles and bottle the extra energy produced. I just solved the oil problem and cured global warming!
IT'S EVOLUTION BABY!
Driving in the mountains with steep grade? You will need 2 turbines, or you will need to push start your car a little harder.
We could build millions of these self powered vehicles and bottle the extra energy produced. I just solved the oil problem and cured global warming!
IT'S EVOLUTION BABY!
smokegreenshlt
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Don't forget, your fat ass too