FAA Tax Dollars at Waste

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Wavels said:
Here is a related story regarding drones and the FAA and traditional privacy.

FAA Investigating Possible Illegal Use Of Drone At Hartford Crash Scene

Read more: http://foxct.com/2014/02/07/faa-investigating-possible-illegal-use-of-drone-at-hartford-crash-scene/#ixzz2sedGrc1N​
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This is the problem with the press, and not just because they are a Fox affiliate. That is only Strike One.

Illegal? Possible Illegal?

See, they press makes up laws, or more to the point, they allow law enforcement to make up laws that they report.

This is a story of professional jealousy since this news outlet didn't get a chance to purchase the footage.

No law against filming since the Jane Mansfield case. It is settle up to SCOTUS already.

But they can get into tighter places....So what? Now, let us suppose I created a drone to steal drones from the sky.

That would be illegal. But, shooting them? Apparently not.

And people????!!!! Don't throw bottles at the drones. You don't know where that bottle will land. I've seen compilations of attempted vandalism and property destruction.

But, random footage is not always meaningful to the law, yet, if it says civilian drone footage. But, random cop footage...sure.

Lots to work out here. And this is the past already, and we are only just now taking it up as a society, What about this?

Smart dust is here. Clouds of micron sized, self directed mirrors, or forming giant lens, or black out screens...and more horror than we can imagine, I bet.

A big breakthrough just happened, that allows the particles to communicate up to 1/3 of a millimeter separation, instead of 10 microns, the wavelength limitation of IR comms.

A trick of 2 dimensional graphene, only 2 x 2 micron sheet can send and receive radio over 1/3 millimeter.

So, to get a message passed from one side of the cloud to other, that gives a 2 order of magnitude increase in the spacing. That makes it possibly doable, now.

So, when you want a privacy screen or a lens an mirror to check the make up, you deploy you cloud. You cell phone could do that, let';s say.

Illeigal or just another test of self rule?
 
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They are not talking about "real drones." What gave you that idea? They shoot at low level camera drones of all kinds. Because the wild and sickest stuff goes on on these big properties. These properties can now be spied on by citizens. Also, the EPA, and a whole list of Fed agencies are doing the exact same thing.

My Pastun friend told me his family in the Kashmir, have upgraded their surface to air capability, for the "real drones" coming over from India.

Here some footage of a citizen camera drone being shot down by Turkish police during a recent unrest.

[video=vimeo;68229603]http://vimeo.com/68229603[/video]



And here is a camera that took a rifle slug, filming an illegal pigeon shoot. If you see it, it was no shoot. Shake 'em up, toss 'em in the air....POW. Grab another one. Shake 'em up.... Stupid Pennsylvania rednecks. Southern rednecks give all rednecks a good name, as best we can, compared to these boys. :)
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The video shows nothing being shot down. It wasn't a drone either, it was an R/C helicopter,or a R/C quadcopter, neither of which is a drone, its controlled by someone at all times. The very newest technology available to the public on a commercial basis does not fly the vehicle, it can use way points to fly from one space to the next or be able to come home, but its not going to fly all around on its own like it had sentience or knew where to go or able to respond to outside environments.
 
twostrokenut

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Stuck a HD keycam with a 120 degree lens on a little MQX (blaze) to vid my garden....it was that big:bigjoint:

I heard this little keycam has fpv capability built in if you're tech saavy.........your rig could carry anything though.

Any practice with it yet? Got a feel for it?
 
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NoDrama said:
The video shows nothing being shot down. It wasn't a drone either, it was an R/C helicopter,or a R/C quadcopter, neither of which is a drone, its controlled by someone at all times. The very newest technology available to the public on a commercial basis does not fly the vehicle, it can use way points to fly from one space to the next or be able to come home, but its not going to fly all around on its own like it had sentience or knew where to go or able to respond to outside environments.
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So, you get to say what the definition of drone is? In that video is a 1 sec set of frames where the drone gets the bullet from Turkey.

He recovered the recording SIM from the drone.

Dones are 1) unmanned 2) are controlled remotely. That's it. You don't get to make up definitions. There have domes from the beginning of flight, towed behind planes.

Then you throw in machine sentience like it actually exists.

And I have GPS, barometer based, relative altimeter, rate accelerometers, auto hover, Course track, Home track to point, Come home on Auto,

That is the very model of a modern camera drone,

And if you dig a little you can get all the footage from PA where the drone receives the rifle shot and the operator limps it home already burning.
There, the base station camera that has the operator quickly unhooking the smoking, shot thru battery and tosses it.

So, if you had a point, it did not make it through for me.
 
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twostrokenut said:
Stuck a HD keycam with a 120 degree lens on a little MQX (blaze) to vid my garden....it was that big:bigjoint:

I heard this little keycam has fpv capability built in if you're tech saavy.........your rig could carry anything though.

Any practice with it yet? Got a feel for it?
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Still waiting for the recieiver and battery.

I need to take it apart, replace the receiver with a spectrum that supports the failsafe.
- balance the props and motors.
- set up my spectrum raido
- run a bunch of tests

This one, I won't treat as a toy. The ones I build I usual crash very quickly, just from yanking and banking and goofing around,

But, as I said, RC is boring because I don't have the first person view. At first, this will be a model I need to learn how to let it fly itself and I direct it to the camera shots. Lots of camera dolly practice there, before I load a camera.

So, it is in phases. Basic flying, then FPV flying, then adding switch gear and a HD camera for filming.

And then there is longer range, but that is mostly for airplanes. The long flight FPVs are up to around 80 km, out and back.
Need boosters, more battery, bigger motors to lift it all.

Well, you can see, preserve the ship is the main thing, since it is costly and the gear is as costly,
And aways the 3 rules of safety. Think, Act, Be safe. But, I have to extend that to the drone, this time. :)
 
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Is that MQX quad? I have the first little, one board helo.

120 Degrees. Yeah, that's weird isn't it? Try to get down to 50 Degrees or even 35. That is how the eyeball sees the world.

I can see now I will go for 2 cameras and a switch. That way I can "in camera, edit" save so much time back at the edit station.

And of course, if I upgrade the FMU "brains" I can get to 1 cubic centimeter position accuracy, with new type of GPS calculation.
And I can select any feature, like a totem pole say, and have the drone fly a level circle around that, always point the camera and maintaining a set distance.

Plus it all gets cheaper by the month. And there are new expensive invention to buy every month, but that is not my thing.
 
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NoDrama

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What you running there doer? A flamewheel, a DJI Phantom? Are you using an Eagle Tree GPS or something else?
It obviously isn't a 350QX as you said you are replacing the RX with a Spektrum unit so that you get failsafe capability.

Good luck getting your transmitter to have the power to make 80KM a reality, let me know if the FAA ever approves it, because at this point I doubt it ever will. Your transmitter already is at the absolute legal limit.

I like to make a distinction between a R/C aircraft and a drone. Start calling your quadcopters drones and you get labeled a terrorist. Call it an R/C airplane/heli/quad and you are a hobbyist.

Call it whatever you want, makes no difference to me, I am gonna call it a UAS, or a Quadcopter.
 
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And you are mixing 3 things legal, limits and the 9th Amendment.

There are no rules. The FAA only has lawsuits.

And do the math. 80 kicks out and back, is 40km one way. There are OpenLRS (long range) systems, that I can get for cheap. They sell them world wide and the USA has some of the least restrictions. BTW, these have been lifted with balloons for the 'curve of the Earth' shots. FAA will give a balloon wavier.

And since we use Spread Spectrum and frequency hopping even on 2.4 ghz, we don't care about no stinkin' demands to limit power, like Nazi Europe does.

And we dion't have sinkin' petty power, civilian control pukes like NZ and AUS.

What I want is to use my facial recognition software and search south Fl for Skylar. Then when she looks up, I can drop her a Valentine, :)

Gotta have some range, gotta launch a pair of orbiting signal reflectors, A lot to do.


Since when did you get so, law and order, pothead? :)
 
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NoDrama

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And you are mixing 3 things legal, limits and the 9th Amendment.

There are no rules. The FAA only has lawsuits.

And do the math. 80 kicks out and back, is 40km one way. There are OpenLRS (long range) systems, that I can get for cheap. They sell them world wide and the USA has some of the least restrictions. BTW, these have been lifted with balloons for the 'curve of the Earth' shots. FAA will give a balloon wavier.

And since we use Spread Spectrum and frequency hopping even on 2.4 ghz, we don't care about no stinkin' demands to limit power, like Nazi Europe does.

And we dion't have sinkin' petty power, civilian control pukes like NZ and AUS.

What I want is to use my facial recognition software and search south Fl for Skylar. Then when she looks up, I can drop her a Valentine, :)

Gotta have some range, gotta launch a pair of orbiting signal reflectors, A lot to do.


Since when did you get so, law and order, pothead? :)
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Beyond all of that, your first primary problem with 80km range is not going to be repeaters, or high power transmitters. Your biggest problem is going to be battery power. To get 80KM out of your phantom, how much battery capacity will it take? Currently you can get maybe 20 minutes of flight out of a 2200 Mah 3 cell LiPo and that will get you perhaps 10KM in a straight line flying at full speed. You would need a 40,000 mah 3 cell LiPo by my calculations. Figure a single battery would weigh approx 200 grams and you will need 18 of them so its looking like about EIGHT pounds of battery will be needed. Max payload of the phantom is 1200 grams, or about 2.5 pounds and at that weight top speed is considerably hindered.

You could probably increase the efficiency of the phantom by replacing the ESCs and the brushless motors to ones that will handle a 6 cell lipo, much better efficiency at higher voltages.

Either way, its going to take a new battery technology or power source technology to get you where you want to be. Then you got to deal with camera power, gimbal power, FPV transmitter power, receiver power and or any servos you may be using for other functions.

Personally I can get more than 100KM flights in total flight length, but only with a 3+ meter carbon fiber sailplane and only if I can successfully find thermals to hitch a ride on. FWIW The camera views without zoom capability are spectacular, but useless for identifying anything on the ground unless you are very close.
 
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Dude! Did I say a Phantom or any rotor craft goes 80km? No.

Only planes that can carry the battery and use the free lift of forward flight.

I am really thinking to use this as snake oil for gold prospectors. Sell aerial claim surveys. Every property has to have $100 spent on survey and improvemts or $100 IN GOLD found every year, to avoid a $750 filing fee each year. All they have to do is turn in my receipt for the survey.

I then get to have a business for write offs and can ride my motorcycle to nearby the claim if not onto the claim. I throw in some waypoints in Google Earth. Nav over there, and take some footage. It doesn't need to be high tone production or fancy at all. Then my retirement hobby can be a motor ride, tax break.
 
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I just saw a peice on CNN that explains some things. South Dakota is one of 5 States, the FAA is doing, full up, drone deployment. Any Agency that wants to be involved is invited. All kinds of real life deployments, search and rescue, high radio repeaters, re-supply, surveillance, along with commercial deployments are monitored and evaluated and best practices, and rule proposals are cataloged and shared.

I also heard today, that a big Company in Europe is entering the bike messenger, urban market, with roof top drops with drones of documents, etc.

Poor bike guys will be left to haul, bowling balls, and such. :)
 
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I know. I'm working a force protection concept as as we speak. Smoke canisters and my own anti-netting to toss into their rotors with a big spring, like they do with recovery parachutes.

Dang man! Business ops are rolling off us, right and left. Not kidding. Anyone that thinks opportunity is gone, please take Anti-Netting from me, gratis. Get the mfg going in Taiwan, via hobbyking and don't look back. Don't do it here and get ripped off. Let HK have it for Royalty checks to you.

Really the time could not better. Take it. It will make money, as long as you can 1) aim it. 2) shoot it clear of your rotors. You can get $22 for it plus shipping. Would cost about $1.22.

So, take it.

No, you are chicken..it;s a trap........too late. I bet it is already being done.

I think I will rig a....never mind. Let them find out.

Are you sure this is not an urban legend? I can't find a single report of this.

Surely they would be squawking up the forum. Have anything?

If not, that is the sister business to the one above. And that is called, war profiteering.

The plum of all profit.
 
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