Mass Murder by Blade, you Vast Idiots

Beefbisquit

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You said that HP rounds were designed to not go through walls and such, which is 100% wrong.
Also the 5.56 was NOT designed to bounce around inside of you. It may be more likely, but it was not designed that way since Geneva conventions would make that illegal.
the flechette round was actually designed to bounce around inside of you, but again, Geneva convention forbids its use.
I said HP rounds don't have the penetration power of a ball/FMJ round, and as such they don't go through walls as well. This is beneficial to LEO. HP are designed to use their energy up by expanding.

I was just repeating what a Range officer told me. Meh.
 

NoDrama

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I said HP rounds don't have the penetration power of a ball/FMJ round, and as such they don't go through walls as well. This is beneficial to LEO. HP are designed to use their energy up by expanding.

I was just repeating what a Range officer told me. Meh.
HP rounds go right through walls just fine, FRANGIBLE rounds are designed to have limited penetration, not HP rounds. HP rounds are designed to dump more energy into the assailant, hopefully cause a fatal rupturing of critical organs from the force of the energy imparted. FMJ rounds are designed to penetrate as much as possible since warfare is often fought while shooting at someone behind cover.

You will find that FMJ rounds have killed far more people than HP rounds have.
 

Beefbisquit

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HP rounds go right through walls just fine, FRANGIBLE rounds are designed to have limited penetration, not HP rounds. HP rounds are designed to dump more energy into the assailant, hopefully cause a fatal rupturing of critical organs from the force of the energy imparted. FMJ rounds are designed to penetrate as much as possible since warfare is often fought while shooting at someone behind cover.

You will find that FMJ rounds have killed far more people than HP rounds have.
Ok, we're getting somewhere stay with my, big boy.

What happens when an HP bullet (that is meant for an assailant) hits a wall?

It starts to dump that energy into the wall, instead of the assailant. When the bullet transfers energy to the wall what happens?

The bullet slows down.

If you shoot an FMJ round at a series of walls lined up in a row, it will pass through more than an HP round.
 

Beefbisquit

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Which means you think that a condo wall would stop it.

You got a pic of some of these guns you own?
Actually I said walls in a condo. A few walls, depending on what they're made of, would usually stop a round.

One solid cement wall will stop a pistol round. Cinder blocks, not so much. My apt has concrete walls, floor, and ceiling.

Unless you're bringing at least 7.62x39.... you're not gonna put a hole through it.
 

Dr Kynes

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NoDrama

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Actually I said walls in a condo. A few walls, depending on what they're made of, would usually stop a round.

One solid cement wall will stop a pistol round. Cinder blocks, not so much.
Look Beef, we know your argument is that mass murders would no longer happen if guns were gone. You got proven wrong a long long time ago, let it go.

pistol rounds will most likely not penetrate a cinder block. I know that my 230 grain .45 FMJ rounds WILL NOT.
 

NoDrama

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Beefbisquit

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Look Beef, we know your argument is that mass murders would no longer happen if guns were gone. You got proven wrong a long long time ago, let it go.

pistol rounds will most likely not penetrate a cinder block. I know that my 230 grain .45 FMJ rounds WILL NOT.
That's not my argument at all.

Kelly said trucks were better instruments for mass murder than guns. That's how this started.

Murderers will still murder regardless of the instruments they have available. My point is that guns are the best instrument, not that guns should be illegal because of that fact.

Guns are also the best defense against people with guns.

Not sure where you drew your conclusions from, but it wasn't from what I said.

You're arguing against a strawman.
 

Beefbisquit

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Apparently 73 people are not fast enough to jump out of the way and are, according to beefy, stupid.
They were injured. No where does it say he hit all 63 people you dumbass. Some probably got hit by other people, or fell over, or got hit with flying debris.

You dolt. lol
 

Beefbisquit

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Why didn't the cops run him off of the road? Why didn't the fuzz throw down spike strips? Or shoot him?
Because in real life, when people smash through buildings they don't make it very far. His escapade ended 10 seconds after it started when he smashed into a ditch.

He wasn't driving the death-mobile like you would have been. F-350, jacked up, 35" 'mudders'.... 4x4 ready for carnage. No ditch would stop Kelly! lol
 

kelly4

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Because he crashed 10 seconds after it happened in a ditch.
Did they throw down spike strips? Shoot him? Run him off the road? What if he didn't hit the ditch and was trying to run over more people? Do you think he could have killed more? What if he was driving my plow truck?
 

Dr Kynes

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Because in real life, when people smash through buildings they don't make it very far. His escapade ended 10 seconds after it started when he smashed into a ditch.

He wasn't driving the death-mobile like you would have been. F-350, jacked up, 35" 'mudders'.... 4x4 ready for carnage. No ditch would stop Kelly! lol
google Killdozer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA

ultimate win.

he was going for property damage not kills though.

so lulzy.
 

Dr Kynes

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Did they throw down spike strips? Shoot him? Run him off the road? What if he didn't hit the ditch and was trying to run over more people? Do you think he could have killed more? What if he was driving my plow truck?
read the news report.

gramps had the oldzheimers and drove through a farmers market.

he wasnt going super fast, nor was he seeking a kill count.

he just ran through a crowd at 40mph
 
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