The forbidden TRUTH

[ghostdriver]

Looking for links between different species based on bone structure and molecular analysis absolutely is science. I don't know what you think science is....


That is absolutely retarded. You don't even know what science is lol.... There are debates in science all the time, just not about evolution. Again, I'm repeating myself here but it's the basis for all modern biology.


Actually, in science facts don't do explaining. Facts are gathered to make explanations, or THEORIES as they're called in science.

There is no new evidence that could overturn heliocentric theory (the theory that we orbit the sun), likewise it is virtually impossible to overturn the mountain of evidence we have for evolution. It is not dependent on 6 skeletons, I don't know why you have that bizarre notion stuck in your head. There are mountains of information that supports evolution, I listed just a few of the methods we've gathered evidence above.


Yes, you are.



"Genetic evidence suggests that the wolverine is most closely related to the tayra and martens (scientific names Eira and Martes, respectively), all of which shared a Eurasian ancestor.[3]

Within the Gulo genus, a clear separation occurs between two subspecies: the Old World form Gulo gulo gulo and the New World form G. g. luscus. Some authors had described as many as four additional North American subspecies, including ones limited to Vancouver Island (G. g. vancouverensis) and the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska (G. g. katschemakensis). However, the most currently accepted taxonomy recognizes either the two continental subspecies or recognize G. gulo as a single Holarctic taxon.[4]

Hall[who?] regards the North American Wolverine as a species (Gulo luscus) distinct from the Eurasian Wolverine (Gulo gulo).[1][verification needed]

Recently compiled genetic evidence suggests most of North America's wolverines are descended from a single source, likely originating from Beringia during the last glaciation and rapidly expanding thereafter, though considerable uncertainty to this conclusion is due to the difficulty of collecting samples in the extremely depleted southern extent of the range.[4]"

We have genetic testing, we already know the ancestors of wolverines. And I don't think you understand that those skeletons might not be direct descendents, they could be side branches of the same family. lol

This is what I mean when I say you don't understand what you're talking about.

Overnight? Are you completely retarded? It took millions and millions of years, you ass hat. Can you even conceive of 1,000,000 years? What will humans look like in 1,000,000 years? lol We're already quite different from early humans, and we've only been around 200,000 years.

You really are dumb.


That's absurd. Your 'professor' that denounced the Nat Geo article is a diagnoses paranoid schizophrenic.

This is his argument;

Harun Yahya's recycled arguments
Harun Yahya's attempts at positive arguments for creationism all seem to fall into much the same pattern.

• Step one, which takes 90% or more of each essay, involves giving perfectly genuine scientific facts, copied from real scientists, concerning some aspect of nature. It really doesn't matter what - it can be anything from the metabolism of the koala[9] to mimicry in parrots[10] to the workings of the Venus Fly-Trap.[11]

• Step two involves pretending that "Darwinists" claim that the natural world was produced by "coincidence", or "random chance". Yahya then points out that this can't possibly be the case, and concludes that therefore evolution is wrong.

• Step three is to declare that since evolution is wrong, Allahdidit by a miracle.

He varies this formula very little: occasionally he skips straight from step one to step three without bothering with step two.[12]



I posted the various methods that Evolution has gathered knowledge. Go to the post above, and read about the things I posted, dumbass. I'm not here to spoon feed you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

I like it all you have to do is stop and think with a little common sense you get !

Lol, you still believe that I am GhostDriver?

I have a much different writting style compared to GhostDriver. GhostDriver knows a lot more about the Bible compared to Me. I am not trying to debunk evolution; GhostDriver is.

I dont even know what state that GhostDriver lives in, if he lives in the USA. I dont know of GhostDriver is a male or female; but I assume he is a male. I dont know how old GhostDriver is. I dont know much about GhostDriver.

Its actually a little funny that you think Im GhostDriver, but annoying at the same time.

~PEACE~

Just had a chat with the nice J.W.'s that frequent my place.

They couldn't make free will and god's plan compatible. They told me they'd have to come back a talk with me again.

Hello,
I see literally nothing but spam here, if you have actual evidence (which you don't) of your or any other religion being true, go ahead and post so I can explain to you and the others that are reading how it's fake. ( I know it's fake because I know the truth from first hand experience so looking up the truth isn't hard) Also the fact that you ignore all of the answers I have given you about your religion, and skip to something else like a crab with a shell that you think resembles a face which. Even though this crab exist in the same time period of humans and literally no where is the world is there any creature (crab included) that switched to a different species through "evolving" or have any evidence that would support anything of what your saying or said to even incline a suggestion of your theory of humans being coming from a one super cell organism that comes from nothing, just appears in thin air. Along with your theory of how the universe was made. I'm sure there was a big bang when GOD made creation LOL but that's not what you're saying.
Also because I have literally and repetitively explained your six skeletons that you think come from whales is supported by literally nothing by science and facts, but only supported by other people who follow your "religion" of denying the fact that there is a CREATOR. Also because I have explained and given you so much information that is true which you can look up and it will still be true unlike anything you have posted. And the fact that some of you are trying to insinuate that I am this "nevaeh" man who claims to be THE SON OF GOD( Which is something so blasphemous and ignorant I cannot fathom) literally shows me many of you are not posting here because your'e seeking the truth but because you are trying to cause calamity because this thread is talking about GOD. So because of the spam, and stating you believe in "darwinism" even though you have provided no theory on how the universe was made, matter, water, light, ect. Or any proof of your theory to why one would ever think that people came from "one single organism" or any proof that this "one single organism" can come from nothing and appear in thin air, Air- another thing you can't explain in your theory, or How this single cell organism made different plants, species which are nothing alike, other then they are made of living matter. Shows me that many of you know GOD is real and aren't willing to state it because you don't want to worship GOD, and you are only here because you are scared that someone is reading this who might be looking for the truth may find it. So you spam and insult and cannot stop posting on my thread because this idea literally is painful to you. The idea that someone may find the truth about GOD.
Love you all and hope you all realize how much you should fear THE LORD.

 

[ghostdriver]

I will be posting lots of info soon, with pics and videos. stay tuned.

 

[ghostdriver]

Just had a chat with the nice J.W.'s that frequent my place.

They couldn't make free will and god's plan compatible. They told me they'd have to come back a talk with me again.

Those witnesses are a cult which don't follow the Laws of GOD and purposely made a religion so you can sin and not have to follow GOD's Laws, (Like almost all fake religions) and I have told you literally over and over and over the answer to your question, so this again is proof like I said in post 901 that you are not looking for the truth, you could have told them what I told you and maybe they wouldn't be in a cult anymore but no, you wanted to ask them something you already know the answer to, to look "smart" and to deceive people. Asking answers I already explained, and bragging about how ignorant cults can't answer them. I see what your'e doing.
GOD see's what your'e doing, GOD knows every thought you have. Fear GOD

 

[Ceepea]

Hello,
I see literally nothing but spam here, if you have actual evidence (which you don't) of your or any other religion being true, go ahead and post so I can explain to you and the others that are reading how it's fake. ( I know it's fake because I know the truth from first hand experience so looking up the truth isn't hard) Also the fact that you ignore all of the answers I have given you about your religion, and skip to something else like a crab with a shell that you think resembles a face which. Even though this crab exist in the same time period of humans and literally no where is the world is there any creature (crab included) that switched to a different species through "evolving" or have any evidence that would support anything of what your saying or said to even incline a suggestion of your theory of humans being coming from a one super cell organism that comes from nothing, just appears in thin air. Along with your theory of how the universe was made. I'm sure there was a big bang when GOD made creation LOL but that's not what you're saying.
Also because I have literally and repetitively explained your six skeletons that you think come from whales is supported by literally nothing by science and facts, but only supported by other people who follow your "religion" of denying the fact that there is a CREATOR. Also because I have explained and given you so much information that is true which you can look up and it will still be true unlike anything you have posted. And the fact that some of you are trying to insinuate that I am this "nevaeh" man who claims to be THE SON OF GOD( Which is something so blasphemous and ignorant I cannot fathom) literally shows me many of you are not posting here because your'e seeking the truth but because you are trying to cause calamity because this thread is talking about GOD. So because of the spam, and stating you believe in "darwinism" even though you have provided no theory on how the universe was made, matter, water, light, ect. Or any proof of your theory to why one would ever think that people came from "one single organism" or any proof that this "one single organism" can come from nothing and appear in thin air, Air- another thing you can't explain in your theory, or How this single cell organism made different plants, species which are nothing alike, other then they are made of living matter. Shows me that many of you know GOD is real and aren't willing to state it because you don't want to worship GOD, and you are only here because you are scared that someone is reading this who might be looking for the truth may find it. So you spam and insult and cannot stop posting on my thread because this idea literally is painful to you. The idea that someone may find the truth about GOD.
Love you all and hope you all realize how much you should fear THE LORD.

You see the evidence.... and then say 'what evidence?'.

Moron.

“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?”

― Sam Harris

 

[ghostdriver]

Oh the evidence I explained to be a false, and nothing more then a matter of opinion? With no logical sense at all. Interesting how you completely ignored post 903.

 

[ghostdriver]

As long with the millions of contradictions and impossible events that surround your "religion" but like I said before through your actions I can see your real motives. I don't think you follow this theory you just are trying to cause calamity like saying I'm someone else or asking question to ignorant cults that you have already been given the answer too. And ignoring, spamming, and insulting isn't going to trick anyone.

 

[ghostdriver]

If GOD wants someone to hear what I say, I assure you your ramblings will not stop it. Not yours "ceepea" not yours fightclub fan and not any of the other users which post nothing but insanity demonic logic which is without reasoning.

 

[ghostdriver]

This thread is for people who are sincerely looking for answers, not people who want to troll because of there emotions towards GOD. People who know the truth and continue to lie and to ask questions, they know the answer to, and try to deceive people, are not people who follow the religion of darwin (if there are actually any) but are people who are trying to do satans work by spreading confusion and lies when they know the truth, but don't like it. And won't follow it, and want others to join them in there rebellion and punishment.

 

[Ceepea]

Those witnesses are a cult which don't follow the Laws of GOD and purposely made a religion so you can sin and not have to follow GOD's Laws, (Like almost all fake religions) and I have told you literally over and over and over the answer to your question, so this again is proof like I said in post 901 that you are not looking for the truth, you could have told them what I told you and maybe they wouldn't be in a cult anymore but no, you wanted to ask them something you already know the answer to, to look "smart" and to deceive people.

Your answer wouldn't satisfy the simplest mind. I'm looking for a real answer that actually makes sense. You have provided nothing of the sort.

Asking answers I already explained, and bragging about how ignorant cults can't answer them. I see what your'e doing.
GOD see's what your'e doing, GOD knows every thought you have. Fear GOD

I don't fear the non-existent.

LOL - besides. if god existed, god knew I was going to type this before he created the universe.

So, I'll ask you again, if god knows what I'm going to do, what are the chances that I do something different?

 

[ghostdriver]

Your answer wouldn't satisfy the simplest mind. I'm looking for a real answer that actually makes sense. You have provided nothing of the sort.



I don't fear the non-existent.

LOL - besides. if god existed, god knew I was going to type this before he created the universe.

So, I'll ask you again, if god knows what I'm going to do, what are the chances that I do something different?

See this is what I'm talking about trying to deceive people, trying to spam the thread with ignorant contradicting questions I have answered on what? page 5 or something I think it stared on? I Continued to answer repeatedly for a number of pages, because I thought you couldn't grasp what I was saying. But you do.... You expect me to believe you forgot? No, I know you remember and you purposely asked those cult witnesses this question hoping they didn't know. I know why you are doing what you are doing as I said in post 903, 905, 906, 907 and 908 ^^^ which is on this page and I proved with questions your religion is complete lie from the devil and evil men, like all these religions and denominations that are around today that teach it's okay to sin, and hell isn't real, or LORD JESUS CHRIST GOD isn't the SON of THE ALMIGHTY MOST HOLY CREATOR.
But I will explain again for those who might of skipped to the last page (if you did go back you missed a lot of important things, just look for my post to avoid all the spam, I know I answer a lot of questions over and over but for a while I really thought he didn't understand LOL, and it's not just ignorant questions answered repeatedly (what they wanted) it's a lot of information that pertains to everyone.)
So as for you ignorant question which you claim proves that you don't have free will. Even though I know you know, and are just trying to spam the thread, hoping someone didn't read your questions earlier, and waste my time so I don't get a opportunity to post the more info and pics and videos I keep mentioning I will be doing soon.( Which I will )
The fact that GOD knows what decision you will choose doesn't, in any way insinuate or suggest that you do not have a free will. I know your'e going to reply with a email saying this makes no sense even though it does, and you know it does, any everyone knows it does, does this mean you were forced to make this decision? I know you understand this, and the fact that you think you can trick someone who is looking for the truth about GOD is ridiculous, if someone is actually looking for where they came from and what they are, they have already started there search for the truth and for GOD and will be saved, only heathens chose not to look into what they are and research because they aren't willing to change there lives. Everyone knows about GOD the only reasons why people don't desperately search for the truth, search for GOD and his way, is because the know they would have to change there lives. They then act like they aren't weak and act like they are just oblivious to GOD because, then they don't have to admit to others that they cannot walk in the path of righteousness and stop there sin. Atheist, catholics, mormons, witnesses, islam, even the church's which say they are "Christian" and follow GOD's laws and THE HOLY BIBLE go to church on Sunday and have pig roast in church and illuminati symbols of Satan in the churchs. There may be a Church out there that is legit but it's few and far in between.

 

[ghostdriver]

Your'e doing what the illuminati does, knows the truth and attempts to trick others.

 

[Ceepea]

The fact that GOD knows what decision you will choose doesn't, in any way insinuate or suggest that you do not have a free will. I know your'e going to reply with a email saying this makes no sense even though it does,

^^This sentence = It's right because I say it is! You still haven't provided a reason as to why you think it makes sense. You haven't disproved my point or made a counter-point, all you've done is say 'IT MAKES SENSE'.... care to give an explanation?

and you know it does, any everyone knows it does, does this mean you were forced to make this decision?

I, nor everyone, knows it makes sense. That statement in and of itself doesn't make sense, because I'm saying it doesn't make sense right now. How can everyone think it makes sense, when I don't and I know a shitload of other people who don't? Are me and other atheists not part of 'everyone'?

I know you understand this, and the fact that you think you can trick someone who is looking for the truth about GOD is ridiculous, if someone is actually looking for where they came from and what they are, they have already started there search for the truth and for GOD and will be saved, only heathens chose not to look into what they are and research because they aren't willing to change there lives.

I'm saying if god exists, and has the property of omniscience, the knowledge god had of future events had to come to be. That means god knows everything that I've done/will do in my life before I've done it. That is fate. Regardless of what I think I might be choosing in my life, inevitably I will make the decisions god knew I would make.

If you go into a store to buy a pop and god knows you'll buy a coke, there's no chance of buying anything but a coke. That is fate, and free will cannot exist in that scenario. It would appear to be free will to us, but in reality things are happening the only way they actually could.

Not to mention the fact that any god that would create people, make them weak and disappointing and then blame THEM for it!! What the fuck is that?

"I love you, but if you fuck with me I'll torture you for eternity."

That is not a 'loving' concept. No loving thing would behave like that.

Everyone knows about GOD the only reasons why people don't desperately search for the truth, search for GOD and his way, is because the know they would have to change there lives.

I don't search for treasure on random maps I find either. I need evidence before I invest my time into things. I've done a significant amount of study about the bible and religion, and there's nothing persuasive about it. It's old fables that are stolen from religions that came before Christianity and Judaism.

They then act like they aren't weak and act like they are just oblivious to GOD because, then they don't have to admit to others that they cannot walk in the path of righteousness and stop there sin. Atheist, catholics, mormons, witnesses, islam, even the church's which say they are "Christian" and follow GOD's laws and THE HOLY BIBLE go to church on Sunday and have pig roast in church and illuminati symbols of Satan in the churchs. There may be a Church out there that is legit but it's few and far in between.

There's no 'legit' organization that worships a mythological creature.[/quote][/quote]

 

[ghostdriver]

Ceepea, Yes GOD knew all that was going to happen, why do I need to repeat something that's in writing? THIS IS ALL MADE FOR MANKIND. To experience the truth of GOD, which there in lays the glory of GOD. Just because GOD knows what we are going to do before we do it, does not mean we do not have free will. If GOD made us so we didn't choose, what we chose, then it wouldn't be free will. Yes GOD set the stage and started the show and knows the ending (or lack there of a ending) but EVERYONE has a choice.
-post 98
what don't you understand ceepea? You can choose anything...To worship GOD and not sin, Or to Hate GOD and defy his existence and kill people. Everything you do is your own decision GOD made you yes, and knows your decision. But GOD didn't make you sin. In fact GOD commands no one sins. We CAN as in have the ability, but can't because GOD forbids it. But we have freewill to do anything. You could run outside naked attacking stop signs singing the west side story, you have free will. I mean it would be a sin to go do that, children running around and such don't reveal your nakedness to anyone but your wife. But do you understand the concept?
-post 129
No one will stop you ( well the police will thankfully) No one is deciding your fate but you and your decisions.
-post 130
Ceepea,
God isn't going to tell you what you're going to do before you do it, so you can change it from happening. God has made a list of things not to do, it's chapter Deuteronomy in the HOLY BIBLE, also in Mathew.
Okay here we go again...
Ceepea YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS, and therefore you cannot make a decision to do the opposite of whatever you would normally do!?!?!?!
Durden your not saying anything other than I can't prove GOD to you and you won't do research or try to communicate with GOD and I can't make you.. LOL Is this your excuse of why it's okay for people to live in sin? You know and I know what is wrong and this lack of a excuse isn't a excuse.
-Post 163

Yes, I have been made to be saved, but chosen to be saved because of the decisions I made, with the decisions of free will that GOD gave, that GOD knows I will always make, even though it took many many wrong tries to achieve. Yes, some people have been made for the glory of God's destruction. But because God knows the decisions they will make over and over with the same gift of freewill which the righteous have.
-post 195

Because you warned that boxer over and over just as much as you warned the others that have turned and lived, he was doomed to lose unless he prayed to GOD, but he wouldn't. How then can he complain? Say GOD made me this way? With freewill you make yourself a certain way, and GOD knows who these people will be because he is ALL KNOWING how are you not getting this?
-post 203
You are saying you want GOD to pursue people who defy him in a special way, and by not doing this free will doesn't exist. This statement is not logical.
-post 205
Free will also comes with rewards and penalty's. Free will is a great responsibility
-post 206
Which post didn't you read? LOL is anyone else reading this? IF YOUR A EVIL PERSON IT"S BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BE. Every second that passes is a chance to change your way, it's not GOD's fault you don't.
-post 209

The fact GOD knows if a mans evil or good does not defy free will. Your insults again not appreciated, need I remind you I have been talking time to answer YOUR questions? Over and over in various levels of details.

-post 213

You've failed to answer anything, other than your final belief. That 'god gave us free will and god knows everything'.

Every time I've tried to coax an answer out of you as to WHY you believe that, we get to the point where I ask you, "what are the chances that you do the opposite of what god, with his omniscience, has known you will do since before time existed?"

And you never answer....

Because it's a foolish question! GOD only knows what your going to do because your going to do it! You want me to say foolishly "uhh zeroo" so you can say "see no free will!" but you fail to realize GOD knows what your going to do because you choose to do it with free will!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

-post 228

Lol did you just decide this? A omnipotent GOD can't grant free will LOL.. Read what you're saying
"Omniscience requires omnipotence, and an omnipotent being with the ability to see the future leaves no room for free will."

Do you think your'e fooling anyone? Stop spamming, trolling, and doing the work of Satan. It would be one thing if you were asking serious questions. I know what your'e doing. It's obvious.

 

[Ceepea]

Ceepea, Yes GOD knew all that was going to happen, why do I need to repeat something that's in writing? THIS IS ALL MADE FOR MANKIND. To experience the truth of GOD, which there in lays the glory of GOD. Just because GOD knows what we are going to do before we do it, does not mean we do not have free will. If GOD made us so we didn't choose, what we chose, then it wouldn't be free will. Yes GOD set the stage and started the show and knows the ending (or lack there of a ending) but EVERYONE has a choice.
-post 98

Saying ;everyone has a choice' isn't an explanation. How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? You are destined or fated to choose that thing. You still haven't demonstrated anything you dumb ass. Give me an explanation as to HOW people have a choice when their future is KNOWN. If the future is known then what will happen will happen, and all your 'choices' mean nothing because you will ultimately do what you're fated to do. Unless you're saying you can do something OTHER than what god KNOWS.

what don't you understand ceepea? You can choose anything...To worship GOD and not sin, Or to Hate GOD and defy his existence and kill people.

You can choose anything...... as long as it's exaclty what god knows you'll do. However, you cannot do anything that god doesn't doesn't know will happen.

Everything you do is your own decision GOD made you yes, and knows your decision. But GOD didn't make you sin. In fact GOD commands no one sins.

God would have the option to make no one sin. God knew exactly how many people would sin before they existed. He could have made people perfect, without sin and without the urge to sin. But apparently he chose not to. He chose to willingly send billions of people to hell, knowing full well they would go to hell....for eternity.

We CAN as in have the ability, but can't because GOD forbids it. But we have freewill to do anything. You could run outside naked attacking stop signs singing the west side story, you have free will. I mean it would be a sin to go do that, children running around and such don't reveal your nakedness to anyone but your wife. But do you understand the concept?
-post 129
No one will stop you ( well the police will thankfully) No one is deciding your fate but you and your decisions.
-post 130

I hear what you're saying but it doesn't logically follow. I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm saying it's much more complicated than your simplistic analogy. Why would anyone who loves you and has the ability to do anything willingly send people to hell? Knowing full well what they were going to do, and still sending them there? lol

Ceepea,
God isn't going to tell you what you're going to do before you do it, so you can change it from happening.

You can't change what god knows will happen. That would mean you could surprise god... God would never be watching what you'll do in suspense... he knows exact what's going to happen.

God has made a list of things not to do, it's chapter Deuteronomy in the HOLY BIBLE, also in Mathew.
Okay here we go again...
Ceepea YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD KNOWS, and therefore you cannot make a decision to do the opposite of whatever you would normally do!?!?!?!

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Whatever you end up doing, is the only thing you could have done.

Durden your not saying anything other than I can't prove GOD to you and you won't do research or try to communicate with GOD and I can't make you.. LOL Is this your excuse of why it's okay for people to live in sin? You know and I know what is wrong and this lack of a excuse isn't a excuse.
-Post 163

Yes, I have been made to be saved, but chosen to be saved because of the decisions I made, with the decisions of free will that GOD gave, that GOD knows I will always make, even though it took many many wrong tries to achieve. Yes, some people have been made for the glory of God's destruction. But because God knows the decisions they will make over and over with the same gift of freewill which the righteous have.
-post 195

Because you warned that boxer over and over just as much as you warned the others that have turned and lived, he was doomed to lose unless he prayed to GOD, but he wouldn't. How then can he complain? Say GOD made me this way? With freewill you make yourself a certain way, and GOD knows who these people will be because he is ALL KNOWING how are you not getting this?
-post 203
You are saying you want GOD to pursue people who defy him in a special way, and by not doing this free will doesn't exist. This statement is not logical.
-post 205
Free will also comes with rewards and penalty's. Free will is a great responsibility
-post 206
Which post didn't you read? LOL is anyone else reading this? IF YOUR A EVIL PERSON IT"S BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BE. Every second that passes is a chance to change your way, it's not GOD's fault you don't.
-post 209

The fact GOD knows if a mans evil or good does not defy free will. Your insults again not appreciated, need I remind you I have been talking time to answer YOUR questions? Over and over in various levels of details.

-post 213

Because it's a foolish question! GOD only knows what your going to do because your going to do it! You want me to say foolishly "uhh zeroo" so you can say "see no free will!" but you fail to realize GOD knows what your going to do because you choose to do it with free will!!!!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Bwahahahahaahahaa!!!!! Oh man, you're still dodging the question because you can't reconcile your beliefs with what you'd have to say. If we truly have free will we would be surprising god..... It's not possible for anyone to truly KNOW what we're going to do, if we actually have free will. Free will means means non-deterministic. If god knows what you're going to do, it's already been pre-determined.

Do you see how non-deterministic and per-determinded are antonyms?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

-post 228

Lol did you just decide this? A omnipotent GOD can't grant free will LOL.. Read what you're saying

"Omniscience requires omnipotence, and an omnipotent being with the ability to see the future leaves no room for free will."

Do you think your'e fooling anyone? Stop spamming, trolling, and doing the work of Satan. It would be one thing if you were asking serious questions. I know what your'e doing. It's obvious.

Satan doesn't exist. It's funny, when you have no argument you just claim people are spamming to change the subject. Nice play, coward.

 

[ghostdriver]

Saying ;everyone has a choice' isn't an explanation. How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? You are destined or fated to choose that thing. You still haven't demonstrated anything you dumb ass. Give me an explanation as to HOW people have a choice when their future is KNOWN. If the future is known then what will happen will happen, and all your 'choices' mean nothing because you will ultimately do what you're fated to do. Unless you're saying you can do something OTHER than what god KNOWS.


You can choose anything...... as long as it's exaclty what god knows you'll do. However, you cannot do anything that god doesn't doesn't know will happen.


God would have the option to make no one sin. God knew exactly how many people would sin before they existed. He could have made people perfect, without sin and without the urge to sin. But apparently he chose not to. He chose to willingly send billions of people to hell, knowing full well they would go to hell....for eternity.


I hear what you're saying but it doesn't logically follow. I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm saying it's much more complicated than your simplistic analogy. Why would anyone who loves you and has the ability to do anything willingly send people to hell? Knowing full well what they were going to do, and still sending them there? lol


You can't change what god knows will happen. That would mean you could surprise god... God would never be watching what you'll do in suspense... he knows exact what's going to happen.


You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Whatever you end up doing, is the only thing you could have done.






Bwahahahahaahahaa!!!!! Oh man, you're still dodging the question because you can't reconcile your beliefs with what you'd have to say. If we truly have free will we would be surprising god..... It's not possible for anyone to truly KNOW what we're going to do, if we actually have free will. Free will means means non-deterministic. If god knows what you're going to do, it's already been pre-determined.

Do you see how non-deterministic and per-determinded are antonyms?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?



Satan doesn't exist. It's funny, when you have no argument you just claim people are spamming to change the subject. Nice play, coward.

"How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? "--- Only in a warped mind would this be contradicting your choices, there isn't a illusion of free will you literally decide what you do. Beyond insane logic, seriously..

 

[tyler.durden]

"How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? "--- Only in a warped mind would this be contradicting your choices, there isn't a illusion of free will you literally decide what you do. Beyond insane logic, seriously..

This topic has been around for centuries argued by men much smarter than any of us. BB's logic is dead on, he's not giving an opinion, it is simply logic. Term Logic is very structured and disciplined, much like math. Logic has definite rules, there is no your logic, my logic, their logic. There is only logic, and one is either executing it correctly or they are not. This takes training, it needs to be learned. It is not inborn, and much of it is counter-intuitive. So the question is who has studied logic, and to what degree? I know BB has a philosophy degree, while I'm not sure that GD has actually completed HS.

Making an actual decision requires more than one possible outcome. If an omniscient being already knows how all situations pan out, there is not more than one possible outcome, there is only one. The one that the omniscient being foresees. If there was truly free will, there would actually be more than one possible choice, thus more than one possible outcome, and the omniscient being couldn't know which you'd choose until the very moment you make the choice. Thus, the being wouldn't be omniscient. Logically, free will and omniscience cannot exist simultaneously, it's one or the other (although beings can certainly have the illusion of free will, the feeling that they are choosing from more than one option when only one exists). It is similar to the fact one cannot be here and not here at the same time, anyone claiming that this is physically possible obviously has no training in the discipline of logic...

 

[MonkeyChimp]

Unless you're saying you can do something OTHER than what god KNOWS.
You can choose anything...... as long as it's exaclty what god knows you'll do. However, you cannot do anything that god doesn't doesn't know will happen.

You can't change what god knows will happen. That would mean you could surprise god... God would never be watching what you'll do in suspense... he knows exact what's going to happen.
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omfg you 2 are STILL on that?

Onan proved freewill is bullcrap. God killed him because he didn't impregnate his brother's wife, he thought it was an insult to his brother.
END OF DEBATE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

 

[Ceepea]

"How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? "--- Only in a warped mind would this be contradicting your choices, there isn't a illusion of free will you literally decide what you do. Beyond insane logic, seriously..

TD summed it up great.... not that I expect you to understand.

If god knows what you're going to do, all the decisions you make or made, all the thinking you do in your head to come to a conclusion, were all put into place by god in the first place, and he knows what you'll choose in the end. So, you never had the option of choosing anything but the choices you made. If god knows what you're going to do at all times, then a very specific series of events are going to unfold, according to what god knows will happen. It is not possible to deviate from that path, so to the person, it seems like they're making choices but in reality everything you 'choose' to do has already been foreseen by god, and all your decisions have already been mapped out.

 

[Dislexicmidget2021]

Your'e doing what the illuminati does, knows the truth and attempts to trick others.

shhh... dont tell anybody about the secret handshake,,,anything but that.

 

[ghostdriver]

Saying ;everyone has a choice' isn't an explanation. How does everyone have a choice if god knows what you'll do? You are destined or fated to choose that thing. You still haven't demonstrated anything you dumb ass. Give me an explanation as to HOW people have a choice when their future is KNOWN. If the future is known then what will happen will happen, and all your 'choices' mean nothing because you will ultimately do what you're fated to do. Unless you're saying you can do something OTHER than what god KNOWS.


You can choose anything...... as long as it's exaclty what god knows you'll do. However, you cannot do anything that god doesn't doesn't know will happen.


God would have the option to make no one sin. God knew exactly how many people would sin before they existed. He could have made people perfect, without sin and without the urge to sin. But apparently he chose not to. He chose to willingly send billions of people to hell, knowing full well they would go to hell....for eternity.


I hear what you're saying but it doesn't logically follow. I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm saying it's much more complicated than your simplistic analogy. Why would anyone who loves you and has the ability to do anything willingly send people to hell? Knowing full well what they were going to do, and still sending them there? lol


You can't change what god knows will happen. That would mean you could surprise god... God would never be watching what you'll do in suspense... he knows exact what's going to happen.


You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Whatever you end up doing, is the only thing you could have done.






Bwahahahahaahahaa!!!!! Oh man, you're still dodging the question because you can't reconcile your beliefs with what you'd have to say. If we truly have free will we would be surprising god..... It's not possible for anyone to truly KNOW what we're going to do, if we actually have free will. Free will means means non-deterministic. If god knows what you're going to do, it's already been pre-determined.

Do you see how non-deterministic and per-determinded are antonyms?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?



Satan doesn't exist. It's funny, when you have no argument you just claim people are spamming to change the subject. Nice play, coward.

Like I said only in some warped mind would this be a contradicting statement, yes GOD knows who will do what, and knows who will go to Hell and who will go to Heaven. And has given us all the options to ether follow GOD will or not to. You claiming you don't have the option to follow GOD's will is ignorant.
Yes, GOD could of made us all programmed not to sin, but if you make a creation programmed to love you it doesn't really love you does it? And the fact that a few people who also seem to be here for no other, reason then to attempt to mock the CREATOR MOST HOLY also deny what i'm saying to be true, doesn't change the reality of the situation.
The time to change is now, hope you all understand