Khalid Sheikh Mohammed

Harrekin

Harrekin

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abandonconflict said:
Nobody is coddling up to Islam. I'm an atheist.

The truth is the truth. You're not conveying truth. You're cherry picking verses, probably from some islamophobic website and that is like learning about Judaism from NAZI propagandists.



9:29 is the most obvious example of this that you could possibly have chosen and it's over played, because you have to read several pages to gain context, but you'll never do that. You prefer to quote a single verse and then get corrected by someone who has actually read the Quran.

This is a direct quote of a command to soldiers heading into battle against the Eastern Roman Empire who was the aggressor. It occurred in the territory of the caliphate and therefore shows how particularly merciful they were. If Chinese troops invaded San Diego we would never give quarter or exclude from our wrath those of them who shared our religion, but that is what the quran is commanding. This is not in general and not an open command to Islam. This only applies within the caliphate and refers to a specific defensive battle.


This verse refers specifically to the Battle of Badr, in which 300 Muslims faced 1,000 pagans who had chased them from Makkah to Madina and were intending to annihilate them. Apparently however, they were less merciful toward their polytheistic oppressors than toward the Christian army to whom 9:29 referred. That is only apparently, most of the pagans became Muslims quite willingly and were spared.



Ah, back to Surat At Taubah... In 9 the new caliphate has been established, in 8 it hadn't yet been. The establishment of the caliphate was achieved by a war against the pagan polytheists who had been quite oppressive to the Muslims, so why then would the armies of the new caliphate wait until after Ramadan to conclude this war?


Pro tip: read the book before you try to tell me what it's about or you're going to get schooled every single time.
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What does "Hindu Kush" stand for and where did it come from?

Are you aware Muhammed was a warlord who started a religion after conquering two cities, and also a known pedophile?

I know LOTS of Muslim people, they're really decent folk and Ive called many my friend...but they were "bad Muslims" according to their book.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Harrekin said:
according to their book.
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Which you have never read, lack any understanding of, and failed to cite regarding your false claims of what it contains.
Harrekin said:
Koran says death to unbelievers, unless they pay and convert.
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You cited three verses out of context which referred to specific historical battles in order to argue that the Quran commands violence against non-Muslims in general.

Now you're just moving the goalposts and claiming that you have Muslim friends in order to save face after making yourself out to be a bigot.
 
panhead

panhead

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abandonconflict said:
Lol, no.

You're clearly describing hadith, not Quran. Then you're saying that the best way to understand it is to read a revised version which omits much content and turns it into a novel. I know you're an expert, since you're married to someone who has parents from the middle east and lived there for part of her life, but you're pretty far off here.

The hadith are not the same in Shia as in Sunni and are not Quran, so your comments in this post are vastly incorrect.
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No, im clearly not speaking of the books of Hadith ,im clearly speaking of the Quran itself, which over rides all verses within the books of Hadith & is the final word .

And no a revised version isnt a novel, There are revised versions of the Old Testament as well , are they novels ?
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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abandonconflict said:
Which you have never read, lack any understanding of, and failed to cite regarding your false claims of what it contains.

You cited three verses out of context which referred to specific historical battles in order to argue that the Quran commands violence against non-Muslims in general.

Now you're just moving the goalposts and claiming that you have Muslim friends in order to save face after making yourself out to be a bigot.
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Lol, you calling me a bigot.

You gonna keep misusing words like "bigot", "socialism", etc?

You know Muhammed married his wife when she was 9 (he was over 30) and consummated the marriage when she was 11?

Sounds like he was from Australia...
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Harrekin said:
What does "Hindu Kush" stand for and where did it come from?

Are you aware Muhammed was a warlord who started a religion after conquering two cities, and also a known pedophile?

I know LOTS of Muslim people, they're really decent folk and Ive called many my friend...but they were "bad Muslims" according to their book.
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ya mean, that book you clearly don't even understand in the least?

and why do you speak out against pedophilia here, when over in another thread you are giving likes to robroy who is stating that pedophilia can be consensual?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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panhead said:
Who is Albamaredneck ?
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tbonejack is our most gloriously sock-puppeted of members. never seen anyone create sock after sock like he has.

he started with wileycoyote.

then, it gets fuzzy on the order, but there was auburn1985. and alabamaredneck. and a couple others, all extremely racist.

then he went away for a while and came back slightly more toned down with hm murdoch, and therifleman.

and now he is the proud owner of his least racist/bigoted account yet, tbonejack. although he is still pretty bigoted.

i'm sure i forgot a few in there, but that's OK.
 
panhead

panhead

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UncleBuck said:
tbonejack is our most gloriously sock-puppeted of members. never seen anyone create sock after sock like he has.

he started with wileycoyote.

then, it gets fuzzy on the order, but there was auburn1985. and alabamaredneck. and a couple others, all extremely racist.

then he went away for a while and came back slightly more toned down with hm murdoch, and therifleman.

and now he is the proud owner of his least racist/bigoted account yet, tbonejack. although he is still pretty bigoted.

i'm sure i forgot a few in there, but that's OK.
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Jesus thats alot of socks , i saw a tnt thread the other day where another member was said to have like 5 different socks , i cant keep up with who's who anymore .

IDK why so many people start over all the time, im actually kinda proud of my start date as a member here .
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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Actually, I've told Uncle Buck several times that Tbone is not the same guy as those other accounts, but he doesn't want to believe me.

:mrgreen:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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rollitup said:
Actually, I've told Uncle Buck several times that Tbone is not the same guy as those other accounts, but he doesn't want to believe me.

:mrgreen:
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sorry, but the exact similarities in prose are more convincing than your word on this one. no hard feelings!

why else would a "new" member like tbonejack assume i am still growing in a greenhouse outdoors when it has been years since i did so?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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rollitup said:
Y'know, now that I look into it, I think you're absolutely correct.

:mrgreen:
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i honestly don't care if he stays or makes a 9th or 11th or 18th sock puppet. it's just funny watching him recycle the same old line of insults at me over and over and over again.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Harrekin said:
Lol, you calling me a bigot.

You gonna keep misusing words like "bigot", "socialism", etc?
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I'm not misusing, it is pretty fucking bigoted to think you know what a book is about though you've never read it, then go a step further with islamophobia.

Nice attempts at deflection though.
 
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