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Fogdog

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Red1966 said:
What is the difference between employing people and creating jobs? The Kochs created entirely new businesses, not just buying up old businesses. Calling the wealthy "entrepreneurs" doesn't negate that they are the ones offering jobs.
"Also, I was never given a job. I was offered a job" And you call me the tool? Where did anyone, especially me, say we should revere the wealthy? Once again, dishonestly misstating others statements.
Jeeez Dog, you are such a tool
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Good god man, you are slobbering all over yourself when discussing the Kochs. You masturbate to their photos. Or at least that's what people are saying about you. I haven't witnessed this myself but that's what people are saying.

Name one of the businesses in the Koch group that they started up from scratch. The people that started up the companies that the Koch bros eventually bought were the entrepreneurs. The Kochs are vulture capitalists. They buy companies then consolidate and make them more efficient. Not a bad thing per se but they don't create new jobs they also aren't very creative companies.

Consolidators and efficiency experts aren't all that creative. Name a new product that came from Koch that is a major technical advance in their industry.. They aren't growing jobs in their businesses at a useful rate either. They are just plain a drag to have around.
 
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Flaming Pie

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Fogdog said:
Good god man, you are slobbering all over yourself when discussing the Kochs. You masturbate to their photos. Or at least that's what people are saying about you. I haven't witnessed this myself but that's what people are saying.

Name one of the businesses in the Koch group that they started up from scratch. The people that started up the companies that the Koch bros eventually bought were the entrepreneurs. The Kochs are vulture capitalists. They buy companies then consolidate and make them more efficient. Not a bad thing per se but they don't create new jobs they also aren't very creative companies.

Consolidators and efficiency experts aren't all that creative. Name a new product that came from Koch that is a major technical advance in their industry.. They aren't growing jobs in their businesses at a useful rate either. They are just plain a drag to have around.
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I like you.
 
UncleBuck

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i bet if you looked at the numbers of jobs that existed in companies before the kochs bought them, and then looked at the number o jobs after the acquisition, it would turn out that the koch's actually reduce the number of jobs here in america.

anyone wanna take a wager on that?
 
Fogdog

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UncleBuck said:
i bet if you looked at the numbers of jobs that existed in companies before the kochs bought them, and then looked at the number o jobs after the acquisition, it would turn out that the koch's actually reduce the number of jobs here in america.

anyone wanna take a wager on that?
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That happened at Georgia Pacific. That's fact. GP will generate lots of cash but it will never be a healthy company in the sense that it will never innovate or grow much if at all. Eventually the Kochs will suck all the value out of the company and when innovators destabilize this industry, GP will fold up. Kochs win everybody else loses.The Kochs could have done worse but they are about as interesting as somebody sitting on the pot.
 
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Red1966

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Fogdog said:
Good god man, you are slobbering all over yourself when discussing the Kochs. You masturbate to their photos. Or at least that's what people are saying about you. I haven't witnessed this myself but that's what people are saying.

Name one of the businesses in the Koch group that they started up from scratch. The people that started up the companies that the Koch bros eventually bought were the entrepreneurs. The Kochs are vulture capitalists. They buy companies then consolidate and make them more efficient. Not a bad thing per se but they don't create new jobs they also aren't very creative companies.

Consolidators and efficiency experts aren't all that creative. Name a new product that came from Koch that is a major technical advance in their industry.. They aren't growing jobs in their businesses at a useful rate either. They are just plain a drag to have around.
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You hear voices nobody else hears. Funny how those voices seem to say only what you want to hear. When did "a major technical advance" become the definition of employment? Now go back to your "used treadmill empire"
 
Fogdog

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Red1966 said:
You hear voices nobody else hears. Funny how those voices seem to say only what you want to hear. When did "a major technical advance" become the definition of employment? Now go back to your "used treadmill empire"
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Was that your idea of an intelligent reply? Come on man, this was not worthy. Put your pictures down and focus, man.

Companies that stop innovating stop growing and eventually die. So, yes, a major technical advance is something to look for when considering a company's growth potential if they are in a technical industry. Not all innovation has to be technical but any healthy company innovates. Conversely, a lack of innovation indicates a lack of great leadership at the top, a company with limited employment opportunity and indicates that the best talent has already left the company. I'd find a whole lot of Reds diddling themselves over the thought of a one night stand with a Koch Bro, but nobody worth a shit.
 
Red1966

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Fogdog said:
Was that your idea of an intelligent reply? Come on man, this was not worthy. Put your pictures down and focus, man.

Companies that stop innovating stop growing and eventually die. So, yes, a major technical advance is something to look for when considering a company's growth potential if they are in a technical industry. Not all innovation has to be technical but any healthy company innovates. Conversely, a lack of innovation indicates a lack of great leadership at the top, a company with limited employment opportunity and indicates that the best talent has already left the company. I'd find a whole lot of Reds diddling themselves over the thought of a one night stand with a Koch Bro, but nobody worth a shit.
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Blah, blah, innovation, blah, blah. While innovation is a growth factor, Koch seems to be growing by leaps and bounds, so your claims are clearly untrue. Your strange obsession with sexual encounters with them seems a manifestation of latent homosexuality. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Sell any treadmills lately?
 
Red1966

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You know I have to put you on ignore now. I told you like a year ago that you don't get the privilege of speaking to me, puppet boy.
 
Fogdog

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Red1966 said:
Blah, blah, innovation, blah, blah. While innovation is a growth factor, Koch seems to be growing by leaps and bounds, so your claims are clearly untrue. Your strange obsession with sexual encounters with them seems a manifestation of latent homosexuality. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Sell any treadmills lately?
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Look, I'm sorry if I embarrassed you by telling you what other people are saying about you. I don't really care but I thought you should know. The Kochs will never really love you, they are only using you. Its for the best that you move on. But it is up to you.

The Kochs are accumulating and consolidating. Its good for them and somewhat useful to the economy but its more like the benefit that ancient Egypt got when grave robbers broke into tombs and brought the gold buried there back into the economy. They are good businessmen but not so good that I'd hold them up as some sort of paragon of virtue. More like paragon of vulture.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Red1966 said:
You know I have to put you on ignore now. I told you like a year ago that you don't get the privilege of speaking to me, puppet boy.
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Oh please be speaking of me when you say that. I'd consider it a favor.
 
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