Suicide
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sarah22
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im waiting to get into a therapy program, DBT (dialectical behaviour therapy). its supposed to have a lot of zen ideas in it...and it promotes the idea of oneness. its specifically designed for people that have my disorder. whats zen therapy like? do u have a link to some info?
sarah22
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then clearly you have never been seriously ill. walk a mile in a mental ill persons shoes and then tell me what you think...
sarah22
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pot has saved my life. it cuts down on my thoughts and urges big time...Heh, if you smoke pot I doubt you would want to commit suicide. So like, to people who want to kill them selves should just be smoking herb.
Like, I'm so faded right now, its just like, a perpetual 2 world living status. No need to kill myself, fer shure? Yea, fo sho.
chuckbane
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oh ive been ill, n' im not talking physically... and i dont need to walk a mile in anyones shoes i got my own to walk in thank you
shimmer
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Im not even going to read the thread but the only thing I have to say is suicide is for pussies who cannot face reality. Its a ignorant, arrogant fuckin cop out.
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"suicide is the cowards way out
that has always been my philosophy on suicide"
Those are some pretty hefty and unexamined conclusions to draw guys. Have you considered that by stigmatizing suicide in this way could make someone who is considering killing themselves feel even worse. By giving negative forms to already horrific feelings, the suicidal person may feel that by considering suicide he is a coward, a word with very powerful negative, and zero positive connotations to it. I could imagine this word being in the top 5 words a suicide is saying to themselves when they go down. Even insurance companies(where i'm from) will pay out on suicide, because even they understand the validity of depression sometimes being terminal.
I understand firsthand the utter horror of having someone you love kill themself, i would not wish that on anyone, and i thank God (Everywhere.She Be ) that my Mum didn't follow suit. If i had given birth to someone who killed themself, i don't think i could stand the resultant internal beating. My Mum has balls of steel, but she also had the benifit of knowing the devestation in it's most profound form that accompanies suicide. That knowledge empowers you not to take your own life in many cases because you have something that is more vital and alive than your own suffering, and that is the suffering of your loved ones. For a suicidal person to be unequipped with this experience, then the focus can remain on ending their own suffering, and their life.
Sunnysideup
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Wow, I never thought of depression like this....You gave me something to think about.
shimmer
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There was a really cool show on bbc2 i think, called extreme pilgrim. An English vicar goes on a spiritual journey to various parts of the world in search of a more holistic approach to being than he was getting doing his day job. He was at Zen/Chan monastery way up in the mountains. He clearly got a great result from his experience there. With regard to Zen therapy, one of the monks told him he wasn't well judging by his skin, he got stuck straight into him, made him hurt a bit, and made him all better. You could tell he was a deeper, happier guy for having spent time there.
Props to you in general NewGrowth.
chuckbane
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i may have come across as rude but i was just being blunt about it. life sucks, and it's hard but that doesnt mean you get to quit. Ive got no problem with euthanasia, but ending your life when you are not terminal is just pure cowardess to me.
there is nothing in your mind that you cannot conquer with strength.
Stoney McFried
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I usually believe this too...but it's your life to take,not anyone elses.It takes guts to try and end your very existence.No cowardice involved.
chuckbane
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cowardice,, thats the word i was looking for,, just like the other day when i used applicators instead of applicants,, someone probably though i was talking about tampons, lol
i still believe it is a cowardly move... i have had my fair share of ups and downs and any time i have personally contemplated it it has been because it would have been the easy way out... and the easy way out is for the weak coward.. just my opinion... you stay strong, you grit your teeth, you stiffen up that lip and you continue on. and doing that makes you a stronger and better person
i still believe it is a cowardly move... i have had my fair share of ups and downs and any time i have personally contemplated it it has been because it would have been the easy way out... and the easy way out is for the weak coward.. just my opinion... you stay strong, you grit your teeth, you stiffen up that lip and you continue on. and doing that makes you a stronger and better person
Stoney McFried
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EArlier in this thread I quoted a movie called white light black rain.A woman spoke of how, after being horribly burned in Hiroshima or Nagasaki,and losing their parents, her sister stepped in fromt of a train.A short time later, she tried to do the same.She couldn't.She said."It was then I realized, there were two kinds of courage.My sister had the courage to die.I had the courage to live."
Sunnysideup
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I read this earlier, and replied to it.....The part that got me was 'depression sometimes being terminal'
I thought about this, hard...I come from a couple different sides of this fence. I had a sister n law that committed suicide at the age of 24. I also had a sister that died from cancer at the age of 26...This phrase made me think that maybe BOTH of them were terminal....but, they are not the same. My sis n law DID have a choice, she had a choice to live or die, so I don't think she was terminal. My sister DIDN'T have a choice, she was going to die no matter what she did.
So I am putting that phrase into my debunk list....It isn't terminal, it is a choice...a stupid choice at that.
chuckbane
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courage is the ability to confront fear, pain, uncertainty, risk, danger, or intimidation.
i dont see how you can have to courage to die,, thats an oxymoron
Johnnyorganic
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Death is the ultimate unknown. Choosing death is not cowardice. If anything, the suicidal person disregards fear of the unknown in an attempt to end the unbearable pain they experience, yet cannot express without being called a whiner.
Your comments only serve to further stigmatize the mentally ill. Someone who has a diseased mind may look perfectly fine outwardly. They are not disabled by any logical measure. Everything is in place: two arms, two legs, eyesight, hearing, etc. It's all there, except for a healthy mind.
However, mental illness strikes with little warning and it is insidious. It is made worse by the fact that most mentally ill persons impose self-isolation on themselves, preventing friends and family from witnessing their steady decline. Rejecting help, it is usually a steady and disintegrating pattern as the circles get smaller and smaller.
The mentally ill are discriminated against all the time, especially when it comes to employment. No one is willing to hire a 'psycho.'
Telling a mentally ill person to 'buck up' or 'suck it up' is incredibly cruel. Telling them 'everybody hurts' just serves to remind them that they cannot deal with the everyday obstacles in life most people overcome.
Stoney McFried
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No,an oxymoron is a phrase or saying combining two terms that contradict each other.Coward and suicide, don't fit the bill.Sometimes, we are meant to die.There are all ways we can die.Sometimes by our own hands.The whole cowardly thing is just a load from western society and certain religions.Many other societies attach no stigma to suicide at all.Sometimes, they think of it as honorable.It doesn't make you a bad person.It's not wrong.It is YOUR life.If you choose to end it, fine.I don't know if you've ever attempted suicide, but it's very hard to fight down your natural survival response and do it.If you are in that much pain, and you want to end it, that's your choice.Here's an interesting article.Suicide (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
chuckbane
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now this is just coming down to a matter of difference in opinion... i just believe it to be a selfish cowardly act and i will tell you why
selfish - when you end your life you are making it easy for yourself never having to deal with anything again, but you are making everyone who knew and loved you sad and you make their life more difficult having to deal with your choice of death. that is selfish no matter which way you spin it.
coward - we were all put on this earth for a reason, and that was to live. by "giving up" when things become too difficult you become a coward, again no matter which way you spin it,, you have also "cheated" in the "game of life" by skipping right to the end. it would be nice if we could all just give up and die when we wanted,, but it doesnt work that way. we do have a purpose even though we may not know what it is
selfish - when you end your life you are making it easy for yourself never having to deal with anything again, but you are making everyone who knew and loved you sad and you make their life more difficult having to deal with your choice of death. that is selfish no matter which way you spin it.
coward - we were all put on this earth for a reason, and that was to live. by "giving up" when things become too difficult you become a coward, again no matter which way you spin it,, you have also "cheated" in the "game of life" by skipping right to the end. it would be nice if we could all just give up and die when we wanted,, but it doesnt work that way. we do have a purpose even though we may not know what it is
Dfunk
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I agree with Johnny & Stoney...it takes some serious courage to actually do it. I've tried in the past & it didn't work, wasn't easy, & I showed fear. Think about it - I think it's alot more difficult to blow your brains out, hang yourself, cut your wrists or anything else compared to getting up each day.