Another mass shooting by a muslim, walmart in texas.

Big_Lou

Big_Lou

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UncleBuck said:
how would you describe the half a million dead iraqi civilians?
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Or, you know, 2000 years of sick shit like the 'Crusades', various torturous inquisitions, executing thousands of children for 'playing around Pagan statues', etc.etc.etc.

It's sad to think that the trust/obey/control methodology is still so deeply ingrained in some of us....I thought/hoped that by now we'ed be flying through space with Spock and Worf, sigh....we're fucked...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ThickStemz said:
There seem to be at least two things going on here.

You seem to think a religions age is somehow determine to how violent it is. As if it has stages to go through. While there might be parallels you can draw you basically debunk this with your own claim about how Mormonism was born post enlightenment.

Second, we seem to mean different things when we talk about what Christianity is or what Islam is.

I can't make any comparison to the Christians today and the Christians from the 1600s. Why? Because the societies they have lived in are so different.

There was a period of time when Islam was very enlightened and interested in learning and advancement.

Those times are gone.

Christianity has gone through many epochs too. But it has lost so much power because of the textual criticism of its holy books, the same book that inspired Europe to burn witches today inspires soccer moms to get pissed when the teacher talks about evolution.

No where on Earth right now to my knowledge are there large groups of Christians wanting to kill people for lifestyle choices.

In living memory, Christians have fought each other over what type of Christian they were, but these aren't purely religious divisions.

Man, if you can't see that modern Islam and modern Christianity present two entirely different types of problems you're blind.

If you ask me, could the bible or the quoran both inspire violence at about an equal rate. I say yes. But Christianity isnt just the book and neither is Islam. They're also the societies in which they live.

They evolve through time. Right now, Christians aren't committing atrocious acts en mass. Even in recent flareups like northern Ireland, the worst days there were a calm day in Syria today.

Christianity and Islam neither exist in a vacuum. They have to be examined in the societies they live in.
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You: The problem is Islam!
Me: No, the problem is religion..
You: No, not all religions! Christianity isn't bad!
Me: Look at all these bad things Christians did..
You: Yeah, but that was hundreds of years ago though!
Me: So?
You: They're better now
Me: That doesn't matter, it still happened
You: Yeah but Muslims are worse though now
Me: Yeah, you're right, but both ideologies can clearly manifest through violence, so the problem is both of them. Religion itself is the problem
You: Nuh-uh! Islam is the problem!!

Yeah, you have fun with that
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
how would you describe the half a million dead iraqi civilians?
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Victims of terrorists. I don't know what other meaning you have.

To shorten this game, lets just get it clear right now. If you're implying that the US military is some sort of Christian organisation you couldn't be more wrong. Though I'm sure the plurality or majority of its members would claim Christianity as their religion, it does nothing to further any religion and noting because of any religions rules.
 
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ThickStemz

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Padawanbater2 said:
You: The problem is Islam!
Me: No, the problem is religion..
You: No, not all religions! Christianity isn't bad!
Me: Look at all these bad things Christians did..
You: Yeah, but that was hundreds of years ago though!
Me: So?
You: They're better now
Me: That doesn't matter, it still happened
You: Yeah but Muslims are worse though now
Me: Yeah, you're right, but both ideologies can clearly manifest through violence, so the problem is both of them. Religion itself is the problem
You: Nuh-uh! Islam is the problem!!

Yeah, you have fun with that
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I never said Christianity isnt bad. It is bad. It's aweful. Its responsible for holding our civilization back and zealous persecution of innocents.

It's like this.... If you were a doctor and i was a patient coming to see you, you notice i have 2 diseases. I have Ebola and HIV.

Are both leathal. Yes. Are they equally lethal. No.

If you're my in charge of making me healthy what do you treat? You treat the fucking Ebola.

To say Islam and Christianity are equal in this regard is simple ignorance.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ThickStemz said:
I never said Christianity isnt bad. It is bad. It's aweful. Its responsible for holding our civilization back and zealous persecution of innocents.

It's like this.... If you were a doctor and i was a patient coming to see you, you notice i have 2 diseases. I have Ebola and HIV.

Are both leathal. Yes. Are they equally lethal. No.

If you're my in charge of making me healthy what do you treat? You treat the fucking Ebola.

To say Islam and Christianity are equal in this regard is simple ignorance.
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You: Yeah but Muslims are worse though now
Me: Yeah, you're right, but both ideologies can clearly manifest through violence, so the problem is both of them. Religion itself is the problem
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I didn't say they're equal, I said Islam is worse and they are both dangerous because it's organized religion as a whole - the idea that you're right no matter what - that's the problem. That idea is nurtured in both Islam and Christianity.

You don't even accept the reasons why they themselves say they attack us, so how in the hell would you ever realistically expect to be able to solve anything? Total eradication is out of the question and you refuse to acknowledge what would actually work because it goes contrary to your political beliefs, so all you're left with is failed foreign policy that's been attempted before.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
You: The problem is Islam!
Me: No, the problem is religion..
You: No, not all religions! Christianity isn't bad!
Me: Look at all these bad things Christians did..
You: Yeah, but that was hundreds of years ago though!
Me: So?
You: They're better now
Me: That doesn't matter, it still happened
You: Yeah but Muslims are worse though now
Me: Yeah, you're right, but both ideologies can clearly manifest through violence, so the problem is both of them. Religion itself is the problem
You: Nuh-uh! Islam is the problem!!

Yeah, you have fun with that
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This exact argument can be made against government... Government is also the problem following your logic.
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
so now the united states is a terrorist?



nah, it's just composed of 75% christians and was sent to iraq pointlessly by a born again christian who thinks that god talks to him.

no way it could be confused for christian.
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What are you talking about?

Bill Clinton wasn't that religious of an president. He is the one that started making the case for regime change. Bush just followed a Democrat plan.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ThickStemz said:
What are you talking about?

Bill Clinton wasn't that religious of an president. He is the one that started making the case for regime change. Bush just followed a Democrat plan.
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and now we see the complete revisionist history take hold.

for the record, regime change was not the reason for the pointless conflict in iraq. it was WMDs. regime change became one of the evolving justifications after we didn't find any WMDs.

you may have learned this in a college history course, had you not dropped out in order to indulge your heroin habit, and steal from your parents to fund the addiction.
 
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ThickStemz

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UncleBuck said:
and now we see the complete revisionist history take hold.

for the record, regime change was not the reason for the pointless conflict in iraq. it was WMDs. regime change became one of the evolving justifications after we didn't find any WMDs.

you may have learned this in a college history course, had you not dropped out in order to indulge your heroin habit, and steal from your parents to fund the addiction.
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Where do you get these random life facts that you attribute to me?

Anyway, international law recognizes 4 reasons a state can lose its soverignty.

Genocide, signatories to the treaty are required to act to prevent or punish.

The nonproliferation issue, Iraq flirted with this quite a bit.

Repeated hostilities against ones neighbors. Iraq threatened its neighbors constantly.

And state sponsor of international terrorism. When we walked back the dog in Iraq's money trail we completely unraveled and exposed the A Q Khan network.

Iraq was guilty on all 4 brances. Bush did the only thing he could do, he followed the law and Clinton's stated policy of regime change in Iraq.

You have to be an absolute idiot to think that Just because we didn't find the wmd (and we did find a lot of evidence of wmd) that they were never there.

Iraq was the private property of a sadistic crime family intent upon having these weapons. He did have them and he did use them on his own people. Even if the WMD issue was completely as you say, we were totally justified in taking him out.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Padawanbater2 said:
What did the western world look like in 1400AD? Islam is 600 years older than Christianity and the west underwent the renaissance and the enlightenment centuries after Christianity had been widely adopted, so there was a good 15 centuries of nothing but violence.

If it's a false equivalency to compare Islam with Christianity, then why are you comparing Islam with Christianity? What don't you get about the fact that it's not the flavor of bullshit you're drinking, it's the drink itself that's the problem, and until people stop drinking it in every flavor, shit like this will continue to happen.

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No. Islam is not 600 years older than Christianity.

By 380 AD, Christianity was the official religion in multiple areas of the world. Islam started in 610 AD.
 
Kalonji

Kalonji

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ThickStemz said:
Victims of terrorists. I don't know what other meaning you have.

lets just get it clear right now.
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The ass clown least capable of a critical thought suggests "get it clear". How would you recognize any clear thinking? Are you fucking joking? Your posts are a garble of idiot racist nonsense, inflated with the bloated tone of an intellectually impoverished bigot PLEASE GTFOH
 
Kalonji

Kalonji

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ThickStemz said:
Where do you get these random life facts that you attribute to me?

Anyway, international law recognizes 4 reasons a state can lose its soverignty.

Genocide, signatories to the treaty are required to act to prevent or punish.

The nonproliferation issue, Iraq flirted with this quite a bit.

Repeated hostilities against ones neighbors. Iraq threatened its neighbors constantly.

And state sponsor of international terrorism. When we walked back the dog in Iraq's money trail we completely unraveled and exposed the A Q Khan network.

Iraq was guilty on all 4 brances. Bush did the only thing he could do, he followed the law and Clinton's stated policy of regime change in Iraq.

You have to be an absolute idiot to think that Just because we didn't find the wmd (and we did find a lot of evidence of wmd) that they were never there.

Iraq was the private property of a sadistic crime family intent upon having these weapons. He did have them and he did use them on his own people. Even if the WMD issue was completely as you say, we were totally justified in taking him out.
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Another fecal feast of idiocy. TS you've hit your idiot quotient for the day
 
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