Marijuana wins big on election night

What do you think about all this legalization?

  • Trump won't let it happen

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Good for us!

    Votes: 9 39.1%
  • Bad for us...

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Is Pinny back yet?

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • Has anyone seen Buck? I'm getting a little worried...

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Total voters
    23

tyler.durden

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Wow. Recreational is Massachusetts, Nevada, and Cali. What are your thoughts?


The 2016 election could be the beginning of the end for marijuana prohibition


California has long been seen as a bellwether by both supporters and opponents of marijuana reform. The state is home to about 12 percent of the U.S. population. Given the size of the state's economy and the economic impact of the marijuana industry there, California's adoption of legal marijuana could prompt federal authorities to rethink their decades-long prohibition on the use of marijuana.

[A casino magnate is spending millions to fight legal marijuana in three states]

In a recent interview with Bill Maher, President Obama said that passage of the legalization measures on tuesday could make the current federal approach to the drug “untenable.”

Still, the likelihood of a Trump White House leaves a lot of uncertainty about the fate of marijuana measures in the next four years. Under Obama, federal authorities largely took a hands-off approach to state-level legalization efforts. But an incoming administration more skeptical of drug reform could easily reverse that approach.

“The prospect of Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christie as attorney general does not bode well,” the Drug Policy Alliance's Nadelmann said in an interview. “There are various ways in which a hostile White House could trip things up.”

Nadelmann pointed to the success of marijuana measures in the midst of an evident Republican wave as a sign that support for legalization now cuts deeply across party lines. And citing Trump's often contradictory statements on marijuana and drug use in the past, Nadelmann added that “Donald Trump personally could probably go any which way on this.”

With today's votes, legal marijuana is also making significant inroads in the Northeast. “Marijuana legalization has arrived on the East Coast,” said Tom Angell of the marijuana reform group Marijuana Majority in an email. “What Colorado and other states have already done is generating revenue, creating jobs and reducing crime, so it’s not surprising that voters in more places are eager to end prohibition.”

Opponents of legalization said they were disappointed by the outcomes. “We were outspent greatly in both California and Massachusetts, so this loss is disappointing, but not wholly unexpected,” said Kevin Sabet of the anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana in a statement. “Despite having gained considerable ground in the last few weeks, the out-of-state interests determined to make money off of legalization put in too much money to overcome.”

Votes on medical marijuana in Florida and North Dakota were decisive. Florida's Amendment 2 passed with 71 percent support, according to the Associated Press. In North Dakota, the AP reports that 64 percent of voters approving of the medical marijuana measure.

[One striking chart shows why pharma companies are fighting legal marijuana]

Two years ago, a medical marijuana measure in Florida earned 58 percent of the vote, just shy of the 60 percent threshold needed for passage. Then, as now, opposition to the measure was fueled by multimillion-dollar donations from Sheldon Adelson, the Las Vegas casino magnate and GOP donor. In 2014 Adelson spent $5.5 million to defeat the measure. This year he's spent $1.5 million in Florida, and several million more to defeat recreational marijuana measures in other states.

“This is a major tipping point,” said Tom Angell of Florida's vote. “With Florida's decision, a majority of states in the U.S. now have laws allowing patients to find relief with medical marijuana, and these protections and programs are no longer concentrated in certain regions of the country like the West and Northeast.”

The victory in North Dakota is something of a surprise as no polling was done on the measure.

The Florida amendment has the potential to be one of the more permissive medical marijuana regimes in the nation. In addition to diseases like HIV, cancer and PTSD, the measure also allows doctors to recommend medical pot for “other debilitating medical conditions of the same kind or class as or comparable to those enumerated, and for which a physician believes that the medical use of marijuana would likely outweigh the potential health risks for a patient.” While the 2014 measure allowed doctors to prescribe marijuana for any illness they believed it would be useful for, the new measure requires they show the illness is severe — though the wording gives physicians considerable leeway in determining which conditions would meet those criteria.

The medical pot measure in North Dakota allows doctors to recommend the drug for a number of severe medical conditions.

With the passage of Amendment 2, Florida will become the first Southern state to enact a robust medical marijuana regime. Medical marijuana is already legal in 25 other states and the District.

“Better late than never,” said Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the drug reform group Drug Policy Alliance, in a statement. “Most states outside the South already have legal medical marijuana, but the overwhelming victory today in Florida is likely to accelerate the momentum for reform throughout the region.”
 

tyler.durden

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Want a lucrative job with a pension, health care, paid time off and good medical benefits in a 420 friendly environment? The CA DCA Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation is recruiting soon.
I'm so ignorant about this. If a State is making recreational legal, why worry about that State's MMJ regulation? Can't the patient simply buy without a card? Please explain it to me like I'm 12 ;)
 
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curious2garden

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Staff member
So, it costs more money for the med patient to purchase recreationally than medically, I take it. Are people allowed to grow their own when a State goes recreational? Don't you love that I'm attempting to educate myself via TNT instead of simply looking all this up on my own? The latter wouldn't be as entertaining for any of us ;)
I'm saying the state is, finally, setting itself up to benefit from Cannabis and everything is going to get more expensive and inconveniently convoluted for awhile until it shakes out and the bureaucracy figures out how much of this grab it can, legally, hold and how best to profit from it.

For as conflicted about it as I am I would much rather be a cash cow to the state than to the prison system. I think leaving us free and handling us like ants handle aphids is a more civilized relationship for all. Killing or maiming the host beyond a certain point, serves no one.
 

tyler.durden

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That's my accurate and congenitally skeptical Annie, right on as usual
She should have her own national radio or TV show entitled, 'Ask Annie'. It would be one of the most intelligent, informative, caustic, and hilarious broadcasts around. Maybe RIU could start an internet talk radio station that would let qualified members host shows in their own expertise. I'd love to hear most of you regulars host. Love him or hate him, everyone would tune into Uncle Buck night. By the by, has anyone seen him today? I'm worried...
 
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420God

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She should have her own national radio or TV show entitled, 'Ask Annie'. It would be one of the most intelligent, informative, caustic, and hilarious broadcasts around. Maybe RIU could start an internet talk radio station that would let qualified members host shows in their own expertise. I'd love to hear most of you regulars host. Love him or hate him, everyone would tune into Uncle Buck night. By the by, has anyone seen him today? I'm worried...
He just made a couple posts in politics. Didn't say much though.
 

twostrokenut

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I'm saying the state is, finally, setting itself up to benefit from Cannabis and everything is going to get more expensive and inconveniently convoluted for awhile until it shakes out and the bureaucracy figures out how much of this grab it can, legally, hold and how best to profit from it.

For as conflicted about it as I am I would much rather be a cash cow to the state than to the prison system. I think leaving us free and handling us like ants handle aphids is a more civilized relationship for all. Killing or maiming the host beyond a certain point, serves no one.
My understanding is that Med and Rec are separate in Cali. Is that not accurate? Med users and growers have a different standard than Rec users who have no recommendations to cover more than one ounce.
 

Hookabelly

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I'm so ignorant about this. If a State is making recreational legal, why worry about that State's MMJ regulation? Can't the patient simply buy without a card? Please explain it to me like I'm 12 ;)
Because while the states support/decide, the Federal gov. wants to shut it down. at least that's how it is here in WA. Big arguments about where the $$ comes and goes. Federal or State.
 

tyler.durden

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Because while the states support/decide, the Federal gov. wants to shut it down. at least that's how it is here in WA. Big arguments about where the $$ comes and goes. Federal or State.
If the Fed wants some of the money, they'd have to take it off schedule 1 status, right? Are the dispensaries not selling while this is in limbo, or is it business as usual for now in WA?
 

Hookabelly

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If the Fed wants some of the money, they'd have to take it off schedule 1 status, right? Are the dispensaries not selling while this is in limbo, or is it business as usual for now in WA?
It's business as usual, though every time you visit a dispensary they are having inventory probs (not too bad) and the Fed. keeps threatening to shut them down. It just goes back and fourth in the courts.
 
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