GreenLegend420
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I dont take anything personal my man. I might get heated every now and then but its all good lol
Archive Seed Bank
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CannaBruh
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IF you are finding it hard to believe, the beefs in the industry, take a look at the music industry and samples and rythms and progressions that get copied and tied in courts.
Take a loot at how many strains today infringe on legal products be it likeness or outright a copy of a trade-name.
I see many youtube guys posting videos with music that I know for a fact they did not create. Did they pay those content creators? Did they even thank them? Lots of shady shit goes on, where's the line Jan?
Patents give you a right to sue, they don't prevent anyone from copying you, in fact it's a fucking road map.
Take a loot at how many strains today infringe on legal products be it likeness or outright a copy of a trade-name.
I see many youtube guys posting videos with music that I know for a fact they did not create. Did they pay those content creators? Did they even thank them? Lots of shady shit goes on, where's the line Jan?
Patents give you a right to sue, they don't prevent anyone from copying you, in fact it's a fucking road map.
MistaRasta
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Meanwhile you're over in the inhouse thread showing off your 50 pack collection of untested 100$ ogkb and animal cookie chucks..
Lmao.
Vato_504
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Like time I checked I didn't spend a fucking dime of your money. Maybe you should start chucking so I can buy 50 packs of your untested garbage.
Observe & Report
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I have to hand it to the Docta, he's either a master troll or he's a real piece of work.
All that bluster about "SELECTION POOLS", and "200+ plant populations", and lamenting if pathetic tent breeders "just did their own work and selection pools and got out of the fucking tent, they wouldn't need to use Dosidos, or stardawg, or whatever else... they'd have their OWN SHIT". [1] Care to guess where his prize stud Face OFF OG, the sire of the coveted Do-Si-Dos, the genetics he is basing his entire company on, found in all but one cross on his menu, comes from? You were correct if you guessed "six bag seeds". [2]
While we were treated to rhetoric about working lines, Do-Si-Dos doesn't even come from lines worked by the Good Docta. Dosidos is OGKB, not bred by the Docta but used with permission, chucked with Face Off OG BX, also not bred by the Docta. "BX'ing", for those who have only asked questions online and haven't actually read a book about breeding, is an advanced technique used by breeders to iteratively produce males that are progressively closer genetically to the bag seed that they didn't breed so as to more faithfully rip off someone else's work. Did he get permission to BX and use this male commercially from the original breeder? Does he even know who the original breeder is? I don't care and neither does Docta, but he sure cares when other people use his genetics, even when they aren't his.
Which gets us to the other thing Docta is most well known for, his beef with Rare Dankness. Docta brought this up as recently as last week, so he hasn't moved on. [3][4] Summary: he is miffed that he gave Moonshine a bunch of cuts with what he believed was some sort of "gentleman's agreement" and the upshot was he unintentionally "contributed some of my genetics to their line up." Those genetics being the Face Off OG #4 bag seed mother of all of Archive, Triangle Kush, Poison OG, Williams Wonder, Skywalker OG, Dogshit, Norcal and SoCal Cat Piss, Sour OG, Albert Walker, FLO, HP13. [5] I imagine this gentleman's agreement in Tha Doctas mind went a little like this: "My dear chum, please enjoy this bounty of cuts I didn't make and intend to use as the basis of an extensive breeding program, but you are not to release any crosses with them lest you wish to be branded for life as an ungentlemanly scoundrel."
After my brief interaction with Tha Docta and learning all of this I'm glad, in a sense, that I bought a pack of IHG Do-lato. When I bought it I had no clue about Archive or Dosidos. Maybe because I stopped paying attention to the HTCC when they started having it ten times a year. I had heard of Gelato, however. When I searched Dosidos I didn't find much info about it that might have led me to its origins. Now I know why I had a hard time even today finding info about Dosidos and Archive. It's because Archive Seed Bank has opted out of all of the search engines! "LMAO"
No sales, no marketing, and customer abuse is a legit business strategy but it's a risky one for sure. I wish Tha Docta the best of luck in his continuing endeavors. However, I suspect that a few short years after federal legalization Tha Docta will still be doing the same thing he's doing now and having fantasies about being an ultra premium brand like Gucci [6] while Leo of Aficionado, one of the breeders mentioned here that Docta hasn't dissed yet, is going to be quenching cotton mouth with Krug in the back of his Citation en route to an LVMH board meeting.
So Docta: it's not to late to turn yourself around, pick up some landrace genetics, pop some 200+ plant populations, and make your OWN SHIT. Then you wouldn't need to chuck around with other people's tent breeds and bag seeds like Sour Diesel, Urkle, GG#4, NorCal Cat Piss, and Forum Cookies. Bodhi has Zipolite Oaxacan and Acapulco Gold out right now, only $70 for both, and would surely hook a fellow breeder up with others from his fridge with, get this, no strings attached!
[1] http://rollitup.org/t/archive-seed-bank.862496/page-37#post-13442177
[2] http://www.archiveseedbank.com/seeds/face-off-bx2/
[3] https://www.instagram.com/p/BSFbRm7l--h/?taken-by=archiveseedbank
[4] https://www.instagram.com/p/BQPW33aBuMU/?taken-by=archiveseedbank
[5] http://rollitup.org/t/rare-dankness-rd-genetics.509817/page-146#post-8681043
[6] http://rollitup.org/t/archive-seed-bank.862496/page-37#post-13442177
All that bluster about "SELECTION POOLS", and "200+ plant populations", and lamenting if pathetic tent breeders "just did their own work and selection pools and got out of the fucking tent, they wouldn't need to use Dosidos, or stardawg, or whatever else... they'd have their OWN SHIT". [1] Care to guess where his prize stud Face OFF OG, the sire of the coveted Do-Si-Dos, the genetics he is basing his entire company on, found in all but one cross on his menu, comes from? You were correct if you guessed "six bag seeds". [2]
While we were treated to rhetoric about working lines, Do-Si-Dos doesn't even come from lines worked by the Good Docta. Dosidos is OGKB, not bred by the Docta but used with permission, chucked with Face Off OG BX, also not bred by the Docta. "BX'ing", for those who have only asked questions online and haven't actually read a book about breeding, is an advanced technique used by breeders to iteratively produce males that are progressively closer genetically to the bag seed that they didn't breed so as to more faithfully rip off someone else's work. Did he get permission to BX and use this male commercially from the original breeder? Does he even know who the original breeder is? I don't care and neither does Docta, but he sure cares when other people use his genetics, even when they aren't his.
Which gets us to the other thing Docta is most well known for, his beef with Rare Dankness. Docta brought this up as recently as last week, so he hasn't moved on. [3][4] Summary: he is miffed that he gave Moonshine a bunch of cuts with what he believed was some sort of "gentleman's agreement" and the upshot was he unintentionally "contributed some of my genetics to their line up." Those genetics being the Face Off OG #4 bag seed mother of all of Archive, Triangle Kush, Poison OG, Williams Wonder, Skywalker OG, Dogshit, Norcal and SoCal Cat Piss, Sour OG, Albert Walker, FLO, HP13. [5] I imagine this gentleman's agreement in Tha Doctas mind went a little like this: "My dear chum, please enjoy this bounty of cuts I didn't make and intend to use as the basis of an extensive breeding program, but you are not to release any crosses with them lest you wish to be branded for life as an ungentlemanly scoundrel."
After my brief interaction with Tha Docta and learning all of this I'm glad, in a sense, that I bought a pack of IHG Do-lato. When I bought it I had no clue about Archive or Dosidos. Maybe because I stopped paying attention to the HTCC when they started having it ten times a year. I had heard of Gelato, however. When I searched Dosidos I didn't find much info about it that might have led me to its origins. Now I know why I had a hard time even today finding info about Dosidos and Archive. It's because Archive Seed Bank has opted out of all of the search engines! "LMAO"
No sales, no marketing, and customer abuse is a legit business strategy but it's a risky one for sure. I wish Tha Docta the best of luck in his continuing endeavors. However, I suspect that a few short years after federal legalization Tha Docta will still be doing the same thing he's doing now and having fantasies about being an ultra premium brand like Gucci [6] while Leo of Aficionado, one of the breeders mentioned here that Docta hasn't dissed yet, is going to be quenching cotton mouth with Krug in the back of his Citation en route to an LVMH board meeting.
So Docta: it's not to late to turn yourself around, pick up some landrace genetics, pop some 200+ plant populations, and make your OWN SHIT. Then you wouldn't need to chuck around with other people's tent breeds and bag seeds like Sour Diesel, Urkle, GG#4, NorCal Cat Piss, and Forum Cookies. Bodhi has Zipolite Oaxacan and Acapulco Gold out right now, only $70 for both, and would surely hook a fellow breeder up with others from his fridge with, get this, no strings attached!
[1] http://rollitup.org/t/archive-seed-bank.862496/page-37#post-13442177
[2] http://www.archiveseedbank.com/seeds/face-off-bx2/
[3] https://www.instagram.com/p/BSFbRm7l--h/?taken-by=archiveseedbank
[4] https://www.instagram.com/p/BQPW33aBuMU/?taken-by=archiveseedbank
[5] http://rollitup.org/t/rare-dankness-rd-genetics.509817/page-146#post-8681043
[6] http://rollitup.org/t/archive-seed-bank.862496/page-37#post-13442177
Vato_504
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Read like a mini movie script. Excellent work my brother. That's why it's good to remain humble.
Odin*
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Was he wearing an examplary wig at the time? I feel as though that would legitimize it some.
Lightgreen2k
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How bout this.
Get the clone yourself
Put years into work yourself
You speak of social media, thats the problem He does not Have to prove to you anything period. You either want it at that price or dont.
How long have you been in the seed game, 2 years. I ask this because Not to long ago you could Not get seeds like this widely available.
Lightgreen2k
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In the midts of evething this shit right here "my dear chum, please enjoy this bounty of cuts"..
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Had me Rolf..
GreenLegend420
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What the hell are you talking about? Im not in any seed game.
If anyone thinks its wrong to ask for pics of the plant that the $200 pack seed will produce before they buy, then you my friend are just a archive ass kisser.
And thats nothing personal to you.
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Lightgreen2k
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When I say in the seed game it means making purchases. By the way you talk I know you have only been buying seeds for 6 months to three years. ( 2 years really) what does that have to do with anything you may ask or anyone elese that has been purchasing seeds.
It has always been this price point from american breeders plus +/- 100.
An oz goes for $250 avg. The seed works out $20.
So no im not an ass kisser, just a person that has been purchasing seeds for years without hermie plants.
I have never seen you on any of the canna forums piror to 2016? Where you in 2012 times when dosidos came out?
Where you when Loompa released Yetti Bx for almost $200 in 2011.
Everyone can afford these, it might take you 6 months to save up your check, but that is what it is...
Like I said all you JONNY-COME-LATELys
new to the Canna scene/ I seen (not you in specific) but a lot commenting here.. You just started, I would Never trade my super rare genetics from top tier breeders..
Like archive I have not posted half of what I have.. But you can find my postings and me on Ig..
On attitude seedbank the pics show up of the cross you are buying from archive..
Ig Ig Ig Ig. (Good old days piror to Ig ) Show less....
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GreenLegend420
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My man i bought my first pack of seeds in 2005. I just started coming to the forums when seeds starting moving inside the US to keep up with the drops and such.
I dont care if its joe blow from this forum. If joe blow post pics of some fire and offers pack ill scoop them. Im not into politics of breeding either. Its between joe blow and whoever the stuff he is using where it came from.
tstick
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Damn! I never even got an answer to the question I asked about "any good HashBar OG phenos?"...lol!
Oh well....I guess I'll find out soon enough!
In my experience, almost any genetic line can have some fire phenos coming out of it. Just look to the Chemdawg story to understand the randomness. One stupid, little bag seed ended up containing one of the most powerful gene pools in all of modern breeding! And then the GSC line was another example. You'd think that by now almost all the genetics would be producing nothing but fire...but it isn't that way. I suspect that a breeder could do their best to select the phenos that look right and grow well....but it's still not a 100% guarantee that those selected phenos will be better (or even as good) as the parent stock they came from. Sometimes, one side of the gene pool will even cancel-out some of the fire traits of the other...or create an unpleasant terpene profile, overall.
That's why I just pop one bean per strain and see what happens after it's been grown, flowered, dried and cured. I will cut clones, of course...just in case. But for me, a small-time, personal-use grower, I can't really afford to pop packs of seeds at a time and potentially waste a bunch of plants just because one or two don't grow as well as the others in veg...or because one produces smaller flowers, etc. I take what I get each time and make the most of it.
I went into Archive and bought my pack of seeds (HashBar OG) and I also picked up some flower to smoke while I was there. I nabbed a RudeBoi OG that I wasn't impressed with at all...and also picked up some White Tahoe Cookies that was absolutely delicious! Based upon that experience, alone, I wouldn't be interested in getting anything with the RudeBoi genetics...but definitely would be interested in the White Tahoe Cookies genetics. So, that, to me, is a better way of selecting plants than looking at a picture.
I've heard good things about the Dosi-Do strain...but have never tasted it.
Oh well....I guess I'll find out soon enough!
In my experience, almost any genetic line can have some fire phenos coming out of it. Just look to the Chemdawg story to understand the randomness. One stupid, little bag seed ended up containing one of the most powerful gene pools in all of modern breeding! And then the GSC line was another example. You'd think that by now almost all the genetics would be producing nothing but fire...but it isn't that way. I suspect that a breeder could do their best to select the phenos that look right and grow well....but it's still not a 100% guarantee that those selected phenos will be better (or even as good) as the parent stock they came from. Sometimes, one side of the gene pool will even cancel-out some of the fire traits of the other...or create an unpleasant terpene profile, overall.
That's why I just pop one bean per strain and see what happens after it's been grown, flowered, dried and cured. I will cut clones, of course...just in case. But for me, a small-time, personal-use grower, I can't really afford to pop packs of seeds at a time and potentially waste a bunch of plants just because one or two don't grow as well as the others in veg...or because one produces smaller flowers, etc. I take what I get each time and make the most of it.
I went into Archive and bought my pack of seeds (HashBar OG) and I also picked up some flower to smoke while I was there. I nabbed a RudeBoi OG that I wasn't impressed with at all...and also picked up some White Tahoe Cookies that was absolutely delicious! Based upon that experience, alone, I wouldn't be interested in getting anything with the RudeBoi genetics...but definitely would be interested in the White Tahoe Cookies genetics. So, that, to me, is a better way of selecting plants than looking at a picture.
I've heard good things about the Dosi-Do strain...but have never tasted it.
Lightgreen2k
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Really you have been purchasing seeds since 2005, I should ask who and how you got them? I dont care for no green house seeds either.
The seeds have been coming into the usa since the start of these forums years ago. Like if you where here back then, you would know the dr's work and what to expect. You have not been on the cannaforums. You are new, stop bitching about his work. you either want it or dont. this goes out to everyone.
Either want it or dont simple. Grommer had a pack and obviously archive has winners if he can start a seed company.
Sounds like you want some seeds.. I have pack opened of white tahoe cookies ( what you want 4 of them) I might open my original face of bx seeds (want a few of those too)..
What else you need a tissue for all this crying. I'm with the shits...
kaka420
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Or how about this...
get an invite to the private underground clone trading board (amazing people). collect every elite clone freely offered by the professionals on the board. Then proceed to dust your males to the community clones. Profit. Rinse, repeat.
I like the docta and I've enjoyed the face off when I smoked it. It doesn't take a rocket science to realize he's not testing everything so when he does his ego stroke it gets a little silly. I'll still buy his seeds though, but I only run hoarded clones.
GreenLegend420
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Lol i said i came in the forums when seeds started moving INSIDE the US. I was growing before Arjan was "buying" trophys from high times. So no im not new.
Arjans SLH and lemon skunk was good though but he supposedly got the lemon from dna who supposedly got it from vegas so i guess they're both thieves too right? And anyone else who using the lemon?
Ive never doubted archive either. I dont know why you think that. If sin city or nspecta or bohdi or anyone makes a drop without pics or anything i would question why. Nothing wrong with that it doesnt matter how long theyve been breeding.
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Thefarmer12
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I don't see why its a big deal to question a breeder on his price point. It was Archive that came in with the hostility and name calling. But when you over price things you should expect to be questioned why? Just like the Loompa and Gage Greens before him. Only difference is he is choosing to pick fights with the people lining his pockets.
I understand some can afford a Mercedes and some can afford a Toyota Camry but that isn't the point. I can afford all the 200 dollar packs I want doesn't mean I can't ask why? And I don't buy that it is to "cover the costs of business". Why then are the other packs $100? Don't you have to cover the cost for those? Either way it really doesn't matter it is his choice but he shouldn't be excused from being asked why...
We all know he brings the fire. Doesn't mean he should have his dick ridden and put on a pedestal when he comes in here insulting everyone. Some people just weren't meant to run a business...
It really does bum me out cause his work is some of the best and how I wanted to model my breeding. Ill definitely not be modeling my customer interactions the same though..lol. I can see why he defends Greedyline now they must have gone to the same business classes.
I understand some can afford a Mercedes and some can afford a Toyota Camry but that isn't the point. I can afford all the 200 dollar packs I want doesn't mean I can't ask why? And I don't buy that it is to "cover the costs of business". Why then are the other packs $100? Don't you have to cover the cost for those? Either way it really doesn't matter it is his choice but he shouldn't be excused from being asked why...
We all know he brings the fire. Doesn't mean he should have his dick ridden and put on a pedestal when he comes in here insulting everyone. Some people just weren't meant to run a business...
It really does bum me out cause his work is some of the best and how I wanted to model my breeding. Ill definitely not be modeling my customer interactions the same though..lol. I can see why he defends Greedyline now they must have gone to the same business classes.
Lightgreen2k
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You keep saying 200 is over priced. thats the real issue. You feel 200 is over priced. admit it. Everything you have been saying is about his prices. stop crying.
$200 is very inexpensive for seeds.
$350 dying breed medium
$500 afficando is high
Unrelased seeds and being thr breeders friend is best.
Even if seeds where $1000, you can make clones and have this plant for years and years.
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Observe & Report
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You folks comparing Archive to Gucci, Mercedes, and Hermes are delusional. In addition to providing excellent customer service, those companies use the best materials in their product. Basing your entire breeding operation off seeds your friend found in a bag of weed he didn't grow is like making purses out of stray dog leather. Maybe the custies can't tell the difference after you've tanned and colored the hides with the finest dyes available that your friends hooked you up with, but it still doesn't qualify as premium goods that command a premium price.