Almost 1/3 of all homicides in my county 2010-16 were police killings

Flowki

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No, he's actually quite right. Educating women in third world countries as to their reproductive options has been shown to be the single most effective way to reduce birth rates.

But you'd know that if you studied. Watching a few videos on YouTube doesn't qualify as research.
Doing a study on something does not exempt it from traits of sexism, even if it is the ''single most effective way''. The mind set of many men in developing and even developed country's, reinforced by society, is that they are more able to have sex with a women and then leave her with the aftermath or main responsibility of that child's emotional and financial well being. How about we also tackle that blatant lack of respect and responsibility?.. rather than sticking women on the pill (has side effects) because it's the ''easy fix''. Should women be schooled to be the sole responsible party for both male and female contraception in mutual intercourse?. Give me all the study's you want, claiming that it is women who need the education is out right sexist. They both need it, regardless of what is statistically ''more effective''. It's irresponsible to lay responsibility on one party. What do those statistics say of gender separation and social decline this kind of mentality inflicts?. Look around, the evidence is everywhere.

I do agree with stoners points in those effected country's (along with yours) but it is only one side of the coin. It is just as important young boys get educated on matters of respect for women.. and the responsibility they must play in pregnancy and new life. Because remind me, who is it who is keeping these girls/women down?.


I think smart and well educated women are sexy too.

Now you were saying something about poor people and contaminated bloodlines or was that earlier post of yours just a cry for help?
Twisting and lying, I kinda asked for that response. Now that you got that out your system..
 
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Justin-case

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Which groups are disproportionately represented at the bottom of the economic scale? Minorites. Therefore, economic policies that aim to improve the financial situation of those at the bottom of the wealth and income scale are going to disproportionately benefit minorities. That's why helping the poor is a very pro-minority approach.

Do you ever think anymore before shooting off your mouth? Before you became a sycophant of the Buck 'let's hate on everyone who thinks for themselves' crowd, you used to actually have some good insights.

I'm flattered...But, It's hard to put a price tag on four hundred years of oppression.

Are you familiar with Colin kaepernick? A good example of a black man that was paid as much his white counterparts, but is no longer employed. Not because of his performance, but because of his choice to protest the murders of innocent black men by law enforcement officers. You can throw money at a lot our problems, but not this one.
 

ttystikk

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I'm flattered...But, It's hard to put a price tag on four hundred years of oppression.

Are you familiar with Colin kaepernick? A good example of a black man that was paid as much his white counterparts, but is no longer employed. Not because of his performance, but because of his choice to protest the murders of innocent black men by law enforcement officers. You can throw money at a lot our problems, but not this one.
Let's start with the 99% of people whose problems we CAN solve, and boycott the NFL until they pull their heads out of their asses.
 

Fogdog

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Doing a study on something does not exempt it from traits of sexism, even if it is the ''single most effective way''. The mind set of many men in developing and even developed country's, reinforced by society, is that they are more able to have sex with a women and then leave her with the aftermath or main responsibility of that child's emotional and financial well being. How about we also tackle that blatant lack of respect and responsibility?.. rather than sticking women on the pill (has side effects) because it's the ''easy fix''. Should women be schooled to be the sole responsible party for both male and female contraception in mutual intercourse?. Give me all the study's you want, claiming that it is women who need the education is out right sexist. They both need it, regardless of what is statistically ''more effective''. It's irresponsible to lay responsibility on one party. What do those statistics say of gender separation and social decline this kind of mentality inflicts?. Look around, the evidence is everywhere.

I do agree with stoners points in those effected country's (along with yours) but it is only one side of the coin. It is just as important young boys get educated on matters of respect for women.. and the responsibility they must play in pregnancy and new life. Because remind me, who is it who is keeping these girls/women down?.




Twisting and lying, I kinda asked for that response. Now that you got that out your system..
Educated women are valuable to the family in their earning capacity. Also, with an income of their own, they have the power to say no. For society, educating women expands the work force.

Agree that men in many societies disrespect women's role of mother, even though it's the most important one for the continuance of a healthy society. Educating women levels economic power in the relationship with one benefit being that sex is truly consensual. Which not only makes it better but also gives the woman the power to say "no" or to say "wrap that rascal".

In many countries, only boys go to school. Just saying, equal educational opportunity is beneficial in so many ways.

Regardless of the reason, educated women bear fewer children. This is known.

Now, about that stuff regarding contaminated bloodlines. WTF are you getting at?
 

ttystikk

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saw a comment on youtube today that said:

"It's strange that policeman would get fired more for making jokes about shooting black people getting killed; then police who actually kill black people don't get fired."
And that's an insightful, not to say deeply disturbing, commentary on our society today.

We are really coming apart at the seams.
 

Rob Roy

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@StonerCol makes a very strong argument in favour of education. The one caveat I'd add is that there is a big difference between education and indoctrination.

We need education, which brings awareness and enlightenment in the service of free will and personal agency.

We don't need indoctrination, which only seems to co-opt the individual into a certain, usually extreme, mode of thinking.

If "education" is forcibly funded and mandatory attendance is a feature, it can't possibly be about free will can it ?

If you don't think indoctrination is needed, you're right.
 

Flowki

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Educated women are valuable to the family in their earning capacity. Also, with an income of their own, they have the power to say no. For society, educating women expands the work force.
I am not questioning the economical aspect of this. But I do wonder, the power to say no to what?, no to a mans demands or no to having children they can not support?. More women do expand the work force, it's a good thing ofc.

Agree that men in many societies disrespect women's role of mother, even though it's the most important one for the continuance of a healthy society. Educating women levels economic power in the relationship with one benefit being that sex is truly consensual. Which not only makes it better but also gives the woman the power to say "no" or to say "wrap that rascal".
Women in almost every country are disrespected or undermined in almost every aspect, socially, sexually, physically, mentally and economically. This is the true root of equality problems, ''educating women'' or ''giving them contraceptive measures'' is just fixes for the results of a man rigged society. Don't get me wrong, men and women are not ''equal'' in a mirror image sense, on many levels. We have obvious differences that should factually be acknowledged, but not to be manipulated and used to leverage inequality. The pay gap between men and women is an easy example.

I strongly disagree that economic playing field is the grounds for consensual or responsible sex. I may have misinterpreted your use of the word economic there but money has nothing to do with a women's ability to say no, exceptions aside. A women who has no education or income is perfectly smart and able enough to say no, if a man/partner continues via pressurizing/black mailing her to get his way... that is HIS fault, not hers. Educating women will not stop a man asserting dominance over a women (or vice verse). That would suggest only poor uneducated women are subject to being pressurized, raped or domestically abused.. because they are too ''dumb'' to stop it.


In many countries, only boys go to school. Just saying, equal educational opportunity is beneficial in so many ways.

Regardless of the reason, educated women bear fewer children. This is known.
I agree both going to school is beneficial. But what you need to understand is that just because a boy is going to school and being educated, it is highly likely across the world he is not being properly educated on matters of equality and the things I discussed earlier.

The dominant reason why educated women bare less children is because they are too busy working or are trying to climb up a career ladder. It is essentially economical castration. Hopefully below will add more to this on why populations don't fall.

Now, about that stuff regarding contaminated bloodlines. WTF are you getting at?
You have the complete wrong end of the stick here. Statistics of a country's population mostly look at what is considered ''native'' people of said country (the immigration figures are usually lied about for political reasons). As I went on to say.. the notion of ''native'' is laughable as people over centuries have been dipping it in every pot they could, a ''American'' for example may be racist toward immigrants yet his own bloodline is guaranteed a cluster fuck of mixed heritage. Back on point. If the stats say Germany's population is falling I can almost guarantee you it is of two main things. Work has ended and people are leaving (if a short term spike), or.. the economy is at the tail end of the coal>oil boom and economy thus population is lowering and leveling out to the new sustainable level. If enough ''natives'' leave or stop having children, yet the country still requires more work force than is currently being met, migrants will come in and pick up tools. Over a few generations those migrants children or children's children will inevitably (you'd hope) mix and settle with the local population having mixed race children. Those children are now considered natives by birth right.. the population of Germany rises a little. This was all in response to the ludicrous postings that civilized country's will essentially one day have no children in them.
 
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StonerCol

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Then why is there such a brutal war on education?
Because the 1% know that education is a danger to them and their kind. The 99% that need/want education, once enlightened, will want a different system of running things.
Even the 1% want education it's just that they go to private schools and the Ivy League colleges or the likes of Oxford/Cambridge in the UK. The average school in Alabama, for example, struggles for supplies because there is no money put into their education.
The rich want everyone to pay for their own education. They are right wing mostly and don't want the State to pay for things. They still need people to be educated to a certain degree though because they need workers/drones for their businesses.
 

Fogdog

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I am not questioning the economical aspect of this. But I do wonder, the power to say no to what?, no to a mans demands or no to having children they can not support?. More women do expand the work force, it's a good thing ofc.



Women in almost every country are disrespected or undermined in almost every aspect, socially, sexually, physically, mentally and economically. This is the true root of equality problems, ''educating women'' or ''giving them contraceptive measures'' is just fixes for the results of a man rigged society. Don't get me wrong, men and women are not ''equal'' in a mirror image sense, on many levels. We have obvious differences that should factually be acknowledged, but not to be manipulated and used to leverage inequality. The pay gap between men and women is an easy example.

I strongly disagree that economic playing field is the grounds for consensual or responsible sex. I may have misinterpreted your use of the word economic there but money has nothing to do with a women's ability to say no, exceptions aside. A women who has no education or income is perfectly smart and able enough to say no, if a man/partner continues via pressurizing/black mailing her to get his way... that is HIS fault, not hers. Educating women will not stop a man asserting dominance over a women (or vice verse). That would suggest only poor uneducated women are subject to being pressurized, raped or domestically abused.. because they are too ''dumb'' to stop it.




I agree both going to school is beneficial. But what you need to understand is that just because a boy is going to school and being educated, it is highly likely across the world he is not being properly educated on matters of equality and the things I discussed earlier.

The dominant reason why educated women bare less children is because they are too busy working or are trying to climb up a career ladder. It is essentially economical castration. Hopefully below will add more to this on why populations don't fall.
Hooboy. Wall of text.

Hopefully a picture can be worth a thousand words


Reason this out how you like. When women are better educated, they have fewer children. This is a fact and can't really be debated.

http://www.earth-policy.org/data_highlights/2011/highlights13
Female education is especially important. Research consistently shows that women who are empowered through education tend to have fewer children and have them later. If and when they do become mothers, they tend to be healthier and raise healthier children, who then also stay in school longer. They earn more money with which to support their families, and contribute more to their communities’ economic growth. Indeed, educating girls can transform whole communities.


In another article which looks at birth rates in Ethiopia, Ghana and Kenya, they found the same relationship. Women without secondary education had about 6 children. Women with secondary education had between 2 and 3 children.

http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/female-education-and-childbearing-closer-look-data
Female education has a greater impact on age of marriage and delayed fertility than male education. Although fertility falls when both male and female levels of education rise together, there is a large gap between male and female secondary school enrollment in sub-Saharan Africa. Achieving gender parity in educational attainment could thus have a substantial effect on fertility rates.
 

ttystikk

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Then why is there such a brutal war on education?
Class warfare. If the upper classes are the only ones with an education, it's easier to control the rest.

No one needs a billion dollars. Look at what the ultra rich are doing with their money; wrecking our democracy, buying our politicians, buying themselves tax cuts and exemptions from paying them, building loopholes to avoid insurance taxes, wars for profit. GREED, GREED AND MORE GREED.

The time has come to put a stop to accumulative neoliberal capitalism, before it destroys our country and the planet.
 

ttystikk

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I am not questioning the economical aspect of this. But I do wonder, the power to say no to what?, no to a mans demands or no to having children they can not support?. More women do expand the work force, it's a good thing ofc.



Women in almost every country are disrespected or undermined in almost every aspect, socially, sexually, physically, mentally and economically. This is the true root of equality problems, ''educating women'' or ''giving them contraceptive measures'' is just fixes for the results of a man rigged society. Don't get me wrong, men and women are not ''equal'' in a mirror image sense, on many levels. We have obvious differences that should factually be acknowledged, but not to be manipulated and used to leverage inequality. The pay gap between men and women is an easy example.

I strongly disagree that economic playing field is the grounds for consensual or responsible sex. I may have misinterpreted your use of the word economic there but money has nothing to do with a women's ability to say no, exceptions aside. A women who has no education or income is perfectly smart and able enough to say no, if a man/partner continues via pressurizing/black mailing her to get his way... that is HIS fault, not hers. Educating women will not stop a man asserting dominance over a women (or vice verse). That would suggest only poor uneducated women are subject to being pressurized, raped or domestically abused.. because they are too ''dumb'' to stop it.




I agree both going to school is beneficial. But what you need to understand is that just because a boy is going to school and being educated, it is highly likely across the world he is not being properly educated on matters of equality and the things I discussed earlier.

The dominant reason why educated women bare less children is because they are too busy working or are trying to climb up a career ladder. It is essentially economical castration. Hopefully below will add more to this on why populations don't fall.



You have the complete wrong end of the stick here. Statistics of a country's population mostly look at what is considered ''native'' people of said country (the immigration figures are usually lied about for political reasons). As I went on to say.. the notion of ''native'' is laughable as people over centuries have been dipping it in every pot they could, a ''American'' for example may be racist toward immigrants yet his own bloodline is guaranteed a cluster fuck of mixed heritage. Back on point. If the stats say Germany's population is falling I can almost guarantee you it is of two main things. Work has ended and people are leaving (if a short term spike), or.. the economy is at the tail end of the coal>oil boom and economy thus population is lowering and leveling out to the new sustainable level. If enough ''natives'' leave or stop having children, yet the country still requires more work force than is currently being met, migrants will come in and pick up tools. Over a few generations those migrants children or children's children will inevitably (you'd hope) mix and settle with the local population having mixed race children. Those children are now considered natives by birth right.. the population of Germany rises a little. This was all in response to the ludicrous postings that civilized country's will essentially one day have no children in them.
Pro tip; if it takes more than 3 paragraphs to make your point, there's probably something wrong with your logic.

You assert that an uneducated women has choices. That's out and out bullshit. She does not because she depends on men for her livelihood. If he wants kids- that she's then responsible for raising- that's what happens.

For the third time, pretty much every argument you bring in support of the notion that greater wealth and education does not reduce birthrates is incorrect and does not square with the facts on the ground.
 

greg nr

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If he wants kids- that she's then responsible for
Agree, but would replace the word "kids" with the word "sex". Men control sex in the third world, woman don't. Woman aren't even supposed to enjoy it (think female genital mutilation), just comply. Kids are a side effect in many cases, though they are another way to control woman.
 
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