Progressive Party **Official Thread**

[Fogdog]

What tactic would you suppose is more likely to get racists to realize the flaws in logic that lead them to demonize others; stifling their free speech, getting them ostracized within their communities or in online social media, taking away their livelihood by notifying their employers of their beliefs, or actually listening to them, understanding how their unreasonable grievances were constructed and trying to find rational solutions and ways to combat those problems before they start?

This clip shows you what works. This guy befriended members of the KKK after they threatened his and his families life. He successfully changed the minds of dug in, entrenched racists who were already members of the KKK and got them to denounce their ignorant beliefs. This one man, through his actions did that;

Daryl Davis is another man who did the same;

Show me one single instance of success berating and abusing people with abhorrent beliefs has brought. It has never happened in history. It has only caused violence and cost innocent lives and served as kindle to the racism fire. In other words; it only makes things worse..


Clarify what you mean by "suppress racists". What tactics does that encompass? How are you suggesting racists be suppressed? Because what you're doing now to "suppress racists" is only inflaming them and making the issue much worse, especially for the minorities facing the racism..

I agree with you about educating children to not be racist

Right. As the evidence shows, that doesn't work. You calling someone a racist does not "shut them down", it only encourages them to dig their heels in and disagree with you more adamantly. It has the complete opposite effect you say you're shooting for... So why do you insist on continuing a failed tactic that does not accomplish the goal you yourself claimed to strive for?

Like St0w said, you do it for the kudos, not for actual change

Sorry but you are wrong.

I include your claim that suppressing racism and educating children doesn't work. It does. Post war Germany to today has shown greater improvement in reducing racism among German people than in the US over the same timeframe. Look it up. They have policies in place to limit racist and bigoted speech and behavior. It works. Germany is a free society, so this claim of tyranny is false. Also, look at countries with tyrannical government. They exploit and foster the very beliefs you are defending.

I posted a graphic earlier showing that racist belief is constant across all age groups of white people. The pbs news hour article provides convincing evidence that the last 50 years or so has been a total failure in reducing the belief in racism and their effect on black people.

What you are arguing for is status quo, which is basically going to preserve your white privilege class status. But that's OK, let your Saint Bernard soothe your fragile white ego by telling you how tired "people" are regarding this issue. He ignores it too.

 

[Padawanbater2]

so if i have been doing it all wrong, why have you not been cupping the racists' balls and figuring out why they are so racist and fixing them the right way?

i want to see your method in action.

I have broken through to some of the members you call racist because I'm not a dick to them and I try to understand where they're coming from and why they believe the things they believe, regardless of how offensive I might personally find it. I know that calling them an asshole isn't going to make them change - which IS actually my goal.

 

[Justin-case]

Hush little racist don't say a word...

Pada's going to buy you a mocking bird...

 

[Justin-case]

If that mocking bird doesn't sing...

Pada's going to buy you a duct tape ring...

 

[Chunky Stool]

If that mocking bird doesn't sing...

Pada's going to buy you a duct tape ring*...

* - cock ring

 

[Justin-case]

You might be on to something pada. Maybe we should win those racist over, then when they least expect it we tape their assholes open, and just ass fuck the racist right out of them. Problem solved, somebody gets off, and nobody gets called names.

 

[Fogdog]

I have broken through to some of the members you call racist because I'm not a dick to them and I try to understand where they're coming from and why they believe the things they believe, regardless of how offensive I might personally find it. I know that calling them an asshole isn't going to make them change - which IS actually my goal.

Sure, you are a saint just like your leader. What then three? Southern CA (my guess).

Tell you what, why don't you just move down to Mississippi and try it down there. Or maybe Alabama. Tell us how it goes.

Meanwhile some policies that would do more than anything you propose:

The need to close the funding gap between majority white schools and schools that are majority students of color, as well as the gap between rich schools and poor schools should be immediately obvious. A baby bond program could ease not just the racial wealth gap, but the deep-class divide in asset ownership. And any racial justice policy must include full employment. These programs need not be framed as part of a racial justice agenda. Rather, they are part of an opportunity agenda, for all Americans, white, Black or Latino.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/americas-racism-problem-far-complicated-think

These are proactive social policies that can affect a lot more to address racial disparity in a shorter amount of time than offering hugs at white rights political rallies. They will be fought tooth and nail by racists as well as their patricians in the Republican party.

This won't change racial attitudes but address its affects. As I say, racism must be confronted.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Sure, you are a saint just like your leader. What then three? Southern CA (my guess).

Tell you what, why don't you just move down to Mississippi and try it down there. Or maybe Alabama. Tell us how it goes.

Same with promoting more liberal Democrats like they say is the way to political nirvana.

Try that in Mississippi and Alabama.

Some areas are just incorrigible.

Try again in 2065

 

[schuylaar]

Sure, you are a saint just like your leader. What then three? Southern CA (my guess).

Tell you what, why don't you just move down to Mississippi and try it down there. Or maybe Alabama. Tell us how it goes.

Meanwhile some policies that would do more than anything you propose:

The need to close the funding gap between majority white schools and schools that are majority students of color, as well as the gap between rich schools and poor schools should be immediately obvious. A baby bond program could ease not just the racial wealth gap, but the deep-class divide in asset ownership. And any racial justice policy must include full employment. These programs need not be framed as part of a racial justice agenda. Rather, they are part of an opportunity agenda, for all Americans, white, Black or Latino.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/americas-racism-problem-far-complicated-think

These are proactive social policies that can affect a lot more to address racial disparity in a shorter amount of time than offering hugs at white rights political rallies. They will be fought tooth and nail by racists as well as their patricians in the Republican party.

This won't change racial attitudes but address its affects. As I say, racism must be confronted.

don't you live in baltimore? it only works if you live there.

 

[abandonconflict]

This is all fine and good, just understand that you are actually part of the problem, and drop the act that you give a shit about racism. Your little rants have more to do with "likes" and pats on the back from your club members than they do with trying to change anything.

Carry on....

Hey, remember that time you suggested that black people do not know what is in their interests and that they rejected Bernard just because they are all homophobic and antisemitic?

Pepperidge Farms remembers...

 

[abandonconflict]

You can "call out" anyone you want. We're simply saying that the reasons you state yourself for "calling out" these people ultimately leads to opposite outcomes. "Calling out" racists only intensifies racism. "Calling out" racists has never worked, not even one time, in ultimately suppressing or ending racism; only understanding why people are racist and addressing those factors, like income and wealth inequality and the systemic racism inherent in the war on drugs have helped suppress the factors that cause racism.

Please explain again why you think more is expected of you just because you're a white guy,

 

[st0wandgrow]

Meanwhile some policies that would do more than anything you propose:

The need to close the funding gap between majority white schools and schools that are majority students of color, as well as the gap between rich schools and poor schools should be immediately obvious. A baby bond program could ease not just the racial wealth gap, but the deep-class divide in asset ownership. And any racial justice policy must include full employment. These programs need not be framed as part of a racial justice agenda. Rather, they are part of an opportunity agenda, for all Americans, white, Black or Latino.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/americas-racism-problem-far-complicated-think

These are proactive social policies that can affect a lot more to address racial disparity in a shorter amount of time than offering hugs at white rights political rallies. They will be fought tooth and nail by racists as well as their patricians in the Republican party.

This won't change racial attitudes but address its affects. As I say, racism must be confronted.

Now you’re moving the goalposts. Where did anyone say that those ideas from the pbs article wouldn’t work?? What was said is that the tactic employed here by you, buck, and others of calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything towards helping with racism. It just makes you feel better to do it. Period.

 

[abandonconflict]

Now you’re moving the goalposts. Where did anyone say that those ideas from the pbs article wouldn’t work?? What was said is that the tactic employed here by you, buck, and others of calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything towards helping with racism. It just makes you feel better to do it. Period.

Oh look, a white guy doesn't want to be reminded that racism exists...

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Hey, remember that time you suggested that black people do not know what is in their interests and that they rejected Bernard just because they are all homophobic and antisemitic?

Pepperidge Farms remembers...

But Schuylaar knows that blacks knew exactly what they were doing when they failed to vote for Hillary in the same proportion as they did Obama. Nothing patronizing about this at all. Schuylaar cares about blacks, the whole herd.

 

[londonfog]

I have broken through to some of the members you call racist because I'm not a dick to them and I try to understand where they're coming from and why they believe the things they believe, regardless of how offensive I might personally find it. I know that calling them an asshole isn't going to make them change - which IS actually my goal.

Hold up wait a minute
Whats this bullshit you now spinning,
Do tell how you try to understand a racist. Please explain the understanding of where they are coming from. Share with us what you found out about what they believe. Do you have the same tolerance for rapist ? what about pedophiles ?

 

[Fogdog]

Now you’re moving the goalposts. Where did anyone say that those ideas from the pbs article wouldn’t work?? What was said is that the tactic employed here by you, buck, and others of calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything towards helping with racism. It just makes you feel better to do it. Period.

White supremacists consider any policies that address inequality anathema. If you think running those policies through won't become politically and geographically racially charged you don't understand the situation.

Bernie doesn't address racial inequality either. So there is the nub of the difference between us. I would confront racism on a social and economic level and you would sit down at an empty campfire (because no racists would show up) and sing kumbaya while criticizing any assertive action about racism because feelz.

 

[Fogdog]

don't you live in baltimore? it only works if you live there.

I know you can't understand this but Mississippi is different from Southern CA. In any case, @Padawanbater2 describes how in a conversation he convinced two or three people to change their attitude towards racism. I know you can't understand this but did he really? Or did they just say what he wanted them to because they had to go pee and he wouldn't shut the fuck up. It was more of a bladder agreement in my estimation than some come to Jesus moment.

Come to think of it, Pad does have a Jesus complex so he would think he converted a sinner, LOL.

 

[st0wandgrow]

White supremacists consider any policies that address inequality anathema. If you think running those policies through won't become politically and geographically racially charged you don't understand the situation.

Bernie doesn't address racial inequality either. So there is the nub of the difference between us. I would confront racism on a social and economic level and you would sit down at an empty campfire (because no racists would show up) and sing kumbaya while criticizing any assertive action about racism because feelz.

You should write a sternly worded letter to Senator Sanders imploring him to take to social media and call racists “fat, ugly, racist cucks”. Clearly that would advance the cause of equality much more than him wasting his time fighting for universal healthcare and a living wage.

 

[Fogdog]

You should write a sternly worded letter to Senator Sanders imploring him to take to social media and call racists “fat, ugly, racist cucks”. Clearly that would advance the cause of equality much more than him wasting his time fighting for universal healthcare and a living wage.

Tell me how addressing racial injustice economically or socially won't get racists into a lather. How do we end racism without confronting it? Oh yeah, but putting our arm around a hooded robed person carrying a torch and telling him how you understand and would he like a coffee to talk about it.

But I'd like you to provide me with an example of where in the world racism and racial inequality were meaningfully addressed -- not one-off you-tube videos but a significant shift in an entire society by the methods you demand I agree to. Please provide something that is well documented.

I present post-war Germany as my example of how suppression of racist speech and behavior made meaningful change. Not done yet but meaningful change. Google it or ask and I'll spoon feed it to you.

 

[schuylaar]

I know you can't understand this but Mississippi is different from Southern CA. In any case, @Padawanbater2 describes how in a conversation he convinced two or three people to change their attitude towards racism. I know you can't understand this but did he really? Or did they just say what he wanted them to because they had to go pee and he wouldn't shut the fuck up. It was more of a bladder agreement in my estimation than some come to Jesus moment.

Come to think of it, Pad does have a Jesus complex so he would think he converted a sinner, LOL.

omg..who even thinks like this?