Twitter users bully woman into committing suicide for branding her homophobic

[ginjawarrior]

So,

Lets talk about this self hate you have for gay or bi men. How long has it been since you recognized that you are a dirty person and 154

pretending there is not a problem does not make it go away

pretending there is not a problem does not mean other people can make their own minds up about it

burying your head in the sand helps nothing or one

do you really think it helps gay men pretending there isnt a problem?

or is keeping quiet about it just to help gay porn stars?

i used the 11.4% from earlier on sadly its higher
205 times the heterosexual rate

Results: The estimated HIV prevalence among MSM in the United States in 2012 was 15.0% (666,900/4,452,772), the diagnosed HIV prevalence in 2012 was 11.1% (493,453/4,452,772), and the new diagnosis rate for 2013 was 0.7 per 100 MSM.

http://publichealth.jmir.org/2016/1/e22/

 

[ginjawarrior]

I'm calling bs on all of it. You focus on this perceived risk as if it is real. It is not real. That number that you hyperventilate over goes away when the porn performer follows safe sex practices and test protocols. You basically say nobody can be trusted to follow them. I'd say if that's true then nobody is safe because even a heterosexual performer introduces unacceptable risk if they ignore safety protocols. You are focusing on the gay man when it doesn't really matter. If the porn industry is rife with people who disregard safety then all is lost.

i gave a situation where both a gay porn star and a heterosexual porn star have sex out side of profession

it does happen

just when heterosexual people do it there isnt as much of a problem with hiv

the gay community accept those risks and also pays the price heavily because of the really high hiv rates

i dont think its fair to demand heterosexual people accept those risks too

 

[Fogdog]

pretending there is not a problem does not make it go away

pretending there is not a problem does not mean other people can make their own minds up about it

burying your head in the sand helps nothing or one

do you really think it helps gay men pretending there isnt a problem?

or is keeping quiet about it just to help gay porn stars?

i used the 11.4% from earlier on sadly its higher
205 times the heterosexual rate
http://publichealth.jmir.org/2016/1/e22/

histrionic much?

I was just poking at you knowing I'd get a reaction. I wasn't being nice when I said that. My apologies.

This doesn't change the fact that your entire hypothesis about gay men in the porn industry is they will not follow safety protocol. That's fucked up. If they don't then others aren't either. If that's true, then nobody is safe and nobody should work without wrappers on those rascals.

Getting back to the original post, my assertion stands as well. Anybody who felt their livelihood was affected by the deceased's tweet "don't cha know" was perfectly within their rights to say so.

 

[ginjawarrior]

histrionic much?

I was just poking at you knowing I'd get a reaction. I wasn't being nice when I said that. My apologies.

This doesn't change the fact that your entire hypothesis about gay men in the porn industry is they will not follow safety protocol. That's fucked up. If they don't then others aren't either. If that's true, then nobody is safe and nobody should work without wrappers on those rascals.

i never singled out gay men alone for not folowing protocols can you please stop putting words into my mouth

they are human just like everyone else. there is nothing about butt sex that makes someone a better or worse person at doing anything

Getting back to the original post, my assertion stands as well. Anybody who felt their livelihood was affected by the deceased's tweet "don't cha know" was perfectly within their rights to say so.

 

[Fogdog]

i never singled out gay men alone for not folowing protocols can you please stop putting words into my mouth

they are human just like everyone else. there is nothing about butt sex that makes someone a better or worse person at doing anything

You keep quoting a perceived higher risk that vanishes if people follow safety procedures. This jumbles any statistical assumptions you make. You say "it happens". OK then, doesn't the actual risk depend the on the individual, on how many and how often? What the actress (and apparently you) said was she felt gay men were unacceptably higher risk and even made a point of saying so to others with her "don't cha know" tweet. The fact is actual risk is not known. Her perceived risk was put out there as if it were valid. Any gay and bisexual men who felt they were the object of an unfair criticism had every right to speak out.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You keep quoting a perceived higher risk that vanishes if people follow safety procedures. This jumbles any statistical assumptions you make. You say "it happens". OK then, doesn't the actual risk depend the on the individual, on how many and how often? What the actress (and apparently you) said was she felt gay men were unacceptably higher risk and even made a point of saying so to others with her "don't cha know" tweet. The fact is actual risk is not known. Her perceived risk was put out there as if it were valid. Any gay and bisexual men who felt they were the object of an unfair criticism had every right to speak out.

“I hadn't yet learned about the stigma of 'crossover' male performers (those who have done both gay and straight porn),” he says.


The source of such stigma, he says come from the different rules about condom use and STI testing explaining that most straight porn requires frequent STI testing but no condom use, whereas gay porn requires condoms but no testing – although there are exceptions to both these rules.

After participating in group sex videos with both men and women, where he says all performers were tested, he claims he almost got blacklisted from working with girls from several agencies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/danny-wylde-porn-star-movies-sex-work-stigma-gay-scenes-why-leave-adult-film-industry-a7613336.html

you still dont get it that it is perfectly reasonable for her to warn people about the agent lying about the scene and that it would be crossovers

the women who are happy to sleep with them would have continued doing so

the women who made the descision not to sleep with them would have been thankful to know

 

[Fogdog]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/danny-wylde-porn-star-movies-sex-work-stigma-gay-scenes-why-leave-adult-film-industry-a7613336.html

you still dont get it that it is perfectly reasonable for her to warn people about the agent lying about the scene and that it would be crossovers

the women who are happy to sleep with them would have continued doing so

the women who made the descision not to sleep with them would have been thankful to know

Good article and it seems that you found something that bolsters your point. I read it and it raised more questions than answered.

I'm the one who doesn't get it?

The crossover stigma is a perceived risk not an actual one. From that same article:

“When I listened to many people talk about why they were against 'crossover' performers, it seemed to have more to do with homophobia than anything else. But whatever. People have the right to have sex with whoever they want. If my attraction to men bums someone out, we don't have to have sex,” he says.

In the article he said gay men are using condoms which I would think you have to admit are pretty much the standard for safe sex. What isn't clear in that article is when a crossover performer works bareback in a straight scene, wouldn't he have to follow testing protocols before working? In any case, while he recognized the stigma as homophobic he also said it's up to the performer, a sentiment upon which we agree.

From a different article:

in 2013, three performers — Cameron Bay, her boyfriend Rod Daily, and a third actor whose identity remains unknown — were found to be HIV-positive. There was nothing to indicate the transmission occurred while filming porn (even as the news caused a media hailstorm), Christian Mann, general manager of Evil Angel Productions, told ABC News. In fact, he said he believed we discovered they were infected because of adult industry testing protocols.

Nevertheless, the three cases prompted the FSC to announce new rules for monitoring STDs on-set. These included mandatory STD testing every 14 days rather than every 28 days — not only for HIV but also for chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, hepatitis B and C, and trichomonal infection. Furthermore, porn actors were now mandated to get tested every 14 days rather than every 28.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/keeping-porn-stars-healthy-look-behind-scenes-americas-x-rated-industry-363810

In the article you that posted we learned that stigma did exist. In the opinion of the person interviewed, he thought the stigma was based upon homophobia (there's that word again). From the article its unclear whether he was still working in 2013. In the Medical Daily article, after 2013 testing of porn actors is done every 14 days, also the rules for testing don't differentiate gay porn from straight porn.

From the article you posted, in the opinion of the man who was interviewed, your claim of higher risk is due to homophobia. From the Medical Daily article, three cases of HIV were found in 2013 in porn performers and nothing since but testing is actively used at a higher than normally recommended rate of every 14 days.

What you are going on and on about is a stigma that is laid upon gay and bisexual men who work in the porn industry without any good reason.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Good article and it seems that you found something that bolsters your point. I read it and it raised more questions than answered.

I'm the one who doesn't get it?

The crossover stigma is a perceived risk not an actual one. From that same article:

“When I listened to many people talk about why they were against 'crossover' performers, it seemed to have more to do with homophobia than anything else. But whatever. People have the right to have sex with whoever they want. If my attraction to men bums someone out, we don't have to have sex,” he says.

In the article he said gay men are using condoms which I would think you have to admit are pretty much the standard for safe sex. What isn't clear in that article is when a crossover performer works bareback in a straight scene, wouldn't he have to follow testing protocols before working? In any case, while he recognized the stigma as homophobic he also said it's up to the performer, a sentiment upon which we agree.

From a different article:

in 2013, three performers — Cameron Bay, her boyfriend Rod Daily, and a third actor whose identity remains unknown — were found to be HIV-positive. There was nothing to indicate the transmission occurred while filming porn (even as the news caused a media hailstorm), Christian Mann, general manager of Evil Angel Productions, told ABC News. In fact, he said he believed we discovered they were infected because of adult industry testing protocols.

Nevertheless, the three cases prompted the FSC to announce new rules for monitoring STDs on-set. These included mandatory STD testing every 14 days rather than every 28 days — not only for HIV but also for chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, hepatitis B and C, and trichomonal infection. Furthermore, porn actors were now mandated to get tested every 14 days rather than every 28.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/keeping-porn-stars-healthy-look-behind-scenes-americas-x-rated-industry-363810

In the article you that posted we learned that stigma did exist. In the opinion of the person interviewed, he thought the stigma was based upon homophobia (there's that word again). From the article its unclear whether he was still working in 2013. In the Medical Daily article, after 2013 testing of porn actors is done every 14 days, also the rules for testing don't differentiate gay porn from straight porn.

From the article you posted, in the opinion of the man who was interviewed, your claim of higher risk is due to homophobia.

no he he didnt mention anything about risk just the veiws of "many" not "most" not all

When I listened to many people talk about why they were against 'crossover' performers, it seemed to have more to do with homophobia than anything else. But whatever. People have the right to have sex with whoever they want. If my attraction to men bums someone out, we don't have to have sex,” he says.

From the Medical Daily article, three cases of HIV were found in 2013 in porn performers and nothing since but testing is actively used at a higher than normally recommended rate of every 14 days.

What you are going on and on about is a stigma that is laid upon gay and bisexual men who work in the porn industry without any good reason.

A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) could change the way the adult film industry works to prevent HIV transmission.

The CDC report details the case of patient A, a 25-year-old male performer who recently tested positive for HIV and rectal gonorrhea. Patient A was experiencing typical symptoms associated with acute HIV infection at the time of his examination, including rash, fever, and sore throat. And yet, just 10 days prior, he tested negative for HIV.

This prompted an investigation into the partners' patient A had contact with between the time he received his negative result and his recent examination. Of the 17 named sexual contacts, the CDC found six were chronically HIV-infected; one had sexual contact with patient A before patient A was infected; and 10 were at risk for infection by patient A." And of the seven of 10 partners patient A had unprotected sex with, two became infected.

........

Adult film production companies first check a database to ensure the performers they hire have had a recent negative test before filming, the CDC said. But to partially protect performer privacy, production companies are only informed of whether a performer is cleared to perform (or not) on the basis of test results. Since patient A's onset didn't occur until 10 days after his negative test, companies hired him to perform in "bareback films," which involve condom-less anal sex among male performers. This, unfortunately, is only the beginning of the problem, the CDC said.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/porn-star-hiv-testing-transmission-373504

 

[ginjawarrior]

What you are going on and on about is a stigma that is laid upon gay and bisexual men who work in the porn industry without any good reason.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6505a3.htm?s_cid=mm6505a3_e

you should pobably read the cdc report itself

 

[UncleBuck]

Jones is a run of the mill establishment Democratic candidate, like Hillary Clinton was.... If Jones loses to Moore, it'll be because he wasn't progressive enough.

heh.

 

[Padawanbater2]

So much for the theory Dem's can't win in red states

 

[UncleBuck]

So much for the theory Dem's can't win in red states

your theory was that we needed ultra-progressive berniebots to win in red states, not moderate centrists in the mold of hillary clinton, like doug jones.

this election is a devastating blow to the rhetoric you have been preaching.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Right, and if not for the allegations against Moore, he would have won the election and Jones would be sitting in the same spot as Jon Ossoff

Wait and see the midterm results in 2018

 

[UncleBuck]

if not for the allegations against Moore, he would have won the election

allegations?

don't you mean evidence?

kind of a weird way to describe serially raping young girls.

 

[Fogdog]

Right, and if not for the allegations against Moore, he would have won the election and Jones would be sitting in the same spot as Jon Ossoff

Wait and see the midterm results in 2018

LOL
Alternate facts. Already?
Making up stories to tell people what would have happened instead of what really happened is what you are.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Alternate facts.

The first allegation became public Nov. 9

Before the 9th, Moore held a pretty big lead over Jones in the polls

It's obvious the allegations against Moore played a significant role in electing Jones

 

[Padawanbater2]

 

[Padawanbater2]

"Certainly, Sanders’ record does not evidence an indifference to black women—quite the contrary. His anti-poverty initiatives would disproportionately aid black women, as 46% of those in poverty are black families headed by single black women. Sanders famously had to fight the democratic establishment to sign on to raising minimum wage to $15 an hour, and while Sanders might reasonably be faulted for not highlighting the extent to which his agenda disproportionately helps specific identity groups, women comprise the majority of minimum wage workers, and black women, who make up 6% percent of the population, comprise 23% of minimum wage workers. Heck, Bernie’s bona fides even stretch back to 1963, when footage shows him being arrested during a civil rights protest, chained to one of the black women whose interests he “seems” indifferent toward, according to Starr.

So what gives? Why do Starr and others feel the need to insinuate that Bernie’s poor performance among older blacks (it’s important to note that he won the majority of the black vote under 30 years old) reflects a lack of commitment to black issues? Hillary Clinton also lost the overwhelming majority of the black vote in the 2008 primary. Does she have a “black women problem” too?"

 

[Fogdog]

"Certainly, Sanders’ record does not evidence an indifference to black women—quite the contrary. His anti-poverty initiatives would disproportionately aid black women, as 46% of those in poverty are black families headed by single black women. Sanders famously had to fight the democratic establishment to sign on to raising minimum wage to $15 an hour, and while Sanders might reasonably be faulted for not highlighting the extent to which his agenda disproportionately helps specific identity groups, women comprise the majority of minimum wage workers, and black women, who make up 6% percent of the population, comprise 23% of minimum wage workers. Heck, Bernie’s bona fides even stretch back to 1963, when footage shows him being arrested during a civil rights protest, chained to one of the black women whose interests he “seems” indifferent toward, according to Starr.

So what gives? Why do Starr and others feel the need to insinuate that Bernie’s poor performance among older blacks (it’s important to note that he won the majority of the black vote under 30 years old) reflects a lack of commitment to black issues? Hillary Clinton also lost the overwhelming majority of the black vote in the 2008 primary. Does she have a “black women problem” too?"

I'm not necessarily responding to this post because in fact I didn't read it.

Pad can't stand that his stupid idea of some hidden away population of liberal progressive people were hiding away in Alabama, not voting until a true liberal progressive ran for office even though that meant Trump, Sessions AND a child molester would be voted into office to represent them is not only laughed at by myself and others but is proven false in this election.

So now he wishes what? Fire and Brimstone or maybe porn outages because Jones is not progressive enough?

 

[Padawanbater2]

The voting results prove the allegations against Moore are what tipped the results of the election, not the centrist Democratic stances of Jones. In other words, Moore lost the election because he was a shitty candidate. Jones didn't win because of his Democratic ideals, he won because he was running against Moore.

If running to the center were a viable political strategy for Democrats, they wouldn't have lost over 1,000 seats since Obama was elected