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Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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ttystikk said:
Or maybe you're just wrong.

Time will tell.
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I can't be sure if you are saying this sincerely or if it just a part of your natural intellectual dishonesty.

The fact is that time will not tell. You have already accepted your conspiracy theory as the "truth". As long as there is some third rate website telling you what you want to hear, you will believe it. And there always will be.

Are there websites still proclaiming that the Protocols of Zion is not made up Russian propaganda? Yes. Are there sites that claim that Jeane Kirkpatrick really sent the government of South Africa a thank you letter for lavish gifts and that the Russians had nothing to do with it? Yes. I could go on all day. Even if a smoking gun we're waved under your nose, you will believe what you want to believe. Your ego depends on it.

Once you go down the rabbit hole, you never come back. You are a lost cause.

You want a real false flag? Look into Putin's rise to power when he blew up an entire apartment block and claimed it to be a "Chechen attack". This is the guy you now serve - like it or not.
 
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socalcoolmx

socalcoolmx

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travisw said:
They are absolutely not basing everything on those two things you mentioned. I don't think there is anyway, a couple of assholes on an internet pot forum, would be privy to everything they are basing their investigation on, but if you want to look at it anecdotally, it's easy enough.

1. They've done this many times before.

The long, terrifying history of Russian dissidents being poisoned abroad
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/06/the-long-terrifying-history-of-russian-dissidents-being-poisoned-abroad/?utm_term=.e9b5d6b64b99

The long history of Russian deaths in the UK under mysterious circumstances
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/russian-deaths-uk-history-spies-murder-sergei-skripal-alexander-litvinenko-a8242061.html

to people like this guy:



2. The OPCW report
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_series/2018/en/s-1612-2018_e_.pdf

The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this toxic chemical.

The results of analysis of the environmental samples conducted by OPCW designated laboratories demonstrate the presence of this toxic chemical in the samples.

The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.

The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.

The name and structure of the identified toxic chemical are contained in the full classified report of the Secretariat, available to States Parties.

That's 2 things they could be basing this on, is that enough?

As to all the you guys stuff, I'm only speaking for myself, but no, I don't believe everything my government tells me. No my butt doesn't get all hurt, when people choose to believe Russia Today because I, like most people, know that it's the propaganda arm of the Russian government. I actually smoke really good hash and go on a pot forum and mock those people.

As to your last part about wmd's and Iraq and they are the same people pushing for war again, your saying Colin Powell poisoned those two Russians? Because he was the wmd in Iraq guy right?


Or are you saying Bush poisoned them? You may be unaware but his momma just died so he's probably pretty busy with that.



Do you have a source that says otherwise , that isn't funded by the Russian government? I'd be happy to look.

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I'm not saying the russians did or didn't do it, think they need to show better evidence.
So right now the evidence
1. They've done it in the past .
2.The OPCW agrees with the british that the soviet designed toxin was pure.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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socalcoolmx said:
I'm not saying the russians did or didn't do it, think they need to show better evidence.
So right now the evidence
1. They've done it in the past .
2.The OPCW agrees with the british that the soviet designed toxin was pure.
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Current summary of what is publicly known as of 4/10
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43315636

1) The Skripals were poisoned by nerve agent. They found that agent had been applied to the door knob of their residence. Enough residue was found there to do the job.

2) The nerve agent was analyzed and announced to be "military grade nerve agent of type developed by Soviet Union".

3) The UK government hasn't released a full report of their test results which would likely contain information regarding the method of manufacture.

So far as I can tell, that's all the UK is making public.

If you want more information, you'll have to wait for it like everybody else.

Sorry snowflake. You don't have the security clearance or good reason to have access to all the information.

This isn't a trial in a court of law. There is no burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt. Past behavior of Russian government most certainly can be used to weigh with other evidence to decide guilt or innocence.

Nobody is talking about war. Diplomats have been expelled. Sanctions are being discussed and the most likely ones to be used will single out extremely wealthy Russian oligarchs who are associated with Putin.

To form my own opinion, I do factor in the bloodthirsty nature of Putin's government. Poisoning a former agent in this manner is completely consistent with past behavior. And so,

I'll take UK's verdict on this. You are entitled to your opinion. I ask you, what information do you have that justifies not accepting their verdict? Or is this just another example of you choosing to reject an authority's statement without a good reason?
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
Current summary of what is publicly known as of 4/10
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43315636

1) The Skripals were poisoned by nerve agent. They found that agent had been applied to the door knob of their residence. Enough residue was found there to do the job.

2) The nerve agent was analyzed and announced to be "military grade nerve agent of type developed by Soviet Union".

3) The UK government hasn't released a full report of their test results which would likely contain information regarding the method of manufacture.

So far as I can tell, that's all the UK is making public.

If you want more information, you'll have to wait for it like everybody else.

Sorry snowflake. You don't have the security clearance or good reason to have access to all the information.

This isn't a trial in a court of law. There is no burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt. Past behavior of Russian government most certainly can be used to weigh with other evidence to decide guilt or innocence.

Nobody is talking about war. Diplomats have been expelled. Sanctions are being discussed and the most likely ones to be used will single out extremely wealthy Russian oligarchs who are associated with Putin.

To form my own opinion, I do factor in the bloodthirsty nature of Putin's government. Poisoning a former agent in this manner is completely consistent with past behavior. And so,

I'll take UK's verdict on this. You are entitled to your opinion. I ask you, what information do you have that justifies not accepting their verdict? Or is this just another example of you choosing to reject an authority's statement without a good reason?
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Ttystikk is in the thrall of those who's intention is to ensure the continued hegemony of the "Republican" Party. They are doing a pretty good job of it though I think I may have thought it would be much more difficult.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Unclebaldrick said:
Ttystikk is in the thrall of those who's intention is to ensure the continued hegemony of the "Republican" Party. They are doing a pretty good job of it though I think I may have thought it would be much more difficult.
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My post was to socalcoolmx who may be as obnoxious as tty but doesn't post nearly as much as tty does. Neither he or tty will ever be convinced. They are immune to facts.

The so-called Sanders progressives are useless idiots who play into the hands of right wing billionaires. The are just tools. I'm guessing that after 2018, they will try to take credit for Democratic Party gains. I'm also guessing that Sanders will fail yet again in his quest to be the first independent who is nominated as Democratic Party candidate for Prez..

Then we can hear all over again the story line that starts with "Rigged"
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
My post was to socalcoolmx who may be as obnoxious as tty but doesn't post nearly as much as tty does. Neither he or tty will ever be convinced. They are immune to facts.

The so-called Sanders progressives are useless idiots who play into the hands of right wing billionaires. The are just tools. I'm guessing that after 2018, they will try to take credit for Democratic Party gains. I'm also guessing that Sanders will fail yet again in his quest to be the first independent who is nominated as Democratic Party candidate for Prez..

Then we can hear all over again the story line that starts with "Rigged"
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I 100% agree. I would respect them more if their intention of being part of THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT was just an attempt to get laid.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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ttystikk said:
Right.

The doctor at the hospital where they were treated was unequivocal; 'no one here is suffering from chemical weapons'.

But drool on yourself all you want.
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All doctors speak English, doubtful a highly educated Syrian doctor would fuck English as hard as tty
 
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