Flowering question

DirtyDogs446

DirtyDogs446

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If the top colas look ready when the orange hairs are about 70 percent what if the buds under it really don't have orange hairs do u leave it or do u go by the top ones
 
A cheap comma jewellers loupe is all you need. 20X to 40X max. Actual power some saying 20X are actually around 8X.

Less than $10 for a decent one
 
You want ALL the hairs to be darkened up pretty much, some plants never stop shooting out new hairs but really on most plants at 70% darkening haors you can still have 2 weeks left
 
Forget using a loupe just post many pics of plant and bud and we will tell you. Possibly its stressed or maybe as others said its simply not ready yet.

You dont need to magnify with this plant, swollen calyxs, smell and overall looks will tell you peak harvest time no problem :-)
 
DirtyDogs446 said:
what if the buds under it really don't have orange hairs do u leave it or do u go by the top ones
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The top buds will always mature earlier then the lower because of apical dominance & higher light levels. That's one reason I prefer SOG over bigger plants, since each plant is a bud there's more consistency. I've been told a proper scrog will harvest evenly but don't have the experience to say myself.

The two options with bigger plants is either strike a compromise between the different maturity levels or do a double harvest. If you have time/space you can chop the top at it's peak & give the lower growth a couple more weeks to ripen.
 
Ok ty guys
Kingrow1 said:
Forget using a loupe just post many pics of plant and bud and we will tell you. Possibly its stressed or maybe as others said its simply not ready yet.

You dont need to magnify with this plant, swollen calyxs, smell and overall looks will tell you peak harvest time no problem :-)
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It was cut down already trichomes were cloudy and about10 to 30 percent amber
 
Somatek said:
The top buds will always mature earlier then the lower because of apical dominance & higher light levels. That's one reason I prefer SOG over bigger plants, since each plant is a bud there's more consistency. I've been told a proper scrog will harvest evenly but don't have the experience to say myself.

The two options with bigger plants is either strike a compromise between the different maturity levels or do a double harvest. If you have time/space you can chop the top at it's peak & give the lower growth a couple more weeks to ripen.
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No this is generally incorrect, the first calyxs to form will mature first and then in descending order of age, it dosent work from top to bottom unless the top buds formed before the bottom buds but this is generally not the case as the first calyxs form at all nodes so there is where the first signs of maturity start.

Shit i grow well too much weed to know this crap :-)
 
Kingrow1 said:
No this is generally incorrect, the first calyxs to form will mature first and then in descending order of age, it dosent work from top to bottom unless the top buds formed before the bottom buds but this is generally not the case as the first calyxs form at all nodes so there is where the first signs of maturity start.

Shit i grow well too much weed to know this crap :-)
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I don't know about you but every plant I've grown first forms inflorescense at the top first and the bottom last. Like you said, early flowers mature first and every untopped plant I've ever seen flowers at the top before the bottom. My understanding is that's because of the hormones at the tallest point determining growth (aka apical dominance). The first flowers form at nodes but the higher nodes form flowers before lower ones.

Got any pictures of plants flowering from the bottom up to contradict that statement?
 
Somatek said:
I don't know about you but every plant I've grown first forms inflorescense at the top first and the bottom last. Like you said, early flowers mature first and every untopped plant I've ever seen flowers at the top before the bottom. My understanding is that's because of the hormones at the tallest point determining growth (aka apical dominance). The first flowers form at nodes but the higher nodes form flowers before lower ones.

Got any pictures of plants flowering from the bottom up to contradict that statement?
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Yes, go look at your preflowers, the first to form, also the first to mature.

I am a pro at this stuff no question and need no proof if you have grown for a few years and spotted this very same thing.

Mainly your bottom calyxs of the plant formed late :-)
 
Kingrow1 said:
Yes, go look at your preflowers, the first to form, also the first to mature.

I am a pro at this stuff no question and need no proof if you have grown for a few years and spotted this very same thing.

Mainly your bottom calyxs of the plant formed late :-)
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You're saying the first flowers form at the base of the plants, not the growing tips?
 
Somatek said:
The top buds will always mature earlier then the lower because of apical dominance & higher light levels. That's one reason I prefer SOG over bigger plants, since each plant is a bud there's more consistency. I've been told a proper scrog will harvest evenly but don't have the experience to say myself.

The two options with bigger plants is either strike a compromise between the different maturity levels or do a double harvest. If you have time/space you can chop the top at it's peak & give the lower growth a couple more weeks to ripen.
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some swell and mature from the bottom up, so it's not as quite cut and dry as you say.
 
nonamedman420 said:
some swell and mature from the bottom up, so it's not as quite cut and dry as you say.
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Can you give me some examples so I can check it out? I've grown probably 30-50 strains over the years & have never seen one that matures from the bottom up. Every plant I've flowered forms buds at the tips first and then down the branch, if they're untopped I've always noticed buds forming at the top before any lower branches. There is definitely a huge difference in apical dominance between plants, so I imagine it could be possible but if there are some I've never heard of them.
 
honestly i would, i'm busy. a search on these forums will show this to be true. it's just a bit of info, not everything is always black and white.
 
and i'm not saying it's the norm. just it's not as cut and dry as one would think. i bet it would have something to do with lighting, eg one single overhead light vs side lighting etc... look at the plant, and do harvest inb stages if you prefer to. or wait till the whole plant on average is to your liking.

one could harvest at once, when some are Done and some not so much, and see if you like an early/timed/or late harvest.
 
nonamedman420 said:
honestly i would, i'm busy. a search on these forums will show this to be true. it's just a bit of info, not everything is always black and white.
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What am I searching for then? I did a search on double harvesting already & didn't find anything useful. The fact people doubt it now gives me the impression it's a degradation of info due to the web, a decade ago this wasn't even a debate as people accepted the botany of how it grows. I'm trying to understand the science behind the counter argument but so far all I've been told is opinions without anything to back it up.
 
Somatek said:
You're saying the first flowers form at the base of the plants, not the growing tips?
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The apical growing tip is in fact the upper most point and flowers form at nodes not the tip which would be a vegetative collection of undiferentiated cells or whatever it is biology describes it.

But i digress, calyxs form eitherside at all points of the nodes and thus with calyx comes leaf.

I say the first calyxs to form are also the first calyxs to mature, generally the base of each node and then radiating upwards in each cluster.

Top bottom of plant is irrelevant, i cut at same time, the lower popcorn can form a little latwr than the rest of the bud but anything with enough light is rockung to the same cycle.

All this is obvious if you look at really well grown plants, often when my preflowers mature the calyxs which formed next just above on the base of each bud cluster brown a few days later and this is obvious to see if you crane your neck up and stare at the base of each bud.

The tip of each bud cluster which forms a bud generally still white or last to mature on a lot of bus but at 99% mature this is the 1% that isnt.

I hope you can see what im saying here, stress will alter your buds in many ways so carefull your identifying natural patterns not newbie patterns which i have had frustrate me with shit bud before.

Piss your plant of enough and calyxs wont swell and pistils brown orematurely or nort at all, thats just a crap shot :-)
 
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