jtrizzy
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Ya I see that, so riddle me this, I added water to them and they perked up.... Wouldn't they get worse if they were over watered?
Here we go again, You guys can tell me this time
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jtrizzy
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so many dam variables lol.
Bbcchance
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Think of the way your plant uses transpiration like the way a syphon hose works, when the syphon is working right all the water will drain from the bucket, sometimes it stops because of lack of pressure for whatever reason, now you can add more water to raise the pressure and the syphon will still work again till the pressure drops, but your bucket will never be empty till you figure out what's causing your pressure dropYa I see that, so riddle me this, I added water to them and they perked up.... Wouldn't they get worse if they were over watered?
jtrizzy
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Maybe I need to build something to raise the pots and get air flow underneath them. I do not water in the tent, I pull them out, I go in the back yard water them, let the water drip out for 5-10min. Than put them back in. Maybe some air flow underneath the pots would help.
Bbcchance
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these work well with a saucer under them to catch runoff
jtrizzy
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Looks like I am going to lose 3/4 plants. All 3 just look terrible and droopy, I have no idea what the issue is. They just look terrible. I am just going to leave them alone until the weekend. If they pull through great, if not than well I will start again. I have no idea what went wrong. I have watered them all the same, was so careful not to over water yet they look over watered, but when I don't water they look the exactly the same. If I give them some water they look ok for a day or so than go back to being miserable. I have no idea, I am out of options and out of suggestions. If i keep giving them water they will die anyway. Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I shall try again. Next try I will add 30-40% perlite to help drainage. These fabric pots just do not help with getting oxygen to the roots. I have measured my watering carefully every time but even so, still does not dry out at all. The 1 plant that is doing great, I have not watered for almost a week now and looks great, and it is the tallest out of all them. I gave it the same water as the others, and was actually the runt of the litter. The soil in the pot is still wet going on a week and I wont need to water for another week or so at least at this rate. It will literally be on two weeks with no water being added. FFOF just does not drain well at all without adding more perlite.
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I raised the lights back up. This seem to all start going bad when I lowered the lights. I also raised them off the ground with hopes that air will get underneath the stupid pots.
jtrizzy
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It’s at 50%, it’s not that. They just over watered plain and simple. I fucked up large. What threw me off was every time I did give them some water they looked better so really confused me. I should have kept giving them very very small amounts of water more often than watering the whole pot, I knew it when I did it was a stupid idea. Everyone here gives there plants a gallon of water every three days and I have no idea how they do that without drowning the shit out of them. I gave the one good plant a gallon a week ago and it’s still soaked in there, how it’s not over watered as well is beyond me. 1 cup of water is plenty every 5-6 days.they were growing fine at that, I was an idiot thinking that they needed more.
jtrizzy
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The plants have some what bounced back,not a 100% but better. I know by tomorrow earliest they will look terrible again. Seems to be a trend every 48hrs. My question is, since they are still over watered, I will not give them a drop for a long time, but what if the droop never goes away? Is it possible the damage is done and the droop just won't go away? I have left it before for days and the droop just remained even though I did not water. I know you guys cannot tell me how long the pot will stay wet for, but I would have to guess once the soil dries up to where they can get gas exchange properly again they would perk up again. I dunno. Should I remove all the wet soil in the pot replace with dry fresh soil once they droop again? I notice the roots are only concentrated in the middle of the pot and none have really stretched the walls of the pot, no where near actually. The roots are like a vertical cylinder downward.
jtrizzy
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So I checked in on them today and same. Not as droopy during the day but gets worse from 2 hrs close to lights out and when lights come back on in the morning. Still seeing bud growth and new leaves popping so thats a good sign. No discoloring on the leaves. Leaves are very jagged like a serrated knife. I also pulled away some of the soil from the base of the over watered plants and the root balls are still very wet, the surrounding soil is damp to dry. I am assuming I need to let this root ball dry out correct? The 1 good plant is doing great, much faster bud formation and pistils. @hotrodharley what ya think about the wet rootball?
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Budzbuddha
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You are drowning them .... if you water til it runs out and wait 5 minutes to get it to stop then you are OVERWATERING. LED GROWS will not dry out as quickly as other light systems so spacing out feeds AND watering is a given.
Everytime you OVERWATER to the point of runoff , you are actually leaching the soil. Roots become smothered and leaves droop. You should be lifting containers ( when complete dry ) to judge if watering is needed. In 3 gallon fabrics i add no more than say 3 or 4 cups water thats it.
You NEED to drop led panel to 18” as blurple penetration drops off a cliff as you raise light . Some run them a foot above canopy . Autos are finicky and any unnecessary stress ... water , feed , overfeed etc. can impact it. They are plug and play type plants.
Plants will droop for a number of reasons , i would have fan moving air ACROSS all plants , they need to move and oxygenate. Plants droop when they get ready to “ power down “ at end of light cycle day too. But most of the time its user error.
Everytime you OVERWATER to the point of runoff , you are actually leaching the soil. Roots become smothered and leaves droop. You should be lifting containers ( when complete dry ) to judge if watering is needed. In 3 gallon fabrics i add no more than say 3 or 4 cups water thats it.
You NEED to drop led panel to 18” as blurple penetration drops off a cliff as you raise light . Some run them a foot above canopy . Autos are finicky and any unnecessary stress ... water , feed , overfeed etc. can impact it. They are plug and play type plants.
Plants will droop for a number of reasons , i would have fan moving air ACROSS all plants , they need to move and oxygenate. Plants droop when they get ready to “ power down “ at end of light cycle day too. But most of the time its user error.
jtrizzy
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Ok cool. My lights aren’t blurple FYI. Optic COBBS. I am waiting for it to dry out becuase I messed up large.
jtrizzy
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so looks like I found my issue. Aphids!! Although they were mainly on the lower leaves of the healthy plant, not really any on the 3 not so healthy plants. i sprayed all of the aphids I could off with pressured spray water bottle. Than sprayed all foliage heavy with a kill on contact and residual insecticide for fruits and veggies which kills aphids #1 on the list. Cleaned my entire tent with bleach and water. Took me two hours to get this done. God I hope this at very least slows them down. I think I did a really good job.
Here is what the fuckers look like.
Here is what the fuckers look like.
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Lordhooha
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If they’re on one they’re on all of them or soon to be unfortunately.so looks like I found my issue. Aphids!! Although they were mainly on the lower leaves of the healthy plant, not really any on the 3 not so healthy plants. i sprayed all of the aphids I could off with pressured spray water bottle. Than sprayed all foliage heavy with a kill on contact and residual insecticide for fruits and veggies which kills aphids #1 on the list. Cleaned my entire tent with bleach and water. Took me two hours to get this done. God I hope this at very least slows them down. I think I did a really good job.
Here is what the fuckers look like.
jtrizzy
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I will have to keep on top of it. Do they breed in the soil?
Lordhooha
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I always put a two inch layer of perlite on the top of my soil to keep stuff from screwing in there. It’s kept (knock on wood) the bugs at bay in my rooms. But yes if I remember they can or at least start in the soil. So if they can’t get in there no bugs.
jtrizzy
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Woke up this morning and inspected again, I could not find any. That does not mean they aren't there but, a good sign none the less. Plants look okay, I still have not watered, besides they got sort of watered inadvertently yesterday while I was dealing with these stupid aphids I did used PH'd water to clean them anyway.