Bernie Sanders 2020

srh88

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There are better strategies to shift healthcare from private insurance to Medicare than the one Bernie proposes. Bernie is the only one who would take away people right to choose which plan they want. Regarding Bernie's plan, you have bought a pig in a poke. There is no credible cost estimate nor is there a specified means to pay for it.

https://www.kff.org/interactive/compare-medicare-for-all-public-plan-proposals/

Updated: May 15, 2019

Several bills have been introduced in the 116th Congress that would expand the role of public programs in health care. As more legislation is introduced, we will continue to update the side-by-side comparison tool. The bills range in scope from broad proposals to create a new national health insurance program for all residents to more incremental approaches that offer a public plan option in addition to current sources of coverage, private or public. These bills are grouped into five general categories:

  • Medicare-for-all, a single national health insurance program for all U.S. residents:
    • Medicare for All Act of 2019 by Rep. Jayapal, H.R. 1384
    • Medicare for All Act of 2019 by Sen. Sanders, S. 1129
  • A new national health insurance program for all U.S. residents with an opt out for qualified coverage:
    • Medicare for America Act of 2019 by Rep. DeLauro and Rep. Schakowsky, H.R. 2452
  • A new public plan option that would be offered to individuals through the ACA marketplace:
    • Keeping Health Insurance Affordable Act of 2019 by Sen. Cardin, S. 3
    • Choose Medicare Act by Sen. Merkley, S. 1261 and Rep. Richmond, H.R. 2463
    • Medicare-X Choice Act of 2019 by Sen. Bennet and Sen. Kaine, S. 981 and Rep. Delgado, H.R. 2000
    • The CHOICE Act by Rep. Schakowsky, H.R. 2085 and Sen. Whitehouse, S. 1033
  • A Medicare buy-in option for older individuals not yet eligible for the current Medicare program:
    • Medicare at 50 Act by Sen. Stabenow, S. 470
    • Medicare Buy-In and Health Care Stabilization Act of 2019 by Rep. Higgins, H.R. 1346
  • A Medicaid buy-in option that states can elect to offer to individuals through the ACA marketplace:
    • State Public Option Act by Sen. Schatz, S. 489 and Rep. Luján, H.R. 1277.
Pad lives at home and is most likely still on his parents insurance.

I just cant take his input seriously.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
There are better strategies to shift healthcare from private insurance to Medicare than the one Bernie proposes. Bernie is the only one who would take away people right to choose which plan they want. Regarding Bernie's plan, you have bought a pig in a poke. There is no credible cost estimate nor is there a specified means to pay for it.
Let's cut the bullshit and put everything on the table. You don't support M4A because Sanders proposed it. If anyone else you support proposed it, you would be fighting just as vehemently in support of it. It's not about the policy with you, it's about the person, because you're an egotistical megalomaniac who believes his opinions are more important than they actually are.
https://www.kff.org/interactive/compare-medicare-for-all-public-plan-proposals/
Several bills have been introduced in the 116th Congress
You haven't read any of them. Keep citing Phillip Morris in your quest against the lung cancer connection, idiot
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Let's cut the bullshit and put everything on the table. You don't support M4A because Sanders proposed it. If anyone else you support proposed it, you would be fighting just as vehemently in support of it. It's not about the policy with you, it's about the person, because you're an egotistical megalomaniac who believes his opinions are more important than they actually are.
You haven't read any of them. Keep citing Phillip Morris in your quest against the lung cancer connection, idiot
You guys are doing a fantastic job of splitting the party on your own, who needs Trump?
Lol.
 

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
No, not at all. The only thing that changes is the provider. The care, the doctor, the coverage, all remains the same. The only difference is instead of paying a copay, a premium and having a deductible, you pay a percentage or two higher in taxes on April 15. That's it. And 30 million more poor Americans can get access to healthcare, and 45K fewer Americans die every year because they don't. Not to mention the addition of reproductive rights, vision, dental, mental health, etc.

What we do now is abysmal and it costs twice as much per capita than other first world countries that implement universal healthcare

Healthcare is a human right, period.

If you believe the bullshit Fogdog is trying to sell you, you'd think Sanders is trying to decrease the quality of healthcare for everyone just to give poor people who don't deserve it because they're poor or not white coverage.
Who administers it if it’s funded by taxes and fees paid by employer and employee? Is it not the goverment? Who decides how much a doctor can bill for each procedure? Our fees are kept lower by a scale each doctor can bill, who decides that? Seems there are many questions still to be answered.
 

UncleBuck

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Polls can be manipulated to be anything the pollster wishes.
explain to me how a dozen different polling organizations are manipulating their polling by reading a list of candidates to th people they poll then. i'll wait

the system is indeed rigged and our votes don't count
you didn't even vote in 2016. when you don't vote, like you didn't, yourvote is not counted, because it is non-existent.

What happens when you win all 55 counties in a state?- it goes to your opponent
let's look at what happened in washington state in 2016.

hillary won the popular vote by over 40,000 votes. hillary was the choice of the voters of washington state in a big way.

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but who won the delegates ^^^^^^^^^^^^

bernie won the delegates by a 2 to 1 margin despite losing by 40,000 votes



R1GgEd111!11
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Who administers it if it’s funded by taxes and fees paid by employer and employee? Is it not the goverment? Who decides how much a doctor can bill for each procedure? Our fees are kept lower by a scale each doctor can bill, who decides that? Seems there are many questions still to be answered.
Do you believe every American has a right to healthcare?
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Yep, it's not too early for the bernie bots to scream RIGGED PRIMARY! :roll:

Fucking pathetic!


:mrgreen:
They have been using this same bullshit tactic since 2016. They tried to force their will through "WHO ARE YOU FOR!!!?" before anyone but BARNIE announced. Now they see it slipping away and they are already in a blue rage that people aren't flocking to him. How dare we not submit to the will of THEY THE PEOPLE?

Now, in order to try to get more of a voice, they are claiming the votes of 100 million people that don't vote and probably never would. There are two sad things here; they believe their own bullshit and they have no idea that they have been sucking Putin and Trump's dicks since June of 2016.

Sad.
 

Padawanbater2

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Who you support are third way neoliberal corporate Democrats while pretending to be the most progressive. The reality is you don't understand economics and have a very small, shallow grasp on American politics. You claim to support progressive ideals and policies, yet endorse and support conservative Democrats who would be the last to actually implement them while absent of all substance, criticize the most progressive candidates in the race actually pushing for the progressive policies you claim you support.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
I believe we should have a right for the healthcare system to be able to treat our entire society's ills. Is that the same thing?
Yes, it sounds like you support universal healthcare. Anyone, even if they can afford it or not, in my opinion, should be able to go to any hospital they want and get the treatment they need, completely free at the point of service. That's what I mean when I call it a human right
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Who you support are third way neoliberal corporate Democrats while pretending to be the most progressive. The reality is you don't understand economics and have a very small, shallow grasp on American politics. You claim to support progressive ideals and policies, yet endorse and support conservative Democrats who would be the last to actually implement them while absent of all substance, criticize the most progressive candidates in the race actually pushing for the progressive policies you claim you support.
Sure.

Bernie just isn't going to make it, Curtis.

Sorry we all didn't get sucked into your internet based rabbit hole. I know you think that I look down on the working class but I really don't. But I don't look to them for critical political thought either.

Glad you are passionate about what you feel. But I don't really care what three egotistical mental midgets with delusions of grandeur think.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Sure.

Bernie just isn't going to make it, Curtis.

Sorry we all didn't get sucked into your internet based rabbit hole. I know you think that I look down on the working class but I really don't. But I don't look to them for critical political thought either.

Glad you are passionate about what you feel. But I don't really care what three egotistical mental midgets with delusions of grandeur think.
Interesting to note you didn't attempt to refute anything I said
 
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