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Sativied
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Not according to my experience over the past 9 years using mostly just Aquaflakes A and B. I think a more accurate statement would be it’s a little high on N, and some other brands have too much P. Either way, there’s definitely not too little P in it to a point where you would experience issues with it. I use the same ratio for a wide variety of varieties.
If for some miraculous reason you are not experiencing one or some of the same issues over 99% of growers who claim there’s something wrong with the ratio do, and you really have P deficiency, simply uses a little less A, and little more B. If you’re using a ton of different bottles from H&G, then that’s more likely the problem.
If for some miraculous reason you are not experiencing one or some of the same issues over 99% of growers who claim there’s something wrong with the ratio do, and you really have P deficiency, simply uses a little less A, and little more B. If you’re using a ton of different bottles from H&G, then that’s more likely the problem.
kingzt
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Thank you for the honesty. I use only the base and drip clean from them. This issue that ive been experiencing has happened my past few harvest and only happens in flower. It looks like a calcium deficiency so I started treating it like one with out and improvements. After asking around a little there might be something with the lack of phosphorus causing the issue with the calcium deficiency. Any help is greatly appreciated. I’ll post some pics of what I’m experiencing.
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Sativied
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Fun stuff to determine deficiencies from spots on leaves but it rarely points to the real problem and solution. A&B base is complete, and unless PH is really off or root issues or overfeeding w/e prevent proper uptake there’s rarely a need to add elements separately.
That said, looks more like pest/spider mite damage to me.
That said, looks more like pest/spider mite damage to me.
kingzt
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It's not pests thankfully. The picture looks like white specs but they're actually more rusts spot.
kingzt
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Do you still use H&G? I’m experiencing what I think is calcium deficiency. Never used it cal mag but when I enter flower I get rust spots.
jammerbanger
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lol you can get away with no cal-mag when your running no c02 and your not pushing your plants to their max level. too many variables to say you dont need to run a supp cal-mag product or calcium mag in seperate parts...
CaliWorthington
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Yes you can adjust the numbers. I've started doing this with Bloom Yellow Bottle Euro AB.
It's very similar to H&G. I've used H&G (Aqua Flakes, Cocos, Soil) before.
I cut B 35% for veg/mother plants, and cut A 35% and boost B 20% for flowering.
When you're cutting that much, you want to increase the total amount of ml/gal up a bit.
The A has a higher EC, so when cutting the A, adjust the total up a little higher than when cutting B.
GH Flora Duo is one AB where the feed charts recommend different ratios throughout the grow.
baaael
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thanks man
Ffwp710
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Ever use canna boost on top of the h/g line?
TommyDumper
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Wow a lot has changed in 4 years.. Can't believe it's been that long since I wrote this thread.. I opened a Hydroponics store in 2010 and have learned quite a bit since which I'll share with everyone.
I've spent many hours learning and educating myself on plants & plant nutrients including h&g and others. I still believe h&g is a unique line & was one of the pioneers in modern day plant nutrients. H&G was originally formulated for roses. Van De Zwaan and his crew were some of Hollands largest commercial producers of roses. I think they quickly realized what crop was their bread and butter and have tweaked the line accordingly. Since my original post they have created several new products & changed several of the names & compositions of their products. I have no experience (in fact have never touched) a bottle of the Hydro nutrient or the Aarde organic line. My experience is based strictly off the US versions of aqua flakes, cocos & soil bases. I'll give a quick run down on each product as I see it.
Of the 3 bases I would certainly say Aqua Flakes is the standout. For recirculating hydro systems you'd be hard pressed to find a cleaner, more stable & effective base. It was designed to be recirculated with pumps that draw mineral element from the water so you won't have any cal/mag issues that are present with some other nutrients when using mag drive pumps. It works INCREDIBLY well in Coco coir also, maybe even better than Cocos a&b. Soil & Coco work great as well but Aqua Flakes is certainly the flagship base for h&g.
Amino treatment was not around when I started this thread. Let me tell you.. This product is worth every penny and you can justify the cost in any feeding regimen. Composed of Amino acids, Silica & other proprietary ingredients, Amino WILL make a noticeable difference on your crop. Plants are all around larger, more resistant to stress and the internodes are stacked much tighter. Amino paves the way for enormous buds period. Please refrain from other silica products when using Amino as it becomes redundant. Buy only what you'll use for one run as this stuff will get a little gross if you leave it sitting for prolonged periods of time.
As for roots excel, the product that brought me to h&g, it has been modified and sold in a new gold bottle. Insiders say it was due to one of the ingredients and US labeling issues. The consistency has changed, it is much more liquidy now as opposed to gooey which is nice for DWC & hydro systems. Unfortunately I think, while it still has a cult following & sells by the boatload, the change actually resulted in a slightly lesser quality product. The jury is still out on this one. We're running extensive testing, will let you know. Many of our customers use GH rapid start successfully as a cheaper substitution.
Algen extract is a kelp extract veg additive. It's extremely thick & dark, do not suggest it for hydro. Even h&g recommends it at 10% strength in hydro systems. Keeps plants extremely lush & green in coco/dirt. Only buy what you'll need for a run as it will goo up on you after time.
Nitrogen boost is another new one. Made specifically for markets like America where we grow large plants due to plant count restrictions. All of h&g bases are low nitrogen. They were designed for growers in Holland who grow short plants on tray tables with very little veg time that require very little nitrogen. The bases are geared towards the blooming phase of a plants life which is why nitrogen boost was created. Supplement with 1-4ml/gal throughout veg if needed.
Drip clean still rocks. .4ml/gal so this product goes a Long way. USE THIS PRODUCT FROM DAY ONE. DO NOT START USING MID WAY. If you have any type of residual salt build up already and begin using it, it will release all of the salts from your drip lines & growing media and wreak havoc ESPECIALLY IN A RECIRCULATING SYSTEM.
Multizen, which was called Multizyme when I originally wrote this post is pretty similar to most enzyme products. Eats dead old root mass & keeps your root zone clean & in check.
Bud XL is an interesting product. If you notice, you stop using multizen once you start using bud XL. This is because the bud XL contains enzymes as well as a proprietary ingredient that transfers the sugar from the leaf to the actual bud. Basically multizen with some extras is my understanding.
Top booster is a mid stage pk bloom booster. The cheapest of all the additives yet probably the single most effective & noticeable product of them all. Pretty much common knowledge & practice for all growers to use a mid stage pk. Definetely a must have.
Shooting powder (and now Top Shooter which is a liquid shooting powder) are still unique to h&g for the most part. Many companies (Advanced Nutrients Overdrive, Aptus breakout powder etc) have created late stage bloom boosters similar to Shooting Powder/Top Shooter. Still they all pale in comparison IMO. These products create a second burst of flowering late into the bloom stage. After adding them you'll notice fresh layers of white pistols shooting up all over. This will result in significantly more weight but the down side is I would recommend prolonging your harvest an extra week to allow the fresh growth to fill in and get the finished color & texture growers are looking for.
Magic green still works ok I guess. I'm ho hum about foliar sprays so my opinion is probably a bit biased.
H&G also Recently released coco coir onto the market. IT IS CAL-MAG INFUSED, DO NOT SUPPLEMENT WITH CALMAG OR YOU WILL HAVE BUILDUP ISSUES!!!!! I still prefer a good, clean non buffered coco like Nutriplus, Nutrilife or Cyco. Also, suggest cutting with atleast 20% perlite or Growstones.
Lastly, I do feel h&g is lacking in a few areas. B vitamins, which I would supplement with AN b52 or Superthrive. We also use Xtreme Gardening products for our beneficials & teas. USE XTREME AZOS, MYKOS & TEA ALWAYS. These products are EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE & CONCENTRATED compared to other comparable products. I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW WELL THESE PRODUCTS WORK WITH HG AND ALL OTHER LINES FOR THAT MATTER. We also use Supercharger RX tablets as an "enzyme supercharger" in all of our grows. IMO h&g should create some sort of early stage bloom booster/bloom trigger. We suggest Advanced Nutrients Bud Ignitor. For growers on a budget Blossom Blaster (Grotek), Bud Blood liquid or powder (Advanced Nutrients) or Blossom Blood all work well. Sea green Also compliments h&g well. It takes care of any residual build up that the drip clean can't handle. Make sure you get the additive stuff (from same manufacturer) that stops the foaming and weirdness of sea green if you're using it in a hydro system. Shout out to Rock Resinator & Bloombastic too. If you're not using the Shooting Powder/Top shooter try these out because they are awesome. DO NOT USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH HG.
Anyhow, there's my 2c rant for the day. Hit me up, purrrrple out!
TommyDumper
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Just want to say thank you for giving your valuable time and knowledge. I am new here and been growing for 2 years sea of green every ten weeks. With the help of my local store I was recommended H&G for my hydro in clay pebbles system. They were obviously right but I haven't taken the time to understand them until now. I joined this group by recommendation of bosgrower and found you here browsing thru solving my issues or at least trying to. Anyway, you have been most helpful in explaining H&G and I wanted to appreciate your time.Wow a lot has changed in 4 years.. Can't believe it's been that long since I wrote this thread
I've spent many hours learning and educating myself on plants & plant nutrients including h&g and others. I still believe h&g is a unique line & was one of the pioneers in modern day plant nutrients. H&G was originally formulated for roses. Van De Zwaan and his crew were some of Hollands largest commercial producers of roses. I think they quickly realized what crop was their bread and butter and have tweaked the line accordingly. Since my original post they have created several new products & changed several of the names & compositions of their products. I have no experience (in fact have never touched) a bottle of the Hydro nutrient or the Aarde organic line. My experience is based strictly off the US versions of aqua flakes, cocos & soil bases. I'll give a quick run down on each product as I see it.
Of the 3 bases I would certainly say Aqua Flakes is the standout. For recirculating hydro systems you'd be hard pressed to find a cleaner, more stable & effective base. It was designed to be recirculated with pumps that draw mineral element from the water so you won't have any cal/mag issues that are present with some other nutrients when using mag drive pumps. It works INCREDIBLY well in Coco coir also, maybe even better than Cocos a&b. Soil & Coco work great as well but Aqua Flakes is certainly the flagship base for h&g.
Amino treatment was not around when I started this thread. Let me tell you.. This product is worth every penny and you can justify the cost in any feeding regimen. Composed of Amino acids, Silica & other proprietary ingredients, Amino WILL make a noticeable difference on your crop. Plants are all around larger, more resistant to stress and the internodes are stacked much tighter. Amino paves the way for enormous buds period. Please refrain from other silica products when using Amino as it becomes redundant. Buy only what you'll use for one run as this stuff will get a little gross if you leave it sitting for prolonged periods of time.
As for roots excel, the product that brought me to h&g, it has been modified and sold in a new gold bottle. Insiders say it was due to one of the ingredients and US labeling issues. The consistency has changed, it is much more liquidy now as opposed to gooey which is nice for DWC & hydro systems. Unfortunately I think, while it still has a cult following & sells by the boatload, the change actually resulted in a slightly lesser quality product. The jury is still out on this one. We're running extensive testing, will let you know. Many of our customers use GH rapid start successfully as a cheaper substitution.
Algen extract is a kelp extract veg additive. It's extremely thick & dark, do not suggest it for hydro. Even h&g recommends it at 10% strength in hydro systems. Keeps plants extremely lush & green in coco/dirt. Only buy what you'll need for a run as it will goo up on you after time.
Nitrogen boost is another new one. Made specifically for markets like America where we grow large plants due to plant count restrictions. All of h&g bases are low nitrogen. They were designed for growers in Holland who grow short plants on tray tables with very little veg time that require very little nitrogen. The bases are geared towards the blooming phase of a plants life which is why nitrogen boost was created. Supplement with 1-4ml/gal throughout veg if needed.
Drip clean still rocks. .4ml/gal so this product goes a Long way. USE THIS PRODUCT FROM DAY ONE. DO NOT START USING MID WAY. If you have any type of residual salt build up already and begin using it, it will release all of the salts from your drip lines & growing media and wreak havoc ESPECIALLY IN A RECIRCULATING SYSTEM.
Multizen, which was called Multizyme when I originally wrote this post is pretty similar to most enzyme products. Eats dead old root mass & keeps your root zone clean & in check.
Bud XL is an interesting product. If you notice, you stop using multizen once you start using bud XL. This is because the bud XL contains enzymes as well as a proprietary ingredient that transfers the sugar from the leaf to the actual bud. Basically multizen with some extras is my understanding.
Top booster is a mid stage pk bloom booster. The cheapest of all the additives yet probably the single most effective & noticeable product of them all. Pretty much common knowledge & practice for all growers to use a mid stage pk. Definetely a must have.
Shooting powder (and now Top Shooter which is a liquid shooting powder) are still unique to h&g for the most part. Many companies (Advanced Nutrients Overdrive, Aptus breakout powder etc) have created late stage bloom boosters similar to Shooting Powder/Top Shooter. Still they all pale in comparison IMO. These products create a second burst of flowering late into the bloom stage. After adding them you'll notice fresh layers of white pistols shooting up all over. This will result in significantly more weight but the down side is I would recommend prolonging your harvest an extra week to allow the fresh growth to fill in and get the finished color & texture growers are looking for.
Magic green still works ok I guess. I'm ho hum about foliar sprays so my opinion is probably a bit biased.
H&G also Recently released coco coir onto the market. IT IS CAL-MAG INFUSED, DO NOT SUPPLEMENT WITH CALMAG OR YOU WILL HAVE BUILDUP ISSUES!!!!! I still prefer a good, clean non buffered coco like Nutriplus, Nutrilife or Cyco. Also, suggest cutting with atleast 20% perlite or Growstones.
Lastly, I do feel h&g is lacking in a few areas. B vitamins, which I would supplement with AN b52 or Superthrive. We also use Xtreme Gardening products for our beneficials & teas. USE XTREME AZOS, MYKOS & TEA ALWAYS. These products are EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE & CONCENTRATED compared to other comparable products. I CAN NOT STRESS ENOUGH HOW WELL THESE PRODUCTS WORK WITH HG AND ALL OTHER LINES FOR THAT MATTER. We also use Supercharger RX tablets as an "enzyme supercharger" in all of our grows. IMO h&g should create some sort of early stage bloom booster/bloom trigger. We suggest Advanced Nutrients Bud Ignitor. For growers on a budget Blossom Blaster (Grotek), Bud Blood liquid or powder (Advanced Nutrients) or Blossom Blood all work well. Sea green Also compliments h&g well. It takes care of any residual build up that the drip clean can't handle. Make sure you get the additive stuff (from same manufacturer) that stops the foaming and weirdness of sea green if you're using it in a hydro system. Shout out to Rock Resinator & Bloombastic too. If you're not using the Shooting Powder/Top shooter try these out because they are awesome. DO NOT USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH HG.
Anyhow, there's my 2c rant for the day. Hit me up, purrrrple out!
Tips Up
I use 3 house and gardens products along with lots of other stuff. Aminos 5ml, root Excelurator 1ml, 15ml coco A/B. Plants are 4 weeks and 1 day and bigger than most 6 and 7 week plants
Hello,
Maybe this is a question for @a mongo frog @purrrrple
I have been trying to figure it out the specific differences with the bases: coco/soil/aqua/hydros. Besides the obvious coco for coil and soil for soil. Why is it that some people use aqua flakes in promix and could you use coco base in promix and/or could you use aqua flakes in coco? These questions came to thought because of wondering can be used in what variations (e.g hydros be used in coco, could aqua flakes? Multiple different other instances wondering about…what is it that house and garden recommends/knows?) Method of feeding: Automated watering to waste.
Besides the NPK, what makes the formulations differ from one another specifically?
Maybe this is a question for @a mongo frog @purrrrple
I have been trying to figure it out the specific differences with the bases: coco/soil/aqua/hydros. Besides the obvious coco for coil and soil for soil. Why is it that some people use aqua flakes in promix and could you use coco base in promix and/or could you use aqua flakes in coco? These questions came to thought because of wondering can be used in what variations (e.g hydros be used in coco, could aqua flakes? Multiple different other instances wondering about…what is it that house and garden recommends/knows?) Method of feeding: Automated watering to waste.
Besides the NPK, what makes the formulations differ from one another specifically?
a mongo frog
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Pretty sure most people buy Coco A&B For peat soilless w/perlite and coco. Ive never looked but I've been told there is more mag in the Coco A&B. Im just so stuck on using Aqua Flakes with peat and perlite because I'm scared of change. Ive used Aqua Flakes in coco and worked great. The coco was Royal Gold Tupar i believe. Soil A&B should be dropped from the shelfs i believe, I have zero experience with Hydro A&B. Ive also stopped using the additives other than the Multi Zen, and Shooting powder. And I'm sure there are less expensive and the exact same thing as Shooting Powder on the market. Sorry for the rant!!!!
Sativied
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Hydro is for run/drain to waste, aqua flakes for recirculating setups. Both are suitable for DWC. The difference according to H&G is ph stability (i.e. aqua flakes remain stable for longer in recirculating setups where the same nutrient solution may be used for a week or even longer).
Don’t know if there’s more mag but definitely more Ca in coco.