Police Interactions.

[captainmorgan]

It's harder to get a license to cut hair than become a cop in most places,that tells you everything you need to know.

 

[TacoMac]

It's harder to get a license to cut hair than become a cop in most places,that tells you everything you need to know.

Try it.

 

[hanimmal]

You answered your own question but warped yourself out of it.

They traced the IP of the illegal hack to her address. They were there to obtain computers, phones, laptops, tablets, anything of conducting the hack. They also had permission to take jump drives, external hard drives or any other digital device that could store illegally obtained data.

It was a very, very simple warrant to get and execute. Again, SHE defied the law. SHE refused to comply with the warrant. SHE turned off the lights and set up a camera. SHE hung up on police and refused to open the door.

Had she simply opened the door, signed the warrant and let them go about their business, they would have been in and out of there in about an hour and a half, tops.

And we're not having this conversation.

Because we are not in disagreement with what you said.

I am questioning the complaint that led to the search of her home. Time may tell if it was because DeSantis wanted to play down the virus and was mad about the person telling people to speak out about the virus or not. This is what you are not talking about.

 

[captainmorgan]

I have years of interaction with off duty cops through family, think I'll stick with my opinion of them.

 

[TacoMac]

I am questioning the complaint that led to the search of her home.

DeSantis doesn't have the power to do that. There has to be an underlying crime (the hack) then there has to be sufficient probable cause to obtain a warrant.

You can't just go to a judge with a piece of paper that says "shut this woman up" and have that work.

You have to submit evidence of the crime and how it was conducted.

According to the authorities, the IP of the hack traced to her house.

That is a slam dunk for a warrant.

If by some miracle it turns out to be wrong, then there will be a great many questions that need to be answered.

But her behavior sort of removes all doubt that they have it right.

 

[jimihendrix1]

DeSantis doesn't have the power to do that. There has to be an underlying crime (the hack) then there has to be sufficient probable cause to obtain a warrant.

You can't just go to a judge with a piece of paper that says "shut this woman up" and have that work.

You have to submit evidence of the crime and how it was conducted.

According to the authorities, the IP of the hack traced to her house.

That is a slam dunk for a warrant.

If by some miracle it turns out to be wrong, then there will be a great many questions that need to be answered.

But her behavior sort of removes all doubt that they have it right.

No Fucking Way.

The cops lied to the judge on me to obtain a warrant.
Luckily, it was brought out in court, by the Prosecutor no less, that the cops lied. AS IN LIED. DID NOT TELL THE TRUTH. TO THE FUCKING JUDGE.

Dont feed me the shit they need a good cause. They can lie as easily as a cat eats a mouse.

Prosecutor had to drop the case. I should have sued for Civil Rights Violation. But its way to long now. I would have won too.

Then theres the time they came to my house, after an ex ratted me out because I caught her cheating. They came with a 20 man swat team, blocked off both ends of the street, and had the house surrounded, cops laying on the ground, M16 pointed at every exit. Pointed at me when they came in the house, and found 5 grams of weed in 1 bag, and 2 in another, so they charged me with possession with intent to traffic within 1000yds of a school. When my family built the house in 1904.
Also I wasnt selling the weed. It was 2 different kinds.
7 grams got a felony conviction, and fucked up my Physical Therapy Degree.

Rats, and Liars can do alot of shit. Dont feed me shit, and expect to believe it, when Ive personally been on the other end of the stick where they violated my civil rights, and got away with it.

Then theres the time a partner ratted me out for 1000 clones. I told the FBI to fuck themselves when they tried to get me to rat. I got 8 years, and 4 years supervised release. 10-LIFE I pled guilty to. Mandatory Minimum. 3-5 MILLION $$$$$ FINE.
Dude that ratted me out got off scott free. No Time al All. He got caught with 500 clones I gave him, ratted me out, and they found about 600 more, and I got charged with manufacturing all of them. We were going to put them on his 1000+ acre farm, in south central ky. He also rented the home I was making the clones in. He Got Zero. I was 39, he was 70. I knew his nephew, and niece since grade school.

Cops, and Prosecutors are the worst. FBI think they can scare people. Some they can. Some they cant. Especially the ones that laugh in their faces, and tell them to go fuck themselves. They got tired of me really quick.

See why I hate the Fuzz??? Also all was Non-Violent, and no weapons ect were ever found. MFer trie3d to gwet me to rat on my life long friends. How would I walk down the street again. Who will I hang with when I got out??? Make new friends?? Theyll eventually find out your a rat.

 

[Fogdog]

DeSantis doesn't have the power to do that. There has to be an underlying crime (the hack) then there has to be sufficient probable cause to obtain a warrant.

You can't just go to a judge with a piece of paper that says "shut this woman up" and have that work.

You have to submit evidence of the crime and how it was conducted.

According to the authorities, the IP of the hack traced to her house.

That is a slam dunk for a warrant.

If by some miracle it turns out to be wrong, then there will be a great many questions that need to be answered.

But her behavior sort of removes all doubt that they have it right.

There doesn't have to be an underlying crime, there just has to be a warrant. Whether or not the warrant was justified is not something you or I have enough information to know. Florida's police and courts have no interest in proving itself wrong, so we'll probably never know.

Everything you say depends on statements made by Florida's police. From what I've seen of Portland's police, the police are an unreliable source of information.

 

[Rottedroots]

The cops have tried to screw me more than once because I don't kowtow to them at all and that makes them angry. There's now been 5 occasions where I have refused their request for ID and explained to them that if they detained me I would consider myself under arrest. I ask for a supervisor and usually don't say another word until a boss arrives. I have walked on every occasion suggesting they read up on the constitution they swore to follow. I also use my phone to at least record them. The key is to know your rights and not be a minority because apparently THEY have no rights under the constitution. There's two sets of standards. The one for rice and one for the beans. It's to bad about Floyd but everyday there are dozens of black men being beaten beyond recognition and that chit doesn't even make the news. What adds to my confusion is why so few cops don't step in and say what the fuck are you doing and how often you see black cops intervening. Being a privileged white man I can tell the cop to go fuck himself with no repercussions. If a cop uses unnecessary violence he should be charged and every cop who watched should be fired. Freaking pisses me off.

 

[Fogdog]

The cops have tried to screw me more than once because I don't kowtow to them at all and that makes them angry. There's now been 5 occasions where I have refused their request for ID and explained to them that if they detained me I would consider myself under arrest. I ask for a supervisor and usually don't say another word until a boss arrives. I have walked on every occasion suggesting they read up on the constitution they swore to follow. I also use my phone to at least record them. The key is to know your rights and not be a minority because apparently THEY have no rights under the constitution. There's two sets of standards. The one for rice and one for the beans. It's to bad about Floyd but everyday there are dozens of black men being beaten beyond recognition and that chit doesn't even make the news. What adds to my confusion is why so few cops don't step in and say what the fuck are you doing and how often you see black cops intervening. Being a privileged white man I can tell the cop to go fuck himself with no repercussions. If a cop uses unnecessary violence he should be charged and every cop who watched should be fired. Freaking pisses me off.

Every act of violence that a cop writes about in his reports is, according to the cop, justified. Every video that shows otherwise "does not show the whole story".

This is the justice system we have today.

 

[TrippleDip]

Cops raided my house on girlfriends word that I had weed in the house.
Cops lied to the judge to get a search warrant.

They came in with a 20 man swat team, found 7 grams of weed in 2 bags, and gave me 15 months felony conviction as it was in 2 bags, and I live within 1000 Yards of a school. Though my family built this house in 1904. I did 12 months with good time, and when I went to the parole board, they served me out, because they said my crime was so serious.

I got charged with trafficking within 1000yrds of a school because it was in 2 different baggies. 5 grams in one, 2 in the other, and were different strains.

They blocked off both ends of the street, and surrounded my house with 20 man swat team. I did have 5 adult PBs in the house, so they didnt just break down the door. Big PBs too. Trained. I had to put 4 of them on the back porch, or they would have eaten someone.

The one biggest male ( 89lbs of solid rock ) MOE, was a friendly dog, but would protect me. So he just walked around letting the cops pet him. One cop looked at me and said Ill shoot that dog. He had a 38, and I told him he better shoot him with something bigger than the pea shooter he was carrying because all its going to do is make him mad.. He didnt say anything more.

Cops lied on me. I should have sued them for civil rights violation, but didnt think about it.

Honestly, you should be mad at your girl for scheming not the cops for doing their job. Yeah that's shitty but those are the laws you (or your parents) voted for.

My big thing is that people think the law shouldn't apply to them. Ie speed limits in school zones are good but then turn around and say but it was an empty street fourty minutes before school lets out so it's not right.

This year a roommate decided to grow outdoor within the distance of a school for a mandatory jail sentence. They said it's personal and nobody will know - I still moved at a cost of nearly 10k. Small price to pay to make sure I'm safe.

Moral of the story is: know your laws and protect your interests. God knows the cops aren't going to help you, it's not their job.

Edit: nobody found out but it wasn't worth the risk.

 

[Fogdog]

Honestly, you should be mad at your girl for scheming not the cops for doing their job. Yeah that's shitty but those are the laws you (or your parents) voted for.

My big thing is that people think the law shouldn't apply to them. Ie speed limits in school zones are good but then turn around and say but it was an empty street fourty minutes before school lets out so it's not right.

This year a roommate decided to grow outdoor within the distance of a school for a mandatory jail sentence. They said it's personal and nobody will know - I still moved at a cost of nearly 10k. Small price to pay to make sure I'm safe.

Moral of the story is: know your laws and protect your interests. God knows the cops aren't going to help you, it's not their job.

Edit: nobody found out but it wasn't worth the risk.

"Cops lied to the judge"

Just want to mention that little detail that you left out. The police are supposed to enforce laws, not break them.

 

[TrippleDip]

an ex ratted me out because I caught her cheating. They came with a 20 man swat team,

Then theres the time a partner ratted me out

See why I hate the Fuzz???

Because they come when called? Open your eyes, police didn't do shit to you. Your ex and ex-partner did.

 

[TrippleDip]

Just want to mention that little detail that you left out.

Zero mention of that detail in the post I replied to. Had to keep reading the thread to get to that. What was the lie? The trustworthiness of the source?

 

[Fogdog]

Zero mention of that detail in the post I replied to. Had to keep reading the thread to get to that. What was the lie? The trustworthiness of the source?

Police lie all the time. There have been plenty of examples presented here and in the news.

They lie especially when they want to bust down some doors. That's what the protests are all about.

Breonna Taylor family's lawyers: Police lied about search time, acted on 'stale' intelligence

Louisville police relied on faulty intelligence and rewrote times on official reports as part of the Breonna Taylor shooting case, lawyers say.

www.courier-journal.com

They lie so often it's become a joke all on its own.

 

[injinji]

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/florida-republican-resigns-raid/

A Republican lawyer resigned Tuesday from a Florida judicial panel in objection to police raiding the home of a data scientist. That scientist was previously ousted from the state health department in what she has characterized as retribution for objecting to unethical requests during the pandemic.

Ron Filipkowski, who served on a nominating commission for the state’s 12th Circuit, wrote in a pointed resignation letter to Gov. Ron DeSantis’s general counsel that he considered the search warrant executed on Rebekah Jones’s home “unconscionable.” He also said it was indicative of the state’s “reckless and irresponsible” handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

“It just seems like it’s not really about any kind of criminal investigation,” Filipkowski told The Washington Post. “It’s about intimidation of her and sending a message to people currently working in state government that, ‘This could be you.’ ”

The state’s public-facing portal of pandemic data has been under scrutiny since earlier this year, when Jones, a former data scientist at the Florida Department of Health, was fired and began trading public accusations with the agency. She alleged that she was asked to undercount infections and overcount the number of people tested, while state officials said she had been repeatedly insubordinate.

Florida police raid house of fired data scientist who alleged state manipulated covid-19 stats

Jones launched her own data portal in June, advertising it as an independent alternative to the state dashboard. State police seized her computer, phone and other hardware during the raid Monday, in what she says is an attempt to silence her work.

An affidavit attached to the search warrant alleges that Jones gained unauthorized access last month to a health department communication platform and sent a message to about 1,750 people, urging them to speak out against the department’s pandemic response.

Jones has denied the accusation and has not been criminally charged. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney for the region encompassing Leon County did not respond to a question about whether she was likely to face charges.

Filipkowski submitted his resignation after reviewing the search warrant affidavit, ending a decade of service on the volunteer commission to which he was appointed by DeSantis (R) and then-Gov. Rick Scott (R). Filipkowski, a Marine veteran and former state and federal prosecutor, also has a private criminal law practice.

“The recent events regarding public access to truthful data on the pandemic, and the specific treatment of Rebekah Jones, has made the issue a legal one rather than just medical,” he wrote in the letter. “ … I no longer wish to serve the current government of Florida in any capacity.”

He added that he would regard Jones as a hero if the allegations were true and that he did not believe DeSantis spokesman Fred Piccolo’s contention that the governor was unaware of the raid in advance.

Florida fired its coronavirus data scientist. Now she’s publishing the statistics on her own.

Filipkowski, who promoted the candidacy of now President-elect Joe Biden, said he received no response to his letter from the governor’s office. Representatives of DeSantis did not respond to questions Wednesday about whether they accepted Filipkowski’s resignation or had a response to his criticisms.

DeSantis’s handling of the coronavirus, which has infected more than 1 million people in Florida and killed nearly 20,000, had long concerned Filipkowski. The state’s pandemic rules, among the loosest in the country, include allowing bars and restaurants to operate at full capacity.

But the raid on Jones’s home was the last straw for Filipkowski, who said he thought it was an aggressive response to the alleged breach and that its broad sweep was a thinly veiled attempt to determine which state employees were in touch with Jones and intimidate them into silence.

He said he believed Jones’s situation would be covered by Florida’s legal “necessity” doctrine, which protects people who commit a crime to prevent a more serious danger.

“If that’s a crime, there’s something wrong,” Filipkowski said of Jones allegedly messaging state employees. “The computer hacking statute in Florida was meant to prevent people from stealing other people’s identity, crashing their servers — not for sending an email urging people to tell the truth.”

The search warrant was signed by Judge Joshua Hawkes, whom DeSantis appointed in September, the Tampa Bay Times reported.

Jones has continued to speak out on her own behalf since the raid, telling CNN on Wednesday that she was concerned officials would use the electronic devices they seized from her to identify state employees leaking information to her as whistleblowers.

“DeSantis needs to worry less about what I’m writing about and more about the people who are sick and dying in his state,” she said. “And doing this to me will not stop me from reporting the data, ever.”

Jones has encountered law enforcement before. She faces a pending misdemeanor charge of cyberstalking a former romantic partner in 2019, to which she has pleaded not guilty, court records show. Another cyberstalking charge and a sexual cyber-harassment charge stemming from the same incident were dropped. Previous charges against her of criminal mischief, trespassing, robbery and contempt of court for violating a domestic violence injunction were also dropped.

 

[injinji]

I heard this story this morning on NPR. Pretty scary.

With Far-Right Extremism On The Rise, Germany Investigates Its Police

Whether it's officers participating in neo-Nazi chat groups or hoarding ammunition to prepare for a doomsday scenario, extremism is a persistent problem among those who enforce the law in Germany.

www.npr.org

 

[Rob Roy]

That's a great observation. Offensive force however will still be used by criminals and one might be justified in using pre-emptive offensive force? How would you stop a suicide for example using only defensive force?

Good question.

It depends on the nature/circumstances of the suicide and the person attempting the suicide. They sometimes differ.

For instance, a person of sound mind with a terminal illness may decide to to end their life. I think that's their choice. Doubt I'd intervene there.

Another person, intoxicated etc. who threatens to kill themself, might get a different response. If it were a person close to me, I'd probably intervene and suffer the consequences or benefits after they sobered up. It could also be argued in that instance, I was acting "defensively" on their behalf.

 

[hanimmal]

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-kansas-city-police-lawsuits-kansas-b2ed9f2cde9e1cf22c56968969ca9db1

BELLE PLAINE, Kan. (AP) — The dashcam video captured a horrific scene: a Kansas sheriff’s deputy in a patrol truck mowing down a Black man who was running, shirtless, across a field in the summer darkness after fleeing a traffic stop.

Lionel Womack — a 35-year-old former police detective from Kansas City, Kansas — alleges in a excessive force lawsuit filed Thursday that he sustained serious injuries when Kiowa County Sheriff’s Deputy Jeremy Rodriguez intentionally drove over him during the Aug. 15 encounter.

Womack said in a statement that he hadn’t been speeding nor was he under the influence of anything when he was initially pulled over. His driver’s license, insurance and registration were up to date.

“When the first officer turned his lights on, I pulled over and complied ... exactly as you’re supposed to. But when three additional vehicles pulled up quickly and started to surround my car, I freaked out. That’s when I took off, it was a ‘fight or flight’ moment and I was going to live,” he said. “I felt like I was in danger. This was out in the country, late at night, and it was dark. So I ran for my life. That’s what you see in the dashcam video. I’m running in an open field, and I’m scared.”

The graphic video is at the crux of the federal civil rights case filed by attorney Michael Kuckelman against the deputy in U.S. District Court in Kansas. The lawsuit argues that Rodriguez used excessive force and was “callously indifferent” to Womack’s civil rights.

Womack had left the police department earlier in August with hopes of growing his own security business. He was on his way back home from a business trip to California when a Kansas Highway Patrol officer in western Kansas initiated a chase over “an alleged traffic violation,” according to the lawsuit. Sheriff’s deputies from Pratt County and Kiowa County joined in the chase.

The car chase eventually ended on a dirt road, and Womack took off on foot across a nearby farm field.

The dashcam footage from a Pratt County sheriff’s deputy’s vehicle shows Rodriguez using his patrol truck to catch up to Womack, who was unarmed.

Rodriguez swerves his truck to hit Womack, knocking him to the ground and running over him. Womack rolls out from under the truck, his arms and legs flailing on the ground as someone on the video shouts, “lie down, lie down.” A deputy in the second patrol truck can be heard uttering an expletive as he watches what is happening.

Womack alleges in his lawsuit that he sustained serious injuries to his back, pelvis and thigh as well as to his right knee, ankle and foot.

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“The dashcam video is disturbing,” Kuckelman said. “It is impossible to watch a video of a deputy driving his truck over Mr. Womack without feeling sick. There was nowhere for Mr. Womack to go. It was an open field, and he was trapped, yet the deputy drove his truck over him anyway.”

Neither Kiowa County Sheriff Chris Tedder nor his attorney has responded to Associated Press requests for comment. No one has explained why Rodriguez chose to run Womack down. The deputy’s race is unclear.

Kuckelman urged Tedder in person and in letters to fire Rodriguez, and the sheriff has refused. Rodriguez remains on patrol. Kuckelman also wants Rodriguez charged criminally and has accused the sheriff of engaging in a coverup of the deputy’s conduct.

Four months later, Womack remains jailed on felony charges of attempting to elude a law enforcement officer by engaging in reckless driving and interference with a law enforcement officer. Court records show he is also charged with several misdemeanor traffic citations, including failure to drive in the right lane on a four-lane highway, improper signal and driving without headlights.

Womack comes from a law enforcement family. His wife and his mother are police officers with the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department. His stepfather retired from police work as a sergeant there. Two aunts are police dispatchers.

Zee Womack watched the video of her husband being run over for the first time on Wednesday, replaying it four times as she struggled to understand why the deputy felt justified in using such force. Her husband is lucky to be alive, she said.

“I am a police officer as well, and I feel like especially right now it is a really difficult time to be a police officer. We don’t always get the support, I guess, that would be helpful in this occupation,” she said shortly after watching the video. “And this makes it a lot more difficult to be an officer.”

An officer who is capable of making decisions like that, she said, should not have a badge.

“To me it showed a blatant disregard for human life,” she said. Zee Womack filed a federal lawsuit last year alleging “rampant racism and sexism” in the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department.

Lionel Womack said in his statement that most police officers are good and that he believes in the “blue brotherhood.”

“But we have to hold law enforcement accountable when they cross the line,” he said “These rogue law enforcement officers give a bad name to the good officers, and we have to stop them. I never imagined that I would someday be the victim of excessive force by a fellow law enforcement officer. He could have easily killed me.”

 

[TacoMac]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/09/florida-republican-resigns-raid/
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And then there's what really happened:

Fair warning: It is extremely boring and frustrating.