Police Interactions.

jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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TrippleDip said:
Yeah, and no. Every encounter with US police has been pretty ok. I even got picked up by ICE once walking along the NH-Canada border, and they were pretty cool too.

Our countries aren't *that* different you know, much of the US is closer and more accessible to me than Canada. Being so close means the populations are really intertwined too - I have two American grandfathers and dozens of American cousins. You probably have family up here too.

Let me rant about some of the encounters I have had with the police here and why I think they were justified (I think you will disagree)
  • Cop cracked a friends skull for being lippy. Unjustified, worse knowing there's nothing you can do - no witnesses, no money to waste on a lawyer. No one can argue that events like this aren't the cops fault, but tbh he had it coming, some citizen on the street would probably have had even less restraint.
  • Got arrested someplace we shouldn't have been, were separated, taken to machine rooms without cameras, handcuffed to the wall and told to talk under threat of violence. Justified. We were in the wrong obviously by being there in the first place. I would even go as far as supporting the torture of convicted criminals in order to convict more criminals, court approved only in extreme cases obviously.
  • Got arrested on the street outside my house because they thought I was someone else fleeing a robbery. Justified, see above. Preventing crime means some innocent people will experience some inconvenience for the good of everyone.
Probably half the people on here have experienced having a cop approach while smoking only to search you (illegally), take your drugs and give you a warning. What's the other option (in the current system)? He could just arrest you, search you legally but then he would have to charge you. Sometimes the illegal route really is the best way.

This was kindof a rambling post I know, but life is messy, what is right, just, or morally correct is not drawn in stone like the laws are and this debate is a reflection of that. Police really are there for the benefit of us all, and it sucks that some innocent people are treated unfairly but it is reality and I'm prepared to live with it over the alternatives.

Sidenote: If we truly care about the people shot by police, instead of putting up roadblocks for them, we would decrease the number of people on the streets with guns, decrease the number of people with the mindset they would rather suicide by cop than go to jail. Then we would see a better more amicable interaction between police and citizen.
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Cops raided my house on girlfriends word that I had weed in the house.
Cops lied to the judge to get a search warrant.

They came in with a 20 man swat team, found 7 grams of weed in 2 bags, and gave me 15 months felony conviction as it was in 2 bags, and I live within 1000 Yards of a school. Though my family built this house in 1904. I did 12 months with good time, and when I went to the parole board, they served me out, because they said my crime was so serious.

I got charged with trafficking within 1000yrds of a school because it was in 2 different baggies. 5 grams in one, 2 in the other, and were different strains.

They blocked off both ends of the street, and surrounded my house with 20 man swat team. I did have 5 adult PBs in the house, so they didnt just break down the door. Big PBs too. Trained. I had to put 4 of them on the back porch, or they would have eaten someone.

The one biggest male ( 89lbs of solid rock ) MOE, was a friendly dog, but would protect me. So he just walked around letting the cops pet him. One cop looked at me and said Ill shoot that dog. He had a 38, and I told him he better shoot him with something bigger than the pea shooter he was carrying because all its going to do is make him mad.. He didnt say anything more.

Cops lied on me. I should have sued them for civil rights violation, but didnt think about it.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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captainmorgan said:
Fuck the cops,they pointed their weapons at the children.
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No, they did not. They followed standard operating procedure. One man had his weapon aimed up the stairs to clear the stairs and ordered whoever was up there to come down. He then immediately lowered his weapon when he saw them at the head of the stairs.

Look, the cops did everything by the book here. She on the other hand did not.

The police knocked on the door, announced who they were and that they had a warrant. She wouldn't open the door. They then called her on the telephone, told her exactly why they were there and that they would be as quick and discreet as possible.

She hung up on them.

It was over 20 minutes later that, under threat of the door being knocked down, she finally opened the door. At that point, as a cop, you're worried that they've taken that time to set up a trap, dispose of evidence, and God knows what else.

Their guns were back in their holsters before the end of that video that is only 30 seconds long. She's screaming and trying to dramatize it to get people like you who simply hate all cops at face value to jump on her side.

The reality is, she's the instigator of the entire affair. She could have and should have simply opened the door, asked them to wait for her attorney to arrive, and drank a cup of coffee. Had the father run the kids out to the park or something to go for a walk, social distancing with masks of course.

But no.

She's going to ignore police orders and put her entire family at risk. That was stupid on an entirely new level. So stupid in fact that I think she's guilty as hell and is going to wind up going to prison.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Fuck the cops! Why were guns pulled at all,because they are cowards and bullies. This is a white woman from the suburbs with a husband and small children that works in a fucking office, not fucking Al-Qaeda, maybe she wanted to call her attorney before opening her door.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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captainmorgan said:
Fuck the cops! Why were guns pulled at all,because they are cowards and bullies. This is a white woman from the suburbs with a husband and small children that works in a fucking office, not fucking Al-Qaeda, maybe she wanted to call her attorney before opening her door.
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The only thing I think of though is how they arrested Stone.

I don't think it is much different tbh.

At least they didn't Parscale her.

 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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It was a politically motivated raid, DeSantis is a mass murder, this is small potatoes compared to that. Nothing she did warranted investigation much less indictment, they and those they protect, do far worse every day of the week. Judges hear cases and juries decide, but before that the state can abuse people like they did here. We will see what evidence comes out in court and if there will end up being a federal investigation of the matter in the new year.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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captainmorgan said:
Fuck the cops! Why were guns pulled at all,because they are cowards and bullies. This is a white woman from the suburbs with a husband and small children that works in a fucking office, not fucking Al-Qaeda, maybe she wanted to call her attorney before opening her door.
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Their guns were pulled because of her. She acted in a way that normally spells death to a cop.

She knew that. That's why she acted as she did and tried to dramatize the situation.

And you fell for it. A court of law will not.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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To take that one step further:

Why were the lights out to make the cops use flash lights in that hallway?

Why did she set up the camera?

Why did she intentionally stand to the left side of the door out of camera shot?

And you don't think she staged all that? She knew that is EXACTLY what would happen.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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TacoMac said:
Their guns were pulled because of her. She acted in a way that normally spells death to a cop.

She knew that. That's why she acted as she did and tried to dramatize the situation.

And you fell for it. A court of law will not.
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To be fair, the police pulled their guns because they were at her house to do the search due to DeSantis (or whoever from his administration) calling them on her.

TacoMac said:
To take that one step further:

Why were the lights out to make the cops use flash lights in that hallway?

Why did she set up the camera?

Why did she intentionally stand to the left side of the door out of camera shot?

And you don't think she staged all that? She knew that is EXACTLY what would happen.
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I can agree that you are most likely right. But it doesn't mean that it wasn't because she knew Trump's Flordia cultist DeSantis wanted to silence her and she took steps to be ready when they did to elevate this story when they did.

I didn't see anything about her hanging up on the cops, just that they called, it seems a bit fuzzy that she talked to anyone. To me, 20 minutes is not a long time if I need to get dressed, get my dogs put away and call a lawyer.

But I do agree them pulling guns while it is shitty, I don't see anything wrong with them keeping safe just in case. Only that they were called in the first place on her.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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hanimmal said:
To be fair, the police pulled their guns because they were at her house to do the search due to DeSantis (or whoever from his administration) calling them on her.
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Wrong. That is not standard procedure. They had a search warrant and were there to serve it. Upon arrival, they simply knocked on the door to serve the warrant.

NORMALLY, the person opens the door and is shown the warrant. You are then asked to sign the warrant and they will ask if anybody else is in the house. They'll ask for all of you to either exit the premises or sit in one room together while they conduct their search and retrieve items contained in the warrant.

In the case of children, they typically ask one parent to take them someplace (an aunt's, friends, whatever) so they're not traumatized by events.

After they conduct their search, they will categorize what they retrieved, make a list of it on their form, and give a copy of that form to the person.

That's it. That's how it's done. She changed all of that with her actions.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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And maybe many of the cops standard procedures should be changed, they are suppose to protect and serve, they are public servants after all not public abusers.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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captainmorgan said:
Suck some more cop dick, just another example of the cops abusing the public.
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Whatever.

Fact is they did nothing wrong. She set that whole thing up. Some creative reading for you:

www.police1.com

Texas officer shot to death while serving warrant

58-year-old Officer Kenneth Copeland died Monday afternoon after being shot multiple times
www.police1.com www.police1.com

www.wsfa.com

Pine Hill police officer shot 3 times while serving warrant

A police officer in Wilcox County is recovering after being shot multiple times early Friday morning, according to the district attorney's office.
www.wsfa.com www.wsfa.com

abcnews.go.com

Police officer serving warrant is killed; fugitive arrested

Authorities say a Philadelphia police officer was shot and killed as he served a homicide warrant at a home
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

www.foxnews.com

Florida police officer shot while serving warrant, suspect killed in ‘gun battle,’ chief says

Florida police shot and killed a man wanted for attempted murder on Saturday after the suspect opened fire on officers, striking one of them during what officials described as a “gun battle.”
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

That's just the first 4. The list is endless.

When you're a cop, and you're serving a warrant, and you knock and the person talks but refuses to open the door. Then you call and try to talk them down, talk them into opening the door, that it's just a search warrant and then they hang up on you. Then they refuse to comply for nearly half an hour, you pretty much expect that they're not going to go gently into that good night.

It happens every single day.

If you can't deal with the facts, then you're the one with the problem. In the end, it ended well. A great many times it does not.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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TacoMac said:
Wrong. That is not standard procedure. They had a search warrant and were there to serve it. Upon arrival, they simply knocked on the door to serve the warrant.

NORMALLY, the person opens the door and is shown the warrant. You are then asked to sign the warrant and they will ask if anybody else is in the house. They'll ask for all of you to either exit the premises or sit in one room together while they conduct their search and retrieve items contained in the warrant.

In the case of children, they typically ask one parent to take them someplace (an aunt's, friends, whatever) so they're not traumatized by events.

After they conduct their search, they will categorize what they retrieved, make a list of it on their form, and give a copy of that form to the person.

That's it. That's how it's done. She changed all of that with her actions.
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Im not disagreeing with what you said, I agree that was what occurred and that while I am not a fan of the police drawing weapons on Americans, they do need to keep themselves safe.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-statement-regarding-Rebekah-Jones-search-warr
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I am questioning the reason why they were conducting that search warrant.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/11/27/floridas-emergency-communications-channel-hacked-according-to-state-officials/
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The Florida Department of Health says someone hacked into a system used to send emergency communications earlier this month and sent an unauthorized message to members of the State Emergency Response Team responsible for coordinating public health and medical response.

The Nov. 10 message, obtained by the Tampa Bay Times, urged recipients to “speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don’t have to be a part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before it’s too late.”

As of the date of the message, Florida had reported 17,460 coronavirus-related deaths among Florida residents and non-residents.

“The fact that someone would use an emergency alert system for their own purpose, whatever it is, is both irresponsible and unlawful,” said Jason Mahon, spokesman the Florida Department of Health and the Florida Division of Emergency Management.

Mahon said the state had not identified the person who sent the text message but said Florida Department of Health officials had contacted the Florida Department of Law Enforcement “to look into this matter, and we expect that the individual who sent the message will be held accountable.”

A spokeswoman with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement was not able to say Friday whether her department had opened any investigation into the incident.

The message appears to have been sent to people on the contact list for the state’s Emergency Support Function 8, one of 18 specialized groups that comprise the state’s emergency response personnel. Group 8, which is led by the Department of Health, coordinates public health and medicine response in emergencies.

Mahon did not respond to additional questions about who receives messages from that emergency alert account, or about whether the department believed the message sender was from within the department.

He also did not respond to questions about what, if anything, had been done to better secure the emergency alert system against future hacks, nor whether there have been other instances where the system had been hacked.

While the intent of the person behind the text message is not clear, it comes as Gov. Ron DeSantis has opted to keep the Sunshine State open for business even as the state has seen a significant rise in coronavirus cases that is expected to surge further in the coming weeks.

DeSantis has lifted most of the coronavirus-related restrictions he’d imposed and has stymied the ability of local governments to enforce their own mask mandates.

Meanwhile, the state’s top health official, Surgeon General Scott Rivkees, appears to have been largely sidelined in regards to public messaging on the coronavirus pandemic and has not appeared at one of the governor’s news conferences in months.


The Department of Health’s Twitter account, which had been posting regular reminders about precautions like mask-wearing, hand washing, social distancing and protecting the elderly and vulnerable amid the pandemic, has largely stopped such messages on Twitter in recent months.

“There seems to be a silence order throughout the Department of Health and state government,” said Jay Wolfson, a senior associate dean at the University of South Florida’s Morsani College of Medicine. He said there’s been a “mysterious end to any ‘science-based’ state messaging.”

“It appears to be consistent with a policy that less accurate information is better and that transparent knowledge is not of value to public behavior,” Wolfson said.

In recent weeks, DeSantis has largely avoided questions from reporters but has posted video messages discussing progress on coronavirus vaccines and therapeutics.
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/07/florida-police-seize-computer-of-covid-data-whistleblower/
In an affidavit signed by FDLE investigator Noel Pratt on Dec. 3, he concluded the email message was sent to approximately 1,750 accounts before it was discovered. Pratt said in the affidavit that he tracked down the IP address of the computer associated with the email and it directed him to Jones’ home address, which he said was probable cause to conduct a search of her property and seize her computers.

Jones said FDLE agents told her the Department of Health’s inspector general’s office gave them her IP address. “I guess they just signed off on that and showed up at my house with guns,’' she said.
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I am not sure that sending a email to less than 2,000 people urging them to speak up about DeSantis playing down the Corona virus like Trump wants should warrant their home being raided.

Especially when raiding someone's home can be so dangerous to the police involved.
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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Get a grip on reality, this was not a arrest warrant of a murder suspect. This was about a dispute of facts,or does the death penalty come into play anytime you encounter the cops?
 
V256.420

V256.420

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hanimmal said:
I am not sure that sending a email to less than 2,000 people urging them to speak up about DeSantis playing down the Corona virus like Trump wants should warrant their home being raided.

Especially when raiding someone's home can be so dangerous to the police involved.
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This.

The officers did what they were paid to do. The scumbag Desantis is another whole thing in itself.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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hanimmal said:
Im not disagreeing with what you said, I agree that was what occurred and that while I am not a fan of the police drawing weapons on Americans, they do need to keep themselves safe.

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/News/2020/December/FDLE-statement-regarding-Rebekah-Jones-search-warr
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I am questioning the reason why they were conducting that search warrant.

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2020/11/27/floridas-emergency-communications-channel-hacked-according-to-state-officials/
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/07/florida-police-seize-computer-of-covid-data-whistleblower/


I am not sure that sending a email to less than 2,000 people urging them to speak up about DeSantis playing down the Corona virus like Trump wants should warrant their home being raided.

Especially when raiding someone's home can be so dangerous to the police involved.
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You answered your own question but warped yourself out of it.

They traced the IP of the illegal hack to her address. They were there to obtain computers, phones, laptops, tablets, anything of conducting the hack. They also had permission to take jump drives, external hard drives or any other digital device that could store illegally obtained data.

It was a very, very simple warrant to get and execute. Again, SHE defied the law. SHE refused to comply with the warrant. SHE turned off the lights and set up a camera. SHE hung up on police and refused to open the door.

Had she simply opened the door, signed the warrant and let them go about their business, they would have been in and out of there in about an hour and a half, tops.

And we're not having this conversation.
 
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