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Big P

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SOMTHING FOR THE SHEEP WHO SHUT THIER EYES AND EARS AND STILL DO AND WILL




Subject: Did Bush lie ?? See the answer
Interesting that the major media buried the story because it proved them (and Democrats) wrong about the whole situation in Iraq.
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You will find verification links at the end of this article.

This has been flying under the radar. Read the MSNBC article and check the truthorfiction.com
<http://truthorfiction.com/> site. The TorF version is shown below. This event is factual. I have an increased respect for President Bush. He has taken the heat of being called a liar and a war monger for 5 years while he kept his silence to protect the people of the world. This is truly a display of selfless honor.

On July 5, 2008, the Associated Press (AP) released a story titled: Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq. The opening paragraph is as follows: The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

See anything wrong with this picture? We have been hearing from the far-left for more than five years how, Bush lied. Somehow, that slogan loses its credibility now that 550 metric tons of Saddam's yellowcake, used for nuclear weapon enrichment, has been discovered and shipped to Canada for its new use as nuclear energy.

It appears that American troops found the 550 metric tons of uranium in 2003 after invading Iraq. They had to sit on this information and the uranium itself, for fear of terrorists attempting to steal it. It was guarded and kept safe by our military in a 23,000-acre site with large sand beams surrounding the site.

This is vindication for the Bush administration, having been attacked mercilessly by the liberal media and the far-left pundits on the blogosphere. Now that it is proven that President Bush did not lie about Saddam's nuclear ambitions, one would think the mainstream media would report the story. Once the AP released the he story, the mainstream media should have picked it up and broadcast it worldwide.

This never happened, due in large part I believe, to the fact that the mainstream media would have to admit they were wrong about Bush's war motives all along. Thankfully, the AP got it right when it said, The removal of 550 metric tons of yellowcake the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy.

Closing the book on Saddam's nuclear legacy. Did Saddam have a nuclear legacy after all? I thought Bush lied. As it turns out, the people who lied were Joe Wilson and his wife.

Valerie Plame engaged in a clear case of nepotism an d convinced the CIA to send her husband on a fact finding mission in February 2002, seeking to determine if Saddam Hussein attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger. The CIA and British intelligence believed Saddam contacted Niger for that
purpose but needed proof.

During his trip to Niger, Wilson actually interviewed the former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki. Mayaki told Wilson that in June of 1999, an Iraqi delegation expressed interest in 'expanding commercial relations' for the purposes of purchasing yellowcake.

Wilson chose to overlook Mayaki's remarks and reported to the CIA that there was no evidence of Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from Niger.

However, with British intelligence insisting the claim was true, President Bush used that same claim in his State of the Union address in January of 2003.

Outraged by Bush's insistence that the claim was true, Wilson wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in the summer of 2003 slamming Bush.

Wilson did this in spite of the fact that Mayaki said Saddam did try to buy the yellowcake from Niger. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disagreed with Wilson and supported Mayaki's claim. This meant nothing to Wilson who was opposed to the Iraq war and thus had ulterior motives in covering up the prime minister's statements.

It was a simple tactic really. If the far-left and their friends in the media could prove Bush lied about Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from Niger, it would undermine President Bush's credibility and give them more cause for asking what other lies he may have told.

Yet, the real lie came from Wilson, who interpreted his own meaning from the prime minister's statements and concluded all by himself that the claim of Saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake was 'unequivocally wrong.' Curiously, the CIA sat on this information and did not inform th e CIA Director, who sided with Bush on the yellowcake claim. This was made public in a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in July 2004.

Valerie Plame also engaged in her own lie campaign by spreading the notion that the Bush administration outed her as a CIA agent. Never mind
that it was Richard Armitage -- no friend of the Bush administration -- who leaked Plame's identity to the press. Never mind that Plame had not
been in the field as a CIA agent in some six years.

The truth is, due to their opposition to the war, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, the mainstream media and their left-wing friends on the blogosphere engaged in a propaganda campaign to undermine the Bush administration. Now that Saddam's uranium has been made public and is no longer a threat to the world, do you think these aforementioned parties will apologize and admit they were wrong? Don't count on it. The rest of the American people should hear the truth about Saddam's uranium. It is up to you and me to inform them every chance we get.

As far as the anti-war crowd is concerned, the next time they say that, 'Bush lied,' we should tell them to, 'Have the yellowcake and eat it too.'


This story was verified, if you want to check it for yourself, click on the links below.

U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - Conflict in Iraq
MSNBC.com

U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq
Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada
The Associated Press

updated 6:57 p.m. ET July 5, 2008

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

"Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth "tens of millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

"We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.
Secret mission

The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives — kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.
And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.

Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger — and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims — led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration.

Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.
Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site — surrounded by huge sand berms — following a wave of looting after Saddam's fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.

Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.

"The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust," said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.
Hurdles ahead of hauling yellowcake

Diplomats and military leaders first weighed the idea of shipping the yellowcake overland to Kuwait's port on the Persian Gulf. Such a route, however, would pass through Iraq's Shiite heartland and within easy range of extremist factions, including some that Washington claims are aided by Iran. The ship also would need to clear the narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf, where U.S. and Iranian ships often come in close contact.

Kuwaiti authorities, too, were reluctant to open their borders to the shipment despite top-level lobbying from Washington.
An alternative plan took shape: shipping out the yellowcake on cargo planes.

But the yellowcake still needed a final destination. Iraqi government officials sought buyers on the commercial market, where uranium prices spiked at about $120 per pound last year. It's currently selling for about half that. The Cameco deal was reached earlier this year, the official said.
At that point, U.S.-led crews began removing the yellowcake from the Saddam-era containers — some leaking or weakened by corrosion — and reloading the material into about 3,500 secure barrels.

In April, truck convoys started moving the yellowcake from Tuwaitha to Baghdad's international airport, the official said. Then, for two weeks in May, it was ferried in 37 flights to Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory in the Indian Ocean where the U.S. military maintains a base.
On June 3, an American ship left the island for Montreal, said the official, who declined to give further details about the operation.

The yellowcake wasn't the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.
Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said.
Saddam's stockpile

The yellowcake was the last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts, but years of final cleanup is ahead for Tuwaitha and other smaller sites.
The U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency plans to offer technical expertise.

Last month, a team of Iraqi nuclear experts completed training in the Ukrainian ghost town of Pripyat, which once housed the Chernobyl workers before the deadly meltdown in 1986, said an IAEA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decontamination plan has not yet been publicly announced.

But the job ahead is enormous, complicated by digging out radioactive "hot zones" entombed in concrete during Saddam's rule, said the IAEA official. Last year, an IAEA safety expert, Dennis Reisenweaver, predicted the cleanup could take "many years."
The yellowcake issue also is one of the many troubling footnotes of the war for Washington.

A CIA officer, Valerie Plame, claimed her identity was leaked to journalists to retaliate against her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who wrote that he had found no evidence to support assertions that Iraq tried to buy additional yellowcake from Niger.
A federal investigation led to the conviction of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.
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500 Tons of Uranium Yellowcake Moved From Iraq to Canada-Truth!
Summary of the eRumor:
Various commentaries and news agency reports about radio active concentrates of uranium known as "yellowcake" being secretly transported from Iraq to a base in Canada.
The Truth:

This eRumor started circulating in August, 2008.
"Yellowcake" (or "yellowcakes") is a concentrate of uranium that results from the refinement of uranium ore. It is used for making fuel for nuclear power plants and for use in nuclear weapons.

According to published reports including CBS news, the United States secretly moved a huge stockpile of yellowcake in early August, 2008, from Iraq to Canada, partly to keep it from falling into the hands of either terrorists or foreign governments such as Iran.

The operation was reportedly more than a year in the making and took three months to execute. It included carrying 3,500 barrels of yellowcake by road from Baghdad, then flying them on 37 military flights to an atoll in the Indian Ocean, then carrying them aboard a U.S. ship bound for Montreal. In all, it added up to more than 500 metric tons of material from Saddam Hussein's nuclear program.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium company and it will be used in Ontario, Canada, for use in nuclear reactors.
A CBS report said, "And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam's weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion. Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger - and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims - led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration. "

The news report went on to say that the yellowcake "had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991."
updated 10/26/06

A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet:
Version #1:

On July 5, 2008, the Associated Press (AP)
released a story titled: Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq.
The opening paragraph is as follows:
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

See anything wrong with this picture? We have been hearing from the far-left for more than five years how, Bush lied. Somehow, that slogan loses its credibility now that 550 metric tons of Saddam's yellowcake, used for nuclear weapon enrichment, has been discovered and shipped to Canada for its new use as nuclear energy.

It appears that American troops found the 550 metric tons of uranium in 2003 after invading Iraq. They had to sit on this information and the uranium itself, for fear of terrorists attempting to steal it. It was guarded and kept safe by our military in a 23,000-acre site with large sand beams surrounding the site.
This is vindication for the Bush administration, having been attacked mercilessly by the liberal media and the far-left pundits on the blogosphere. Now that it is proven that President Bush did not lie about Saddam's nuclear ambitions, one would think the

mainstream media would report the story. Once the AP released the story, the mainstream media should have picked it up and broadcast it worldwide.
This never happened, due in large part I believe, to the fact that the mainstream media would have to admit they were wrong about Bush's war motives all along. Thankfully, the AP got it right when it said,

The removal of 550 metric tons of yellowcake the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy.

Closing the book on Saddam's nuclear legacy. Did Saddam have a nuclear legacy after all? I thought Bush lied. As it turns out, the people who lied were Joe Wilson and his wife.

Valerie Plame engaged in a clear case of nepotism and convinced the CIA to send her husband on a fact finding mission in February 2002, seeking to determine if Saddam Hussein attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger. The CIA and British intelligence believed Saddam contacted Niger for that purpose but needed proof.

During his trip to Niger, Wilson actually interviewed the former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki. Mayaki told Wilson that in June of 1999, an Iraqi delegation expressed interest in "expanding commercial relations" for the purposes of purchasing yellowcake.

Wilson chose to overlook Mayaki's remarks and reported to the CIA that there was no evidence of Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from Niger.
However, with British intelligence insisting the claim was true, President Bush used that same claim in his State of the Union address in January of 2003.
Outraged by Bush's insistence that the claim was true, Wilson wrote an op-ed in the New York Times in the summer of 2003 slamming Bush.

Wilson did this in spite of the fact that Mayaki said Saddam did try to buy the yellowcake from Niger. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disagreed with Wilson and supported Mayaki's claim. This meant nothing to Wilson who
was opposed to the Iraq war and thus had ulterior motives in covering up the prime minister's statements.

It was a simple tactic really. If the far-left and their friends in the media could prove Bush lied about Hussein wanting to purchase
yellowcake from Niger, it would undermine President Bush's credibility and give them more cause for asking what other lies he may have told.
Yet, the real lie came from Wilson, who interpreted his own meaning from the prime minister's statements and concluded all by

himself that the claim of Saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake was "unequivocally wrong." Curiously, the CIA sat on this information and did not inform the CIA Director, who sided with Bush on the yellowcake claim. This was made public in a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in July 2004.
Valerie Plame also engaged in her own lie campaign by spreading the notion that the Bush administration outed her as a CIA agent. Never mind that it was Richard Armitage -- no friend of the Bush administration -- who leaked Plame's identity to the press. Never mind that Plame had not been in the field as a CIA agent in some six years.

The truth is, due to their opposition to the war, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, the mainstream media and their left-wing friends on the
blogosphere engaged in a propaganda campaign to undermine the Bush administration. Now that Saddam's uranium has been made public and is no longer a threat to the world, do you think these aforementioned parties will apologize and admit they were wrong? Don't count on it. The rest of the American people should hear the truth about Saddam's uranium. It is up to you and me to inform them every chance we get.

As far as the anti-war crowd is concerned, the next time they say that, "Bush lied," we should tell them to, "Have the yellowcake and eat it too."
Version #2:

A national defense analyst says President Bush should be commended for keeping quiet about a discovery that could have blown his critics out of the water.

Retired Major General Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran who served as an Army aviator, paratrooper, and Ranger during a military career that began during the Korean conflict. He recently wrote on his blog about a very under reported story by the Associated Press.

According to the report, a large stockpile of concentrated natural Uranium, known as "yellowcake," reached a Canadian port to complete a top secret U.S. Operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad, and a ship voyage crossing two oceans. The Uranium material had been housed at a former Iraqi nuclear complex 12 miles from Baghdad.

Curry says the president kept mum about the discovery in order to keep terrorists in the dark. "He made a very brave stand, a resolute stand..., in which he decided that he wasn't going to blab everything to the press," Curry commends. "...And in the meantime while he kept it quiet, he was buying time from the terrorists to get all that stuff out of the country. So that's what was done -- he just very quietly kept his mouth shut."

"The press beat him to death for the last several years," he continues, "and now it turns out that, yes, there were weapons of mass destruction...." Curry also maintains that Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear program and the material could have been made into a nuclear weapon.
President Bush's actions took courage, he notes, and all Americans should be thankful to have such a brave president who puts the welfare of the American people above personal considerations.

 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Which right wing site did you pull that crap from BigP?
You guys are willing to believe anything as long as it goes along with your neoconservative agenda.
 

ZenMaster

Well-Known Member
Which right wing site did you pull that crap from BigP?
You guys are willing to believe anything as long as it goes along with your neoconservative agenda.
Same could be said for your neo-liberalism agenda.

I believe Saddam had a WMD program from all the information gathered before 2003. With this article or without doesn't change my opinion.
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
D'oh!


Lol, how long before we hear whining that Snopes is in the tank for liberals?
Yep, reality has a liberal bias. Only one way to fix that, alter your perceptions of reality! Then everything fits nicely into place.

This revelation makes the title of this thread especially ironic.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Well it was no secret prior to Desert Storm that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear enrichment program operating. Frankly I am relieved that we recovered it...... hard to argue that it isn't safer in our hands than "over there".

Kudos to a President who doesn't relent to polls and image making..... let's see if Obama can run the same gauntlet without succumbing to be popular.

While I am certainly no Bushie by any stretch of the imagination, I cannot in good conscience berate a President, and then in the same breath demand respect for the next one in line.

I have two sticks of gum and a flashlight. I am prepared.



out. :blsmoke:
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
You can believe it all you want Zen, it doesn't make it so.
It has been disproved over and over ad nauseum.

But Neoconservatives like you just plug your ears and close your eyes and shout LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA, just like the little closed minded children you are. It just upsets your little myopic view of the world.

BTW, I don't have an agenda Liberal or otherwise, just stating how it is.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
you guys are nuts I posted the original AP story that states this in nuke matirial from before 1991, no rebutle needed i posted the full story


how does that change the fact that saddam had it?


how does that change the fact that it was shipped in secret under gaurd because of the sensitivity of the matirial which is what is refined to create a nucleur bomb?



like i said i know you will continue to be blind def and dumb,


if saddam was alive today and in power of iraq, and al gore was pres not bush i bet you can take that nucleur seed matirial and shove it up asses cuz thats exactly where it would have ended up :mrgreen::blsmoke:


but i digress i expected no less from yallbongsmilie


march on my friends dont use you peripheral vision, no need trust me just keep marching
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
you guys are nuts I posted the original AP story that states this in nuke matirial from before 1991, no rebutle needed i posted the full story


how does that change the fact that saddam had it?


how does that change the fact that it was shipped in secret under gaurd because of the sensitivity of the matirial which is what is refined to create a nucleur bomb?



like i said i know you will continue to be blind def and dumb,


if saddam was alive today and in power of iraq, and al gore was pres not bush i bet you can take that nucleur seed matirial shove it up asses cuz thats exactly where it would have ended up :mrgreen::blsmoke:
Uh Huh . . . and then . . .:roll:

Soviet Union had lots of refined Uranium, now Russia and lots of people have it . . . Lets invade them all especially the few "stable" one in the Middle East, or we can help promote Muslim extreamism by creating chaos. But yeah Uranium . . . give it to the muslim groups that hate America (that is Bush's Policy right?).
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
The more I think about this crap the more ridiculous it becomes. This was a PRE-EMPTIVE strike! And WTF is a "coallition of the willing?". A group of countries that want an "in" with Bush and others who profit from the armaments industry? I'm not a dumb ass dude. The Iraq war is not protecting me from terrorists. Why not spend all that money on something that actually is a threat, like AID's, Cancer, Global Warming, hell the damn Save the Puppies fund, ANYTHING is better than the load of crap that the Bush administration spews at us.
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
Uh Huh . . . and then . . .:roll:

Soviet Union had lots of refined Uranium, now Russia and lots of people have it . . . Lets invade them all especially the few "stable" one in the Middle East, or we can help promote Muslim extreamism by creating chaos. But yeah Uranium . . . give it to the muslim groups that hate America (that is Bush's Policy right?).

ok let me school the infants one more time, cut and paste from one of my million posts about this on here:



ill try to give you the short version, really ive gone through this too many times with you guys, talk about "not seeing"


this guy:





Leader of Ansar Al Islam in Northern Iraq during the reign of Saddam Hussain,

Saddam allowed this group to exist as he did not get rid of him, so i dare say he more than just condoned them seeing that he would never let any armed group stay alive in his country unless they were at the very least his allies.

this man came from the battle fields of afghanistan and recieved lifesaving treatment by the saddam regiem


Bush attacks Iraq.


Saddam goes into Hiding


All of a sudden Ansar Al islam's sneaky little Fasad is over. The group changes its name to Al queda in Iraq and thier leader Abu Musab Al Zarqawi now officially pleadges his reverence and aleagence to Al queda and Osama Bin Ladin

he becomes the most barberic terroist of our time:







this man general of operations in Iraq says Iraq is the main front in the war on terrorism




this man leader of operations for Al queda, the man who came up with the bright idea to fly planes into the world trade center pentigon and white house says Iraq is the main front in the war on terrorism




since he is your friend why dont you at least believe him, since you obviously could never believe the side of your own people.


- your own hate blinds you to your true enemies

Quatrain 911




now tell me again why its ok for this country to have raw yellow cake that is meant to be refined into a grade A nucleur Bomb??????????

pls pull your head outa your ass:mrgreen:
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
ill try to give you the short version, really ive gone through this too many times with you guys, talk about "not seeing"


this guy:





Leader of Ansar Al Islam in Northern Iraq during the reign of Saddam Hussain,

Saddam allowed this group to exist as he did not get rid of him, so i dare say he more than just condoned them seeing that he would never let any armed group stay alive in his country unless they were at the very least his allies.
That's ridiculous. We have plenty of "armed groups" in the USA that aren't necessarily allies of the US government. Take the NRA, for instance. Timothy McVeigh operated within the US, and he wasn't a government ally. The 9/11 hijackers operated within the US, and they sure as hell weren't our allies. Countries are big, and their leaders can't, and shouldn't, be able to monitor every single person in their jurisdiction.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Because they never had it.... It has been disproved time and time again.

But I do see that you were watching NATGEO last night as well....
:rolleyes:
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
Ok let me list the current countries with nuclear weapons just to slam home the point here, I don't need a picture book but thanks.
I am going to list them in order of number of Active warheads.

1. Russia- 5,200 active nuclear warheads
2. USA - 4,075
3.France- 350
4. UK- 200
5. China (lots undeclared) 150-400

Now these five countries are in the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty so they cooperate to some extent in reducing their arsenals. Here are the others:

6. India 100-140
7. Isreal - 100-200
8. Pakistan 60
9. North Korea 10

Ok now look at how seriously the United States takes these countries with nuclear weapons. Korea is a good example of why American money flows into states with a nuclear arsenal. It's a source of cheap energy and the North Koreans want in, it allows them to be less dependent on foreign oil and give them a bargaining chip for foreign trade. US treaties that "shut down" North Korean reactors capable of providing refined Uranium pay to subsidize the additional fuel cost that North Korea endures as a result of shutting down these reactors.

So why would Saddam Hussein want a nuclear program? Well he refused World Bank loans and wanted a portion of the oil trade profits to go directly into Iraqi banks. He also wanted to be seen as a force in the Middle East, especially to his nearest enemy Iran (where we placed the Shaw destabilizing and emerging democracy). With a nuclear program Saddam kills to birds with one stone, he gets cheap energy to build infrastructure and is seen as a player in the world economy, but is not hopelessly indebted to the United States via World Bank loans.

Terrorist networks are loosely state sponsored and are the Middle East's Special Ops, CIA, ect. We are taking oil from this region with impunity and the people suffer for our benefit. Muslim extremism is simply a tool to create pawns for the powerful, hell we used the Mujahadeen in Afganistan against the Soviets, providing weapons and encouraging them to "fight the infidel communists".

These people are un-educated and indoctorined into muslim extremism from a young age. The only thing they know is parts of the Koran that are taught to them, how to fight, and that Jihad against the great powerful infidel crusaders (USA) is the highest achievement in God's eyes.

Ok you teach that to ten five year olds and lets see how well an M1A1 Abrams tank stacks up against it.

Does not make mush sense now does it? You see the lines have been blurred, we are not the "world police" with altruistic motives defending freedom. We are not "defending" our state either. We are plundering a country, building an empire.

So it is simply not logical to fight "terrorism" via conventional methods it simply insights further rebellion. Provide programs in support of education and advancement in these countries for all our benefit.

Use intelligence operations and special forces to take out major targets such as Osama Bin Laden, Zarqari, ect. Their groups are small, unorganized, and loosely connected for obvious reasons.
The War On Terror can perpetuate at the cost of American lives and civil liberties or we can wise up.
Can't fight a war of ideals. People don't just start blowing themselves up for no reason, you have to provoke someone to start doing that. :peace:
 

droogz

Active Member
FACT: Yes Iraq had bio wepons. The US gave/sold them to him.
FACT: Most major ""enemies"" where once our friends and we game them money guns and training. Includes AlQuada when we trained them to fight the russians.
FACT: Smoke and joint and get High!!!

US and British Support for Hussein Regime - UN Security Council - Global Policy Forum

US and British Support for Hussein Regime



Picture: Donald Rumsfeld, then special US envoy, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983.
US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks.
 

AlphaNoN

Well-Known Member
you guys are nuts I posted the original AP story that states this in nuke matirial from before 1991, no rebutle needed i posted the full story


how does that change the fact that saddam had it?


how does that change the fact that it was shipped in secret under gaurd because of the sensitivity of the matirial which is what is refined to create a nucleur bomb?



like i said i know you will continue to be blind def and dumb,


if saddam was alive today and in power of iraq, and al gore was pres not bush i bet you can take that nucleur seed matirial and shove it up asses cuz thats exactly where it would have ended up :mrgreen::blsmoke:


but i digress i expected no less from yallbongsmilie


march on my friends dont use you peripheral vision, no need trust me just keep marching
Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam's nuclear efforts.
Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.
Dude.. that is in the article you posted. Iraq had that uranium since before 1991 and had not refined any of it for weapons use, and did not have the means to refine it for weapons use.
 
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