Police Interactions.

[injinji]

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-rochester-police-5b0736ca8cbfcd7f676b2a480277cf0c
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[Rob Roy]

Honestly, you should be mad at your girl for scheming not the cops for doing their job.

He should be angry at both with good reason. Go stand in the corner and don't take the dunce cap off for at least an hour!

Sounds like you're saying if a person's job is to hurt other people who aren't hurting others, they bear no personal responsibility for their actions.
Sort of like a slave catcher, when they "just did their jobs" and beat up runaway slaves before returning them to their masters for a reward.

 

[TrippleDip]

Sounds like you're saying if a person's job is to hurt other people who aren't hurting others, they bear no personal responsibility for their actions.

Implying that drug dealers and gangs don't hurt others. Laws were created for reasons, sure sometimes innocent people or people who the law wasn't intended for get caught up, but it's not the cops job to write the laws.

One of the principal functions of a jury and "the right to be tried by a jury of your peers", is to judge whether the charge is appropriate and acquit if the charge is injust. Obviously the jury of his peers thought the charge was appropriate and just.

 

[Rob Roy]

Implying that drug dealers and gangs don't hurt others. Laws were created for reasons, sure sometimes innocent people or people who the law wasn't intended for get caught up, but it's not the cops job to write the laws.

One of the principal functions of a jury and "the right to be tried by a jury of your peers", is to judge whether the charge is appropriate and acquit if the charge is injust. Obviously the jury of his peers thought the charge was appropriate and just.

Juror / stooges dutifully convicting a person for a victimless crime does not mean justice is what happened. Implying that a consensus to harm a person under color of law is justice is automatically justice is a cop out. Many jurors are like you, brain washed.

Now tell me all about your uncle, friend or brother in law who is a cop and what a wonderful guy he is living off stolen money and how he isn't personally responsible for harming others when he puts on a magic blame absolving cop costume.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

yeah, so? life is messy and people make mistakes.


the man failed to have any rights the second he was 'detained' as per the cop telling him that

You claim racial bias yet admit he's out of place in a white neighbourhood. That's not bias, it's good policing, looking out for what might be out of place then checking up on it.

You claim that the mans word should be enough, what if he was jigging a car window and said 'oh it's my car', would that be enough? Criminals always have alibis, picking up trash is a pretty sweet one. People that push for concessions to criminals are usually criminals themselves. Just saying.

Being detained doesn't strip you of your rights. Even when arrested you still have rights... including to remain silent. I'm not against policing, my grandfather was a cop, but they do abuse their power.

 

[Justlove growing]

FTP

 

[shroomhaze]

I want to say as a Turk I have had a hard time with the police all my life. Where I'm from, UK, Canada, US. Especially UK and US. When they see a guy full of facial hair, thicker eyebrows than usual they get suspicious almost every time. I don't like the police, I hate authority but thats just me. I know many police officers who are criminals themselves. I know police that smoke weed but they still put people in jail for the same exact thing. Many times has police detained me and asked way too much shit about me while holding their guns, if anyone thinks a dumb ass hippie that smokes weed all time and has never committed an offense in his life should be treated that way by these fucking power-hungry egomaniac lunatics. Then you are a big part of the problem of why the world is in such a fucked and divided state

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm not against policing, my grandfather was a cop, but they do abuse their power.

Police enforce victimless crime laws and are paid with money that is TAKEN, rather than given thru a mutual and voluntary exchange for services. (which is what civilized people do when they purchase a service)

It is impossible for a person doing a job under those circumstances to be a net good, since the act of enforcing laws to take your money against your will in order to be paid renders their subsequent actions connected to theft.

You can't force a person to pay you and then claim you are protecting them without engaging in blatant hypocrisy.

Your grandfather should apologize to his victims and you should stop believing in two opposing things at once.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Police enforce victimless crime laws and are paid with money that is TAKEN, rather than given thru a mutual and voluntary exchange for services. (which is what civilized people do when they purchase a service)

It is impossible for a person doing a job under those circumstances to be a net good, since the act of enforcing laws to take your money against your will in order to be paid renders their subsequent actions connected to theft.

You can't force a person to pay you and then claim you are protecting them without engaging in blatant hypocrisy.

Your grandfather should apologize to his victims and you should stop believing in two opposing things at once.

Policing was a lil different in his time, and I look at it this way, like them or not, this country would fall to shit real fast without them. At the end of the day, they're still American citizens, so they are on the same side. Without having opposing beliefs, I would never question myself, so I don't agree.

 

[Rob Roy]

Policing was a lil different in his time, and I look at it this way, like them or not, this country would fall to shit real fast without them. At the end of the day, they're still American citizens, so they are on the same side. Without having opposing beliefs, I would never question myself, so I don't agree.

It sounds like your positive feelings for your grandfather might have caused a temporary short in your logic.

The era of time has nothing to do with whether or not a blatant inconsistency has occurred. It is possible to have policing / security without the act of theft being embedded in the payment of said security. It just hasn't happened on a large scale yet for a variety of reasons...so far. That's the part most people haven't considered or been exposed to.

At the end of the day, there is night. You can't first take extorted money and then claim you are a protector of the people that you help to extort from. You avoid that part so your memory of your grandfather as a noble protector won't get stained. He harmed people and hid behind, "just doing my job". A fervent belief in something which is false will not make the belief true. Your grandfather was at best, confused.

 

[shroomhaze]

Policing was a lil different in his time, and I look at it this way, like them or not, this country would fall to shit real fast without them. At the end of the day, they're still American citizens, so they are on the same side. Without having opposing beliefs, I would never question myself, so I don't agree.

policing is not different. They dont build cages just to put one type of people in there. After they are done coming for people like me everyone who is okay with the police right now will start being in my position. Those cages are for control after they are done with the group they are targeting now they will come for others. Policing is not the solution for protection against people who want to bring harm, there are much better options. If we as humans ever stop fighting about retarded shit and form a unity enough to understand we are all on the same boat then maybe we can have those conversations. But by where we are heading goverments and elites are gonna always rule us all and keep being our masters. Thats how I see it tho a little extreme dont mean to bash on your head dont get to express my self a lot on this topic just blowing some steam

 

[Fogdog]

policing is not different. They dont build cages just to put one type of people in there. After they are done coming for people like me everyone who is okay with the police right now will start being in my position. Those cages are for control after they are done with the group they are targeting now they will come for others. Policing is not the solution for protection against people who want to bring harm, there are much better options. If we as humans ever stop fighting about retarded shit and form a unity enough to understand we are all on the same boat then maybe we can have those conversations. But by where we are heading goverments and elites are gonna always rule us all and keep being our masters. Thats how I see it tho a little extreme dont mean to bash on your head dont get to express my self a lot on this topic just blowing some steam

nope

It is true that the "defund the police" slogan failed. That slogan was pounced on and its meaning was twisted by right wing propaganda. It is also true that people continue to work toward meaningful change in policing to address policing issues with racial bias and police brutality.

Like them or hate them, antifa in Portland originated after the WTO police crackdown on protests. It became clear then that Portland has a problem with fascist control of our police bureau. Antifa are committed to eliminating fascism in Portland's government and they are showing no signs of stepping down. Over the past six years, BLM movement brought extra urgency to enact change. It's not easy but the struggle continues. The pressure to make meaningful change is still there.

Your post appears to me to be statist. "Because we haven't seen much in the way of meaningful change, we will never see meaningful change" Pardon the paraphrasing of your post if I misunderstood. We are going to crack this nut. It's taking time. We've been a racist, authoritarian society for 250 years. Pressure to change started 50 years ago. I don't think it's going to take 50 more. Give it ten more years and I think you'll see improvement.

 

[Fogdog]

Policing was a lil different in his time, and I look at it this way, like them or not, this country would fall to shit real fast without them. At the end of the day, they're still American citizens, so they are on the same side. Without having opposing beliefs, I would never question myself, so I don't agree.

I have no problem with police. I have problem with brutal ones.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

It sounds like your positive feelings for your grandfather might have caused a temporary short in your logic.

The era of time has nothing to do with whether or not a blatant inconsistency has occurred. It is possible to have policing / security without the act of theft being embedded in the payment of said security. It just hasn't happened on a large scale yet for a variety of reasons...so far. That's the part most people haven't considered or been exposed to.

At the end of the day, there is night. You can't first take extorted money and then claim you are a protector of the people that you help to extort from. You avoid that part so your memory of your grandfather as a noble protector won't get stained. He harmed people and hid behind, "just doing my job". A fervent belief in something which is false will not make the belief true. Your grandfather was at best, confused.

I don't worry about how they are funded. It's not like I can personally do anything about it. Why upset myself over something I have no control over.

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't worry about how they are funded. It's not like I can personally do anything about it. Why upset myself over something I have no control over.

The more people that come to grasp a good idea, the more likely we will change for the better in the future.
Maybe you have more power to do good than you know.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

I have no problem with police. I have problem with brutal ones.

Heard that.

 

[hanimmal]

https://apnews.com/article/arrests-us-news-louisiana-york-4a755f3307479b5dd8adbbcbc65cdebf

A Louisiana State Police trooper has been suspended without pay for kicking and dragging a handcuffed Black man whose in-custody death remains unexplained and the subject of a federal civil rights investigation.

Body camera footage shows Master Trooper Kory York dragging Ronald Greene “on his stomach by the leg shackles” following a violent arrest and high-speed pursuit, according to internal State Police records obtained by The Associated Press.

The records are the first public acknowledgement by State Police that Greene was mistreated, and they confirm details provided last year by an attorney for Greene’s family who viewed graphic body camera footage of the May 2019 arrest and likened it the police killing of George Floyd. The video shows troopers choking and beating the man, repeatedly jolting him with stun guns and dragging him face-down across the pavement, the attorney told AP.

State Police have repeatedly refused to publicly release the body camera footage. The agency has been tight lipped about Greene’s death and initially blamed the man’s fatal injuries on a car crash outside Monroe, La.

York, who turned his own body camera off on his way to the scene, is seen on other body-cam footage yanking Greene’s shackles and repeatedly using profanity toward Greene before he died in custody.

“You’re gonna lay on your f(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk)(asterisk) belly like I told you!” the trooper says at one point, according to the police records.

York was suspended without pay for 50 hours following an internal investigation that also led to the termination of another trooper, Chris Hollingsworth, who died in a single-car crash after learning he had been fired over his role in the incident. The AP last year published a 27-second audio clip from Hollingsworth’s body camera in which he can be heard telling a colleague, “I beat the ever-living f--- out of” Greene before he “all of a sudden he just went limp.”

“It is now undisputed that Trooper York participated in the brutal assault that took Ronald Greene’s life,” said Mark Maguire, a Philadelphia civil rights attorney who represents Greene’s family. “This suspension is a start but it does not come close to the full transparency and accountability the family continues to seek.”

Col. Lamar Davis, who took over as State Police superintendent last year, wrote York that his suspension had been decided by his predecessor, Kevin Reeves, adding he “would have imposed more severe discipline” had it been up to him. Reeves made the decision during his last week in office, before stepping down amid a series of scandals, but York was not notified of the reasons for his suspension until Dec. 29.

York’s attorney did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

York told investigators he turned his own body-worn camera off because it was beeping loudly and that his “mind was on other things” after arriving at the scene.

“I didn’t think about it,” he said.

The trooper who initially chased Greene, Dakota DeMoss, was recently arrested in connection with a separate police pursuit last year in which he and two other troopers allegedly used excessive force while handcuffing a motorist. Those charges followed a monthslong internal investigation into use-of-force incidents involving troopers in the northern part of the state.

It’s not clear whether DeMoss has been disciplined in Greene’s arrest.

 

[Wattzzup]

I have no problem with police. I have problem with brutal ones.

The problem is it’s becoming harder to tell them apart.

 

[schuylaar]

Implying that drug dealers and gangs don't hurt others. Laws were created for reasons, sure sometimes innocent people or people who the law wasn't intended for get caught up, but it's not the cops job to write the laws.

One of the principal functions of a jury and "the right to be tried by a jury of your peers", is to judge whether the charge is appropriate and acquit if the charge is injust. Obviously the jury of his peers thought the charge was appropriate and just.

'if men were angels we wouldn't need government' - James Madison

that includes cops..but then how come they enforce laws not on the books?..laws that they just made up.

no it's just their job to execute the law as they see fit..but how is that? as they see fit?

how come the body cam is getting turned off all the time now? that should be grounds for instant dismissal.

body cam off = intent for whatever happens afterwards.

 

[Rob Roy]

The problem is it’s becoming harder to tell them apart.

Some individuals that are cops may have good intentions, but ALL cops are paid with money which is taken from others on an involuntary basis.

To say there are "good cops" and then to ignore HOW they are funded, while at the same time claiming "cops protect us from people who steal from us", is a contradiction that shouldn't be ignored.