Pandemic 2020

[DIY-HP-LED]

'I'm scared': top US official shares sense of 'doom' as Covid cases rise | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Dr Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, notes new US cases are now at about 70,000 a day

amp.theguardian.com

It ain't just in America that people are getting antsy, Canada and Europe have had reopening protests, though not to the extent in the USA, ditto for mask wearing, I see a lot of compliance around here. People have become numb to the danger and feel they are used to the situation, the trouble is with new variants the situation is changing.

Unless we get a serious move on and some supply it might be quite awhile until everybody here is covered, but I figure most of the vulnerable should be covered by summer. The main thing is death, hospitalizations and maiming are avoided by inoculating the elderly, middle aged and vulnerable first, when the hospitals fill, the society shuts down, appears to be how it works.

 

[Fogdog]

It ain't just in America that people are getting antsy, Canada and Europe have had reopening protests, though not to the extent in the USA, ditto for mask wearing, I see a lot of compliance around here. People have become numb to the danger and feel they are used to the situation, the trouble is with new variants the situation is changing.

Unless we get a serious move on and some supply it might be quite awhile until everybody here is covered, but I figure most of the vulnerable should be covered by summer. The main thing is death, hospitalizations and maiming are avoided by inoculating the elderly, middle aged and vulnerable first, when the hospitals fill, the society shuts down, appears to be how it works.

The ability to wait and delay gratification for greater gain is a mark of above average intelligence and a strong indicator of future success. The law of averages says that a whole lot of people aren't above average. So, we have to deal with at least half the population that can't wait even if they know the smarter action is to just wait it out.

I mean, damn man, it could be all over in few weeks if people could follow good advice. But no, people are going out and breeding the next and worse variant.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Momentum is starting to build for accountability and reckoning. I think a lot of countries including Canada are going to have to nationalize pandemic public health responses, borders are national and that is the salient fact.
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Olivia Troye Says There Should Be A Full Investigation Into Trump Admin. Covid Response

Former White House coronavirus task force member Olivia Troye, former senator Claire McCaskill, and senior Washington correspondent for the Washington Post Philip Rucker react to former Trump officials revealing that the administration’s covid response was worse than previously known.

 

[Fogdog]

Momentum is starting to build for accountability and reckoning. I think a lot of countries including Canada are going to have to nationalize pandemic public health responses, borders are national and that is the salient fact.
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Olivia Troye Says There Should Be A Full Investigation Into Trump Admin. Covid Response

Former White House coronavirus task force member Olivia Troye, former senator Claire McCaskill, and senior Washington correspondent for the Washington Post Philip Rucker react to former Trump officials revealing that the administration’s covid response was worse than previously known.

So, Birx also said (in a different interview, I didn't watch this one) that she felt at the moment she could save lives if she could stay in her post. She is one of the country's foremost expert in virus epidemiology. It's hard for me to believe that her leaving would have done anything other than end with even more dead. The professional community has all but killed Birx's future for a career. For good reason -- the public will no longer be trust her, given what has happened. Birx is paying a price for being near a hand grenade when it went off. But I don't see how that makes her culpable. The responsibility for excessive deaths last year falls on Trump and his toadies.

But I can relate. I've been in a less lethal but every bit as difficult position, where our business was falling apart and our boss refused to accept the facts. My choice was to leave or stay and deal with a boss who would fire people for standing against some actions that were exactly the opposite of what we needed to do. I was the expert on the problem. If I left, it would have made recovery even more difficult and there was a good chance that thousands would lose their jobs. So I shut up when confronted by a boss who said and did the wrong things while I helped where I could in spite of him. Eventually, he was replaced and within a matter of weeks we had solutions in place. I'm glad I stuck it out along with others on the team who had to play politics when the real problem was technical.

If she had left, Trump would have replaced her with an incompetent boob while slapping gag orders on Birx. I fail to see how that would have made the situation better.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

So, Birx also said (in a different interview, I didn't watch this one) that she felt at the moment she could save lives if she could stay in her post. She is one of the country's foremost expert in virus epidemiology. It's hard for me to believe that her leaving would have done anything other than end with even more dead. The professional community has all but killed Birx's future for a career. For good reason -- the public will no longer be trust her, given what has happened. Birx if paying a price for being near a hand grenade when it went off. But I don't see how that makes her culpable. The responsibility for excessive deaths last year falls on Trump and his toadies.

But I can relate. I've been in a less lethal but every bit as difficult position, where our business was falling apart and our boss refused to accept the facts. My choice was to leave or stay and deal with a boss who would fire people for standing against some actions that were exactly the opposite of what we needed to do. I was the expert on the problem. If I left, it would have made recovery even more difficult and there was a good chance that thousands would lose their jobs. So I shut up when confronted by a boss who said and did the wrong things while I helped where I could in spite of him. Eventually, he was replaced and within a matter of weeks we had solutions in place. I'm glad I stuck it out along with others on the team who had to play politics when the real problem was technical.

If she had left, Trump would have replaced her with an incompetent boob while slapping gag orders on Birx. I fail to see how that would have made the situation better.

I agree, the blame should be focused on Trump, his cronies and henchmen, not on hapless and powerless professionals unused to dealing with extreme mendacity and malice. The difference between Fauci and Brix was Brix worked for the WH and Fauci was in a 10 year appointment and hard for Trump to fire. The FBI and DOJ, people used to dealing with criminals faired even worse than the scientists, the republican politicians were the biggest cowards of all.

The reckoning will fall on Trump, Pence, Kushner, Redfield and Azar along with others like Atlas and that Canadian asshole Alexander. As far as I'm concerned guilt is largely determined by intention and Brix's intentions were as good as Fauci's. I can understand her being dumb struck when Trump raved about bleach, I had to lift my jaw off the floor when I saw it too!

 

[Fogdog]

I agree, the blame should be focused on Trump, his cronies and henchmen, not on hapless and powerless professionals unused to dealing with extreme mendacity and malice. The difference between Fauci and Brix was Brix worked for the WH and Fauci was in a 10 year appointment and hard for Trump to fire. The FBI and DOJ, people used to dealing with criminals faired even worse than the scientists, the republican politicians were the biggest cowards of all.

The reckoning will fall on Trump, Pence, Kushner, Redfield and Azar along with others like Atlas and that Canadian asshole Alexander. As far as I'm concerned guilt is largely determined by intention and Brix's intentions were as good as Fauci's. I can understand her being dumb struck when Trump raved about bleach, I had to lift my jaw off the floor when I saw it too!

Trump lashes out at Fauci and Birx after CNN documentary

The former president released a fact-challenged statement criticizing the former advisers after they criticized his administration’s pandemic response.

www.politico.com

As President, Trump would have buried anybody who defied him over his baseless and political claims about the virus last year. Even a year later, 500,000 dead and his removal from office won't stop him from contradicting the facts.

Trump lashes out at Fauci and Birx after CNN documentary
The former president released a fact-challenged statement criticizing the former advisers after they criticized his administration’s pandemic response.

Former President Donald Trump on Monday attacked Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx, his administration’s top coronavirus advisers, in a highly personal — and at times inaccurate — statement released after the two criticized the administration for its response to the pandemic.

“Based on their interviews, I felt it was time to speak up about Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, two self-promoters trying to reinvent history to cover for their bad instincts and faulty recommendations, which I fortunately almost always overturned,” Trump said. “They had bad policy decisions that would have left our country open to China and others, closed to reopening our economy, and years away from an approved vaccine — putting millions of lives at risk

Even now, when all the facts are still coming to light Trump lays down a barrage of character assassination, lies, vitriol and threats against his own science advisors.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Trump lashes out at Fauci and Birx after CNN documentary

The former president released a fact-challenged statement criticizing the former advisers after they criticized his administration’s pandemic response.

www.politico.com

As President, Trump would have buried anybody who defied him over his baseless and political claims about the virus last year. Even a year later, 500,000 dead and his removal from office won't stop him from contradicting the facts.

Trump lashes out at Fauci and Birx after CNN documentary
The former president released a fact-challenged statement criticizing the former advisers after they criticized his administration’s pandemic response.

Former President Donald Trump on Monday attacked Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx, his administration’s top coronavirus advisers, in a highly personal — and at times inaccurate — statement released after the two criticized the administration for its response to the pandemic.

“Based on their interviews, I felt it was time to speak up about Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, two self-promoters trying to reinvent history to cover for their bad instincts and faulty recommendations, which I fortunately almost always overturned,” Trump said. “They had bad policy decisions that would have left our country open to China and others, closed to reopening our economy, and years away from an approved vaccine — putting millions of lives at risk

Even now, when all the facts are still coming to light Trump lays down a barrage of character assassination, lies, vitriol and threats against his own science advisors.

Fauci has secret service body guards for a reason, they were subject to Trump's stochastic terrorist threats, as well as employer pressure. Cross Trump and it wasn't just your job on the line, but you life and that of your family too, this too must be taken into account. Trump was a life long criminal who ran a criminal organization and a criminal presidency, he was at the center on many criminal conspiracies with all of his cronies, to work for him was to conspire with him.

 

[captainmorgan]

Mutations could render current Covid vaccines ineffective in a year or less, epidemiologists warn

Mutations of the coronavirus could render current vaccines ineffective within a year, according to a survey of experts.

www.cnbc.com

 

[CunningCanuk]

Mutations could render current Covid vaccines ineffective in a year or less, epidemiologists warn

Mutations of the coronavirus could render current vaccines ineffective within a year, according to a survey of experts.

www.cnbc.com

This is what keeps me up at night. By the time we can get a vaccine, it may be useless.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Hopefully when Uncle Sam gets most of his people vaccinated we will get more in Canada, one good thing though as far as supply goes, over half of republican men say they won't get vaccinated, so more vaccine for those who want it! It's dangerous to society, but more dangerous to them.

So far in real world studies of vaccinated populations, it appears the vaccines are effective against most variants, a variant's ability to spread faster than others, determines who wins Darwin's race and predominates. We already have vaccines tweaked to deal with variants and are pulling ahead in this arms race scientifically, but still lagging where the rubber meets the road. I understand there is not as much of a regulatory delay in "tweaking" a vaccine to deal with variants, than to start from scratch.
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'We Can Get There!': Stunning Pace Of U.S. Vaccinations Puts Pandemic's End In Sight

Rachel Maddow reports on the astounding pace of vaccinations in the United States, and notes new research that shows that vaccines not only significantly protect against Covid symptoms but for the most part, actually block infection, which means they also prevent the spread of the virus.

 

[captainmorgan]

Vertical climb on infections, looks like it's going to be a bigger wave than the last one.

 

[captainmorgan]

tRUmptards are driving the high infection rates in Michigan. The hot spots are where they worship Stinky, low in vaccinations and high in refusing to wear masks. They scream "freedumb" while infecting their family and freinds and sending them to hospitals and the cemeteries. Stinky wanted covid to spread because minority death rates are much higher so he told his cult that it's a hoax to help in the spread. I think Darwin will play a role in solving the problem of Stinkys support, vaccinate believers in truth and science and natural selection will take care of the rest. The koolaid for Stinkys cult will be not getting vaccinated.

 

[CunningCanuk]

But we all suffer from their stupidity. The longer this disease transmits and mutates, the more chance of vaccines becoming useless.

 

[smokinrav]

My mom and stepfather and grandfather(he got infected) who told me early on CV will go away with warm weather, it's a media hoax to bring down trump, CV is not as bad as the flu, infection rates were up because testing was up, and who stopped watching Fox because it was too liberal.....

Have all received both shots. Sigh.

 

[captainmorgan]

Can you imagine trying to force tRUmptards to vaccinate, vaccinate the willing and nature will take care of the rest.

 

[schuylaar]

'I'm scared': top US official shares sense of 'doom' as Covid cases rise | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Dr Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, notes new US cases are now at about 70,000 a day

amp.theguardian.com

i didn't like this and the people she needs to convince won't listen..it's got to go like this:

Because they signed a law against black people voting, God got pissed and sent you that storm..PS more on the way..oh wait! what just recently happened in Texas?..why are all the Southern states getting smited by God..double infected with virus?

God is furious and coming down on you!!!

don't believe me?

get your fvcking vaccine, put a mask on and you see things will change!!!

i guarantee it.

does anyone happen to know what time of the year it is? coincidence..?

 

[schuylaar]

Can you imagine trying to force tRUmptards to vaccinate, vaccinate the willing and nature will take care of the rest.

just like 1918, but they didn't have a vaccine it was a struggle to get people to cover their mouth/nose. it was specifically known to be transmitted this way.

sadly, there are many selfish people in this world.

 

[CCGNZ]

My mom and stepfather and grandfather(he got infected) who told me early on CV will go away with warm weather, it's a media hoax to bring down trump, CV is not as bad as the flu, infection rates were up because testing was up, and who stopped watching Fox because it was too liberal.....

Have all received both shots. Sigh.

Glad for you GF made it,not all do.ccguns

 

[CCGNZ]

i didn't like this and the people she needs to convince won't listen..it's got to go like this:

Because they signed a law against black people voting God got pissed and sent you that storm..PS more on the way..oh wait! what just recently happened in Texas?..why are all the Southern states getting smited by God?

God is furious and coming down on you!!!

don't believe me?

get your fvcking vaccine and put a mask on, already!!!

does anyone happen to know what time of the year it is? coincidence..?

How much more FN ignorance and insanity do we have to witness in this Pandemic,we get lucky enough to get effective vaccines in record time and still manage to FK up as a country, I mean can we get on the same page over anything or is it too much to ask? How many diff. issues are there that make me rub my eyes thinking my focus is FKD, No masks, Covid hoax,QNon BS,and voter fraud WTF is up here? It's relatively easy to see CHEETOMAN was soinept and polarizing that record numbers of previously unmotivated voters would turn out to send him packing,Is THAT so hard to figure out?ccguns

 

[CCGNZ]

Can you imagine trying to force tRUmptards to vaccinate, vaccinate the willing and nature will take care of the rest.

Sure,but what about the doctors and nurses and related personnel that have to deal w/wave after wave.ccguns