First grow, pretty tight space, how much veg/training left?

Entusia

Entusia

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Hollatchaboy said:
Not more necessarily, just the right amount to water.
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I'm currently watering 1.5/2L every 2/3 days depending on available time and other commitments.

1.5L would be around 10%+ of the total container volume (which is 11L), but it's not all soil, there's:
- a 2-3cm "top cover" of volcanic lapilli
- a 3-4cm "bottom bed" of volcanic lapilli
- in the middle it's soil + 20-30% volcanic lapilli

Lapilli are like 1-2-3cm slightly basic volcanic rocks.
Ph of the water starts at 7.5 - 8.0, i let it sit for 24-48h+ and get it down to 6.0 - 6.2.
It runs off at 6.6 - 6.8 so i think i got that sort of dialed in.

Soil is just a generic organic one they sell here that works great as is for other plants i have outside (sage, peppers, ornamentals, etc), but didn't work great for cannabis in the past (drainage and water retention problems) until now that's been amended... looks like it works now, at least to noob me.

Fertilizers i used/use are Biobizz, very easy to find here in EU:
- Rootjuice (only once first week)
- Biogrow (1-2ml/L once a week)

Will start Biobloom and Topmax soon. Also got Bioheaven and Calmag on their way for future runs.
Just read something about living soil now that you mentioned it, but as i reckon what i'm doing here doesn't qualify as living soil, correct?
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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Entusia said:
I'm currently watering 1.5/2L every 2/3 days depending on available time and other commitments.

1.5L would be around 10%+ of the total container volume (which is 11L), but it's not all soil, there's:
- a 2-3cm "top cover" of volcanic lapilli
- a 3-4cm "bottom bed" of volcanic lapilli
- in the middle it's soil + 20-30% volcanic lapilli

Lapilli are like 1-2-3cm slightly basic volcanic rocks.
Ph of the water starts at 7.5 - 8.0, i let it sit for 24-48h+ and get it down to 6.0 - 6.2.
It runs off at 6.6 - 6.8 so i think i got that sort of dialed in.

Soil is just a generic organic one they sell here that works great as is for other plants i have outside (sage, peppers, ornamentals, etc), but didn't work great for cannabis in the past (drainage and water retention problems) until now that's been amended... looks like it works now, at least to noob me.

Fertilizers i used/use are Biobizz, very easy to find here in EU:
- Rootjuice (only once first week)
- Biogrow (1-2ml/L once a week)

Will start Biobloom and Topmax soon. Also got Bioheaven and Calmag on their way for future runs.
Just read something about living soil now that you mentioned it, but as i reckon what i'm doing here doesn't qualify as living soil, correct?
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Sounds like your using bottled nutes. Water to 20% runoff.
 
MustGro

MustGro

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Entusia said:
Ok, can i ask why? :bigjoint:
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Not to take over @Hollatchaboy 's advice to you but since I'm right here and he hasn't jumped in yet....
Roots are two ways; they give off wastes as well as take up nutrients. Organic grows have beneficial fungi/bacteria in the soil that use up the wastes so they need less flushing. You're adding chemical nutes so you don't have soil microorganisms to eat your plant's wastes. Put fluids on until the soil mass is saturated and then run up to 20% of the pot's volume in fluids through her to wash out the wastes in the rootzone.
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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MustGro said:
Not to take over @Hollatchaboy 's advice to you but since I'm right here and he hasn't jumped in yet....
Roots are two ways; they give off wastes as well as take up nutrients. Organic grows have beneficial fungi/bacteria in the soil that use up the wastes so they need less flushing. You're adding chemical nutes so you don't have soil microorganisms to eat your plant's wastes. Put fluids on until the soil mass is saturated and then run up to 20% of the pot's volume in fluids through her to wash out the wastes in the rootzone.
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Yes.... that's why! Lol
 
Entusia

Entusia

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And another thing: of course it should go without saying that if i water to 20% runoff, then i obviously can't let the girl sit in the runoff collection tray, even if i have 3-4cm of inert bottom bedding, correct?

That's a problem really, albeit mild... gotta raise the whole pot, plant and net to let the runoff through and out every couple of days (and every day later in flower)... since the thing weights like 10kg+ i'm thinking of a smart solution to avoid breaking my back... i could try and build something like this:

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Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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Entusia said:
And another thing: of course it should go without saying that if i water to 20% runoff, then i obviously can't let the girl sit in the runoff collection tray, even if i have 3-4cm of inert bottom bedding, correct?

That's a problem really, albeit mild... gotta raise the whole pot, plant and net to let the runoff through and out every couple of days (and every day later in flower)... since the thing weights like 10kg+ i'm thinking of a smart solution to avoid breaking my back... i could try and build something like this:

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Our you could just get one of these. Your choice though.
 

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Entusia

Entusia

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Hollatchaboy said:
Our you could just get one of these. Your choice though.
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That is exactly what i need, since i really don't want to waste any cm of vertical space. Great recommend homie @Hollatchaboy !

Unfortunately the fabric pot has a square base, and i can't seem to find any square ones around here. Having some tools to cut round holes of any size, also a drill, i think i will definitely just build this myself with the regular square trays i already have.

One question: what are the things attached to the tray that let water through and out? How are they called? I'm just a nerd, as i said really not the crafty type :D
 
MustGro

MustGro

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Yeah @Entusia they can't sit in the wash. You could keep your current tray and use a turkey baster to get fluid out. A shop-vac is a popular choice. The drain type tray is also nice. If your setup is up off the ground you could syphon the liquid out to a bucket. Use your imagination; it's part of the pot growing experience.
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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Entusia said:
That is exactly what i need, since i really don't want to waste any cm of vertical space. Great recommend homie @Hollatchaboy !

Unfortunately the fabric pot has a square base, and i can't seem to find any square ones around here. Having some tools to cut round holes of any size, also a drill, i think i will definitely just build this myself with the regular square trays i already have.

One question: what are the things attached to the tray that let water through and out? How are they called? I'm just a nerd, as i said really not the crafty type :D
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Just a small bulkhead, or drain fitting.
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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MustGro said:
Yeah @Entusia they can't sit in the wash. You could keep your current tray and use a turkey baster to get fluid out. A shop-vac is a popular choice. The drain type tray is also nice. If your setup is up off the ground you could syphon the liquid out to a bucket. Use your imagination; it's part of the pot growing experience.
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Absolutely! Figuring it all out is one of the best parts!
 
Entusia

Entusia

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MustGro said:
Yeah @Entusia they can't sit in the wash. You could keep your current tray and use a turkey baster to get fluid out. A shop-vac is a popular choice. The drain type tray is also nice. If your setup is up off the ground you could syphon the liquid out to a bucket. Use your imagination; it's part of the pot growing experience.
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It IS off the ground, and that's some lateral thinking shit, i like it.

I'm torn between:
1. machining off both the cabinet's wood under panel and the tray into some sort of conduit, then overlayed with aluminum tape
2. making a hole through the tray AND the cabinet, and then seal a hose segment by that hole so that water doesn't infiltrate the wood/carton honeycomb inside

Catch ya later
 
Hollatchaboy

Hollatchaboy

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Entusia said:
It IS off the ground, and that's some lateral thinking shit, i like it.

I'm torn between:
1. machining off both the cabinet's wood under panel and the tray into some sort of conduit, then overlayed with aluminum tape
2. making a hole through the tray AND the cabinet, and then seal a hose segment by that hole so that water doesn't infiltrate the wood/carton honeycomb inside

Catch ya later
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Good luck!
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Entusia said:
That is exactly what i need, since i really don't want to waste any cm of vertical space. Great recommend homie @Hollatchaboy !

Unfortunately the fabric pot has a square base, and i can't seem to find any square ones around here. Having some tools to cut round holes of any size, also a drill, i think i will definitely just build this myself with the regular square trays i already have.

One question: what are the things attached to the tray that let water through and out? How are they called? I'm just a nerd, as i said really not the crafty type :D
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Get some pvc, cut it into short rounds and sit your pots on that in your saucer, cheap and quick solution.
 
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