Rate my first grow! 3.5 weeks in

[VincenzioVonHook]

Wow, that is a lot of growth in such a short time! I’m so ready. Up to now it’s been like watching paint dry. I had some small clip-on fans coming but I guess they were lost in transit, not sure what else I can fit in here but I was worried about airflow, thanks for the tip.

Once you hit stretch, you will be grinning...a good way to figure out whether your plants are "small" or not is to go by internode count instead of height. You look fine on that note. If they were the same size with 6 nodes and minimal satellite growth I'd be worried.

Will be interesting to see them after/during stretch. Looking good for first grow.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Once you hit stretch, you will be grinning...a good way to figure out whether your plants are "small" or not is to go by internode count instead of height. You look fine on that note. If they were the same size with 6 nodes and minimal satellite growth I'd be worried.

Will be interesting to see them after/during stretch. Looking good for first grow.

What is a small plant internode count?

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

What is a small plant internode count?

i wouldn't say there is an exact number.

for example i had 11 nodes by week 3. Only 10" tall.. Of you were at week 3 or 4, hitting 10-12" in height but only had three or four nodes, id be worried. I have someone else growing an AK as well, and their plant is the same height, if not a few inches taller than mine, but has under half the nodes due to a lack of light.

Stretched internode space/ lack of node growth is usually the indicator of slow growth. Most of the plants i have grown stack nodes over the first four weeks, and then stretch them out over flower.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

i wouldn't say there is an exact number.

for example i had 11 nodes by week 3. Only 10" tall.. Of you were at week 3 or 4, hitting 10-12" in height but only had three or four nodes, id be worried. I have someone else growing an AK as well, and their plant is the same height, if not a few inches taller than mine, but has under half the nodes due to a lack of light.

Stretched internode space/ lack of node growth is usually the indicator of slow growth. Most of the plants i have grown stack nodes over the first four weeks, and then stretch them out over flower.

Do you have a picture of your 11 node ten inch tall plant?

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

Do you have a picture of your 11 node ten inch tall plant?

Here it is at 13" now.


Five nodes over the first three or so inches.

It's at like 14 nodes now at 13". .there's literally 10 nodes in the first 8" of this photo.
It just looks bigger than it is due to the 18cm pot.

Don't make me turn the lights on and measure the cunt lol.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Here it is at 13" now.View attachment 5075854

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Five nodes over the first three or so inches.

It's at like 14 nodes now at 13"
It just looks bigger than it is due to the 18cm pot.

Don't make me turn the lights on and measure the cunt lol.

I think you may be confused over the definition of a node. I see three nodes in the first few inches and then they start to space out. But the first three are tight.

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

I think you may be confused over the definition of a node. I see three nodes in the first few inches and then they start to space out. But the first three are tight.

That pic is just over half the plant.
I classify a node as anywhere there is a set of fan leaves where a set of satellite branches leave the main stem...there's 14 nodes if you count from bottom to top and don't include the crown. The bottom few are stacked, and the rest are about an inch apart from each other. Just makes it harder to gauge nodes as I've removed 6 fan leaves.

Still, 14 nodes on a 13" plant ain't too bad, but then again the top few are alternating so I don't know whether to count them as one or two nodes lol.

Just watch, I'll have to eat my words about node count usually signifying a decent sized plant and this plant will end up tiny.

 

[Offmymeds]

I second Vincenzio. Those are very close nodes and you'll definitely need to keep the air flowing. You'll learn that trimming the lower stuff sitting in the shadows will improve the air flow, reduce risks and help plant growth. Google lollipopping vids or check the tutorials on GrowWeedEasy.com which also has a great section on diagnosing plant problems. Learn how to handle powdery mildew.

The double stemming is called fasciation. Don't waste time with it. Cut it off to send growth elsewhere. The bud is always shit.

A perpetual grow with 2 4X4's is going to keep you a busy man. Consider those beauties will each soak up 1/4 gallon/day.

Considering you want a perpetual grow, if you have the seeds or you learn to clone you will probably lean to filling the tents with more plants rather than training a few & waiting for growth.

How are you going to cure all of that? If you fill your canopy and avoid pests, mold, root rot, etc. you will be getting at least 16 ozs. I got 25 on my last run in a 4X4.

Looking great so far.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

@VincenzioVonHook The reason I questioned your definition of a node is that you said there were 5 nodes in the first three inches.

Five nodes over the first three or so inches.

Looks like way more than 3 inches.

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

@VincenzioVonHook The reason I questioned your definition of a node is that you said there were 5 nodes in the first three inches.



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Looks like way more than 3 inches.

if it makes you sleep better, here's a tape measure beside the fifth node.

Are you pleased now? I told you it's smaller than you think lol. That poy is only 7.2" across. the plant only totals 13-14"

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

if it makes you sleep better, here's a tape measure beside the fifth node.
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Are you pleased now? I told you it's smaller than you think lol. That poy is only 7.2" across. the plant only totals 13-14"

You weren't kidding! It's tiny! Lol. At least we're on the same page regarding nodes lol. Good growing.

 

[Justin E]

I second Vincenzio. Those are very close nodes and you'll definitely need to keep the air flowing. You'll learn that trimming the lower stuff sitting in the shadows will improve the air flow, reduce risks and help plant growth. Google lollipopping vids or check the tutorials on GrowWeedEasy.com which also has a great section on diagnosing plant problems. Learn how to handle powdery mildew.

I've been wondering about that. I've been itching to get rid of some of the stuff that I know will amount to nothing so I can open it up a bit but all the resources I've been able to find say that it should be done when you switch to 12/12 or within a few weeks after that. Is it safe to do it while it's still vegetating? Is it a bad idea to do it within a couple weeks before flipping?

The double stemming is called fasciation. Don't waste time with it. Cut it off to send growth elsewhere. The bud is always shit.

Awww, that's disappointing. I was looking forward to seeing a huge bud on that one! Thanks for the tip, I'll remove it. Do you think it would make a decent clone at least?

A perpetual grow with 2 4X4's is going to keep you a busy man. Consider those beauties will each soak up 1/4 gallon/day.

Considering you want a perpetual grow, if you have the seeds or you learn to clone you will probably lean to filling the tents with more plants rather than training a few & waiting for growth.

I'm all set up to take clones before moving the plants to the flowering box, good seeds are too expensive for me! I've been wondering about going with a SoG and just having a single mother plant in the veg box, but I was going to wait until I got one or two full cycles done so that my decision will have more experience behind it. So far the water hasn't been much of an issue, but I'm only half way done with one cycle by now... As long as the water consumption stays below 15 gallons a week I won't be too inconvenienced by it (I think).

How are you going to cure all of that? If you fill your canopy and avoid pests, mold, root rot, etc. you will be getting at least 16 ozs. I got 25 on my last run in a 4X4.

I'm anticipating having 2 weeks or so post-harvest where fresh clones will be in the smaller cloning area taking root and getting ready for the veg box. During that time the veg box will be empty so I was thinking I'd hang the harvested plants up in there while the clones are still rooting. I'm hoping that's enough time for them to dry out and also hoping that I can keep the environment within the temperature and humidity ranges that people say are required.

Looking great so far.

Thanks! I'm glad to hear it

 

[Offmymeds]

I've been wondering about that. I've been itching to get rid of some of the stuff that I know will amount to nothing so I can open it up a bit but all the resources I've been able to find say that it should be done when you switch to 12/12 or within a few weeks after that. Is it safe to do it while it's still vegetating? Is it a bad idea to do it within a couple weeks before flipping?


Awww, that's disappointing. I was looking forward to seeing a huge bud on that one! Thanks for the tip, I'll remove it. Do you think it would make a decent clone at least?



I'm all set up to take clones before moving the plants to the flowering box, good seeds are too expensive for me! I've been wondering about going with a SoG and just having a single mother plant in the veg box, but I was going to wait until I got one or two full cycles done so that my decision will have more experience behind it. So far the water hasn't been much of an issue, but I'm only half way done with one cycle by now... As long as the water consumption stays below 15 gallons a week I won't be too inconvenienced by it (I think).



I'm anticipating having 2 weeks or so post-harvest where fresh clones will be in the smaller cloning area taking root and getting ready for the veg box. During that time the veg box will be empty so I was thinking I'd hang the harvested plants up in there while the clones are still rooting. I'm hoping that's enough time for them to dry out and also hoping that I can keep the environment within the temperature and humidity ranges that people say are required.



Thanks! I'm glad to hear it

It sounds like you have a good plan.

The fasciated stuff is worthless.

I did one initial good trim and trimmed throughout veg & flower just to keep the air flow going through because powdery mildew comes on fast. If you see it on the outside it is inside as well. Cloning might take a little practice. No problems at all trimming.

You will want to do more than dry them out. You will want to cure it and tend to that daily for a few weeks.. I use 1 qt jars with each holding about an oz.

 

[Justin E]

Once you hit stretch, you will be grinning...

Indeed… I’m toward the end of week 3 of flower now, roughly 5 weeks left.

I dropped the ball on the scrogging part a bit… They grew waaay faster than I expected and that in combination with my hesitation around trimming left me with far too much growth to manage. In the end I trimmed aggressively trimmed anyway to get some more light penetration. They handled it very well, too. Next time I will not make the same mistake.

I’ve got about as many tops as I was hoping for but they’re a little too close together I think.

I’m surprised I’ve had no widespread nutrient or pest issues so far for some reason.

 

[Jjgrow420]

Indeed… I’m toward the end of week 3 of flower now, roughly 5 weeks left.

I dropped the ball on the scrogging part a bit… They grew waaay faster than I expected and that in combination with my hesitation around trimming left me with far too much growth to manage. In the end I trimmed aggressively trimmed anyway to get some more light penetration. They handled it very well, too. Next time I will not make the same mistake.

I’ve got about as many tops as I was hoping for but they’re a little too close together I think.

I’m surprised I’ve had no widespread nutrient or pest issues so far for some reason.

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Super dense canopy make sure to trim out the bottom stuff or you'll get light deprived fluffed buds that waste energy from the mains. Looking good for a beginner man. Keep it up. As long as you don't make the same mistakes over and over that's just a part of learning. Best way is to mess up and try try again. Eventually you'll get a method going, you'll be more 'dialed in' and be able to make more educated decisions. Good job.

 

[Offmymeds]

Indeed… I’m toward the end of week 3 of flower now, roughly 5 weeks left.

I dropped the ball on the scrogging part a bit… They grew waaay faster than I expected and that in combination with my hesitation around trimming left me with far too much growth to manage. In the end I trimmed aggressively trimmed anyway to get some more light penetration. They handled it very well, too. Next time I will not make the same mistake.

I’ve got about as many tops as I was hoping for but they’re a little too close together I think.

I’m surprised I’ve had no widespread nutrient or pest issues so far for some reason.

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It looks like you have them dialed in. Excellent! I've only had one auto but I would anticipate 7 weeks left if you're relying on the days to flower advertised on the seed packet.

 

[Justin E]

Super dense canopy make sure to trim out the bottom stuff or you'll get light deprived fluffed buds that waste energy from the mains. Looking good for a beginner man. Keep it up. As long as you don't make the same mistakes over and over that's just a part of learning. Best way is to mess up and try try again. Eventually you'll get a method going, you'll be more 'dialed in' and be able to make more educated decisions. Good job.

I trimmed all the small lower branches that didn’t reach the canopy but I left enough lower fan leaves to catch what light does manage to make it down that far. I figure if there’s light left coming through then the plant might as well receive it. Is that naïve? Will the plant focus too much energy on fan leaves too?

It looks like you have them dialed in. Excellent! I've only had one auto but I would anticipate 7 weeks left if you're relying on the days to flower advertised on the seed packet.

These four are photoperiod plants from the same batch but I am going by the advertised flower duration. I also have a nifty USB microscope to inspect with when the time comes.

Thank y’all for the words of encouragement!

 

[Jjgrow420]

I trimmed all the small lower branches that didn’t reach the canopy but I left enough lower fan leaves to catch what light does manage to make it down that far. I figure if there’s light left coming through then the plant might as well receive it. Is that naïve? Will the plant focus too much energy on fan leaves too?


These four are photoperiod plants from the same batch but I am going by the advertised flower duration. I also have a nifty USB microscope to inspect with when the time comes.

Next time I'd remove the smaller stuff and focus on the larger branches.
Imo those smaller branches dont yield much and tend to just get in the way
They also take away from the bigger branches. I prefer to have big full developed colas. They taste better and weigh more

 

[Justin E]

Next time I'd remove the smaller stuff and focus on the larger branches.

Imo those smaller branches dont yield much and tend to just get in the way
They also take away from the bigger branches. I prefer to have big full developed colas. They taste better and weigh more

I thought so but I wasn't sure, thanks for the input. Unfortunately I have a lot like that because I was hesitant to cut them... I waited too long and then probably overestimated how productive they'd be.

How many tops per plant would you say is a good amount if the plants are vegged for two months like I'll be continuing to do? I was shooting for about 16

 

[PadawanWarrior]

The medium is water. I would just go watch some youtube videos honestly. Its extremely simple when you see it.

Edit, There is some medium involved, be it hydroton, shredded rockwool, or coco pellets, but the roots grow into the water.

My first time, I used a gallon milk jug, rubber aquarium tubing, and aquarium pump, aquarium gravel, timer, and 32 OZ fun cups. Miracle Grow was my feed, lol.