War

[Mr_X]

This war is a direct result of the US push for the Ukraine to join NATO and their refusal to appease any of Russias concerns. NATO spreading East is a threat to them. How stupid are you yanks? You are starting another World War and blaming everybody but yourselves.

Give me liberty or give me death

 

[cannabineer]

This war is a direct result of the US push for the Ukraine to join NATO and their refusal to appease any of Russias concerns. NATO spreading East is a threat to them. How stupid are you yanks? You are starting another World War and blaming everybody but yourselves.

Your previous opinions weaken this argument.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

Your previous opinions weaken this argument.

I have been doing some research

 

[BudmanTX]

and??

 

[cannabineer]

I have been doing some research

Post specific links.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

and??

Putin is not defendable and neither is the US....

 

[BudmanTX]

mmmmkkkkaayy......and how did you come to this logical conclusion if i may ask

 

[Crumpetlicker]

Chomsky: US Approach to Ukraine Has “Left the Domain of Rational Discourse” (truthout.org)

 

[Mr_X]

i think America should get involved by coming up with a treaty instead of committing full military action yet...

 

[printer]

Who gives a shit about left or right now seriously i live 150 km from Russian border and my son is getting drafted into the army this year

As they say in real estate, "Location, location, location." Of course you care more right now than left or right. But the majority of people in the US are half a world away and care more who will win the game on Sunday.

This war is a direct result of the US push for the Ukraine to join NATO and their refusal to appease any of Russias concerns. NATO spreading East is a threat to them. How stupid are you yanks? You are starting another World War and blaming everybody but yourselves.

The west was not pushing to have Ukraine in Nato, Ukraine was pushing to be in Nato.

i think America should get involved by coming up with a treaty instead of committing full military action yet...

Americans will get behind Biden? Hah.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

There already was a treaty. NATO. It was agreed that the US would not push for eastward expansion of this areement. Yet here we are. The other NATO countries don't want the Ukraine in NATO because they are respecting the treaty and know it will cause trouble. The Ukraine just want to be like Austria but the US will not allow that. This was completely avoidable.

 

[BudmanTX]

you do realize Chomsky is a Social Anarchist right????

 

[hanimmal]

There already was a treaty. NATO. It was agreed that the US would not push for eastward expansion of this areement. Yet here we are. The other NATO countries don't want the Ukraine in NATO because they are respecting the treaty and know it will cause trouble. The Ukraine just want to be like Austria but the US will not allow that. This was completely avoidable.

And where in the treaty does it say this?

Or are you just believing (or just pushing it) the Russian propaganda?

 

[BudmanTX]

There already was a treaty. NATO. It was agreed that the US would not push for eastward expansion of this areement. Yet here we are. The other NATO countries don't want the Ukraine in NATO because they are respecting the treaty and know it will cause trouble. The Ukraine just want to be like Austria but the US will not allow that. This was completely avoidable.

which other nato countries didn't want ukraine in? and to my knowledge Ukraine wasn't up to par to being in Nato yet, even they wanted to......

 

[Crumpetlicker]

you do realize Chomsky is a Social Anarchist right????

What rubbish.
He is anti-war.
So anybody that doesn't blindly follow the US line is an anarchist now.
Grow up dude.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

And where in the treaty does it say this?

Or are you just believing (or just pushing it) the Russian propaganda?

This is not Russian propoganda it's fact. Historical fact. I am not responsible for educating you comrade.

 

[Fogdog]

wow, just, wow.

The first softball question given to Chomsky in that article:

In the same context, is it hard to imagine what might have been Washington’s response to the hypothetical event that Mexico wanted to join a Moscow-driven military alliance?

eff an a

I can't make shit like this up.

 

[hanimmal]

This is not Russian propoganda it's fact. Historical fact. I am not responsible for educating you comrade.

Sure it is cupcake.

That is why you can point to it in some actual agreement right?

The fact is that Putin is trying (and failing) like hell to deflect blame onto anyone and anything he can and using trolls to brainwash people into believing the lies.

 

[BudmanTX]

What rubbish.
He is anti-war.
So anybody that doesn't blindly follow the US line is an anarchist now.
Grow up dude.

that a load cause:

Noam Chomsky describes himself as an anarcho-syndicalist and libertarian socialist

 

[Crumpetlicker]

which other nato countries didn't want ukraine in? and to my knowledge Ukraine wasn't up to par to being in Nato yet, even they wanted to......

Hungary was one. Does the Ukraine really want to be part of Nato or is that more US manipulation. Promising to put rocket launchers pointed at Russia etc