War

[Grandpapy]

The whole Ukranian argument is based around America's desire to have the Ukraine in NATO. France and Germany will not allow that to happen.
Russia has legitimate concerns about it's sovereignty in the area. The fact is that the Ukraine will never be a member of NATO even though it is permanently on the table at the behest of the US in an effort to provoke Putin. So as we can see this is an argument about nothing as it was never going to happen. It's like two bald men arguing over who owns a comb. The other point would have to be that the Ukraine is a food bowl with ample water and good soil and an even better environment for food production due to climate change, if I was Putin I would want that.
Also the ongoing axis formed between China and Russia is too much for the American palate and signals a significant shift in world affairs and who is boss of what.

You be an idiot.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has sought to justify the invasion of Ukraine with a number of reasons, but we're going to focus on one with a very deep stem. In essence, he argues that Ukraine has no right to exist, that it is historically Russian land and a fictional country created by Russian Bolsheviks. In a speech earlier this week, Putin claimed that Ukraine never had a tradition of genuine statehood. And last summer, Putin published an essay titled "On The Historical Unity Of Russians and Ukrainians," where he insisted that Ukraine and Russia's shared history makes them one nation.

If this is the case, it could be just a matter of time.

Fort Ross (Russian: Форт-Росс), originally Fortress Ross (pre-reformed Russian: Крѣпость Россъ, tr. Krepostʹ Ross), is a former Russian establishment on the west coast of North America in what is now Sonoma County, California. It was the hub of the southernmost Russian settlements in North America from 1812 to 1841. It has been the subject of archaeological investigation and is a California Historical Landmark, a National Historic Landmark, and on the National Register of Historic Places. It is part of California's Fort Ross State Historic Park.

I'm in favor of preemptive treaty discipline.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

In a different thread, C licker said Putin is easily angered and the US provoked him and that's why Putin invaded Ukraine. So, basically, it's the US's fault. We should just surrender and turn over the keys to the world. Don't provoke him.

Do you want a list of all the countries the US has interfered with politically? Or maybe it would be significantly quicker and easier to list the countries that the US has not interfered with? Just trying to think. There must be one?

 

[captainmorgan]

Anonymous has hacked the Russia and Chechnya government websites lol.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Organizations like NATO make the likelihood of World War almost unavoidable. I agree it's all about money. To say this is all on Russia is to be not honest with yourself. The US has had the petition to put the Ukraine into NATO on the table for a very long time now. That is an open insult to Putin. And why is it there, because if Russia invaded a NATO member then the US could legitimately in their eyes at least enter the war? I find it difficult to converse with people that can defend a regime that sends masses of financial aid to Israel and Egypt, both with appalling records for human rights violations but then chooses to target China for it's appalling record on human rights abuses. You cannot have your cake and eat it as well, as you are learning. This is a dangerous time for the US, you cannot flex your military muscle without making yourself look like the problem.

The UK has a nuclear deterrent and France has an independent one, these people are big boys and liberal democracies who call their own shots, they formed NATO for a purpose and it looks like it is about to expand. There will be other alliances in central Asia if we can supply them. Have a look at a map of the region, there are a lot of nervous countries and they are all worried about Vlad, not NATO.

 

[Crumpetlicker]

The UK has a nuclear deterrent and France has an independent one, these people are big boys and liberal democracies who call their own shots, they formed NATO for a purpose and it looks like it is about to expand. There will be other alliances in central Asia if we can supply them. Have a look at a map of the region, there are a lot of nervous countries and they are all worried about Vlad, not NATO.

The US initiated NATO. The rush to join NATO would be self-preservation at this point. This is an historical war not helped by the constant tampering and baiting of the US

 

[Grandpapy]

The rush to join NATO would be self-preservation at this point.

This is where you should stop.

 

[captainmorgan]

Russian state-owned media RT and Sputnik banned in all EU countries, EU Commissioner President says

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The US initiated NATO. The rush to join NATO would be self-preservation at this point. This is an historical war not helped by the constant tampering and baiting of the US

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Russian state-owned media RT and Sputnik banned in all EU countries, EU Commissioner President says

The serpents voice has been silenced.

 

[Budley Doright]

Do you want a list of all the countries the US has interfered with politically? Or maybe it would be significantly quicker and easier to list the countries that the US has not interfered with? Just trying to think. There must be one?

And your point? You feel that has given Putin the moral right to attack? Do you think if Ukrainian people had (as a democracy) decided to join the Soviet block that any other country would have invaded them to stop it? You need to think more logically instead of the go to blaming the US for their failings past/present as the cause.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

‘Sign of weakness’: Ex-CIA director on Putin’s move

Former CIA director Leon Panetta reacts after Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his country's deterrence forces -- including nuclear arms -- onto their highest state of alert.

 

[captainmorgan]

Ukraine claims they took out a 3 mile long military column on it's way to Kyiv today.

 

[topcat]

Ukraine, not the Ukraine! Argh, I can't stand it!

 

[hanimmal]

The US initiated NATO. The rush to join NATO would be self-preservation at this point. This is an historical war not helped by the constant tampering and baiting of the US

By 'tampering' do you mean Biden shouting out Putin's troll playbook before he got the chance to murder thousands of innocent people and pretend like he was doing it for his own good?

Do you want a list of all the countries the US has interfered with politically? Or maybe it would be significantly quicker and easier to list the countries that the US has not interfered with? Just trying to think. There must be one?

I could do the whole 'two guys push a old lady down and broke her leg, one was to steal her purse, and the other was to get her out of the way of a oncoming bus that was about to run her over' thing.

But really, when it comes to Putin's snow flaking that Clinton was somehow 'interfering' when she said that the people's votes should be honored (or whatever it was that Dear Leader Putin lost his shit over), it really loses it's edge as a narrative.

 

[Bagginski]

Nah, rage only causes unknown reactions.
You want change?
Outlaw Communism.

Sure. Outlaw gangsterism while you’re at it: pirates and swindlers thrive on a diet of family and strangers. Outlawing communism won’t rid us of organized crime, a professional pirate class. Pretending it will is the same kind of ‘thinking’ that gave us the Orange Furious in the first place.

Pooti is not a ‘communist’ by any torture of meaning: he’s an autocratic snake with imperial pretensions and an inability to plan & pull off an invasion. He cares about his own aggrandizement, his own self - just like Trump, Cruz, Hawley, DeSantis, Abbot, Quarrelsome & the rest of these hijackers. They are birds of the same feather.

 

[Budley Doright]

Ukraine, not the Ukraine! Argh, I can't stand it!

Might I suggest.

 

[printer]

The US initiated NATO. The rush to join NATO would be self-preservation at this point. This is an historical war not helped by the constant tampering and baiting of the US

You realize the rush to be part of Nato stems from the threat of Russia. And why would Russia concern themselves with Nato being right next door if Russia behaved itself like a responsible nation? Russia vetoes any reasonable action the UN puts forth making the UN useless. Iran, Syria, North Korea, Yemen....

From 1984 to 2004 no vetoes from Russia. What happened in 2004? Putin gets elected to a second term. The Russian Mafia is finally taking over the country. Putin took Crimea when his puppet was driven out of Ukraine. The Russians were not about to negotiate the lease of their naval base.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Ukraine claims they took out a 3 mile long military column on it's way to Kyiv today.

What does that mean?

 

[printer]

Russian vetoes.

10 July 2020

S/2020/667

S/2020/693 S/2020/681

Humanitarian access to Syria

7 July 2020

S/2020/654

S/2020/661 S/2020/657

Humanitarian access to Syria

20 December 2019

S/2019/961

S/PV.8697

Humanitarian access to Syria (via borders with Iraq and Turkey)

19 September 2019

S/2019/756

S/PV.8623

The situation in the Middle East (concerning the Northwestern Syria offensive, part of the ongoing Syrian Civil War)

28 February 2019

S/2019/186

S/PV.8476

The situation in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (concerning the Venezuelan presidential crisis and the results of the 2018 presidential election)

10 April 2018

S/2018/321

S/PV.8228

The Situation in the Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)

S/2018/156

S/PV.8190

Sanctions against Yemen (Yemeni Civil War (2015–present))

 

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17 November 2017	S/2017/970	S/PV.8107	Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)	Russia
16 November 2017	S/2017/962	S/PV.8105	Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)	Russia
24 October 2017	S/2017/884	S/PV.8073	Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)	Russia
12 April 2017	S/2017/315	S/PV.7922	Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)	Russia
28 February 2017	S/2017/172	S/PV.7893	Middle East (Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War)	Russia
5 December 2016	S/2016/1026	S/PV.7825	Middle East (Syrian Civil War)	Russia
8 October 2016	S/2016/846	S/PV.7785	Middle East (Syrian Civil War)	Russia
29 July 2015	S/2015/562	S/PV.7498	Letter dated 28 February 2014 from the Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the United Nations addressed to the President of the Security Council (S/2014/136). (downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH 17)	Russia
8 July 2015	S/2015/508	S/PV.7481	The situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina (20th anniversary of the Srebrenica massacre during the Bosnian War)	Russia
22 May 2014	S/2014/348	S/PV.7180	Middle East - Syria (Syrian Civil War)	Russia
15 March 2014	S/2014/189	S/PV.7138	Letter dated 28 February 2014 from the Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the United Nations addressed to the President of the Security Council (S/2014/136). (concerning the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula)	Russia
19 July 2012	S/2012/538	S/PV.6810	Middle East - Syria (Syrian Civil War)	Russia
4 February 2012	S/2012/77	S/PV.6711	Middle East - Syria (Syrian Civil War)	Russia
4 October 2011	S/2011/612	S/PV.6627	Middle East - Syria (Syrian Civil War)	Russia