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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Crumpetlicker said:
Why is it that whenever somebody suggests a peaceful way to stop hostilities in Ukraine that the US attack that point of view? Is that because the US want this war to happen? Possibly? Point in fact Macron has suggested ways to stop this war but the US attack his point of view. The Ukraine have the option of being neutral like Austria. It's not good enough that Europe negotiate peace, the US has to poo poo that and be in control of something that has nothing to do with them.
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This post achieves a rarely-seen concentration of fail.
 
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
No, drive or walk out, like I said their tanks and APCs full of conscripts with low moral will face thousands of Panzerfaust3, NLAWs, Javelins and RPG anti tank weapons. Thousands of Stinger and Stinger 2 AA missiles will ground Russian air power. These are early days comrade, NATO generals are advising them, NATO intelligence is informing them and acting as a force multiplier. They will withdraw to the west if they are in trouble, the fact that they aren't means they figure they have a chance. These tactics are well known and anticipated, holding the east of the country is not feasible in the long run, holding some cities and the western part will make the war long and bloody, it will only end when the last Russian leaves Crimea now.
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I'm shocked by the Russian military,thought they had recognized mistakes of past doctrine,still using conscripts?(was under impression that the Army had been professionalized),still using soldiers w/no regard for their lives(memories of the lead man has the rifle when he's killed the next man picks up the rifle)incredible,no progress made in night fighting,sending recon probes to be slaughtered(where are special forces?),communications? logistics?. The only thing I haven't seen is artillery lined up hub to hub Stalin style, perplexing that a country w/many brilliant minds and given a blueprint by the West's prior engagements is struggling in this manner,not that I'm complaining,I'd love to see Putin fail and for Russia to abandon it's present ways and come into the West's orbit.
 
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0potato0

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CCGNZ said:
I'm shocked by the Russian military,thought they had recognized mistakes of past doctrine,still using conscripts?(was under impression that the Army had been professionalized),still using soldiers w/no regard for their lives(memories of the lead man has the rifle when he's killed the next man picks up the rifle)incredible,no progress made in night fighting,sending recon probes to be slaughtered(where are special forces?),communications? logistics?. The only thing I haven't seen is artillery lined up hub to hub Stalin style, perplexing that a country w/many brilliant minds and given a blueprint by the West's prior engagements is struggling in this manner,not that I'm complaining,I'd love to see Putin fail and for Russia to abandon it's present ways and come into the West's orbit.
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I don't think that's what is happening now I haven't seen any troops walking infantry mostly deployed to hold positions not take them most work being done by armor and air forces. Every male in russia recieves 1 years military training plus more during their life these are not clueless recruits
The war is streamed live on telegram tiktok etc you can see for yourself.
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CCGNZ

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Not if we exhaust his army in Ukraine with a long war, the people are willing and courageous, they have inspired the EU and NATO to act. Popular support around the world and the reaction must be shocking for Russians, or soon will be. Poland appears to be going all in for the Ukrainians and Germany is going strong again and at their backs this time and not at their throats! This is a pivotal moment in history and it could be the beginning of the end for Vlad.
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I agree,and the Germans have FINALLY woken up,as has the rest of Europe,they also realize that Biden or a Dem may not be the next US pres.and they better re-up on the defense spending. Putin had done a brilliant job prior to this blunder of pushing up to the line but not so far to have his sanity questioned,that presumption has been smashed to say the least. NATO was floundering about until Putin gifted them the laser focus of what the alliance is for.If this had happened 2 years ago? All I can say is I think another bullet has been dodged by the world as a whole.
 
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rkymtnman said:
one thing i dont' understand is even if putin captures kyiv and installs a puppet gov't, who other than belarus and a few other countries will recognize it as legitimate? what purpose does that serve?
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I don't think it will matter the gas will still flow through Ukraine
 
Fogdog

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rkymtnman said:
one thing i dont' understand is even if putin captures kyiv and installs a puppet gov't, who other than belarus and a few other countries will recognize it as legitimate? what purpose does that serve?
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You seem to be falling into the same loop I'm caught in. I keep looking for good logic in all of this. Nothing makes sense in that light. The best reason out there was provided by c licker. Putin felt provoked when his demand that NATO end support for Ukraine and agree to never do it again went unmet. Provocation turned to an escalation in demands that were unanswered which led to threats that had no effect and so of course he had to invade. I have a brother like that. I still don't understand but I can recognize it. Giving him what he wants is seen as weakness by that kind of person which only leads to more demands. From what I've seen the only thing that stops somebody like that is a blow so hard they are unable to do harm again.
 
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