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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
With vast areas to cover we depend on fighter jets for AA and not point defense like AA missiles, we are America's first line of defense from northern attack and were all through the cold war. Our navy has a north Atlantic antisubmarine mission and we and you have had the world oceans wired for sound with under sea cables and mics since the 60's. We know where every Russian nuke sub is and there are two or more attack subs on every one within attack range. Our Navy cleans up the rest...
In ‘03 I found myself motorcycling through southwestern Ontario. Coupla folks in Hawker Hunters were doing that pilot stuff. I pulled over and waved. One of them turned, overflew me then waggled his wings. Best $500 Canada ever spent.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Good point. I was doing the lazy thing and lumping them together as if they were all the same. Deripaska is on my personal hit list due to his role to help Trump get elected in 2016 as described in Mueller's report.

Going to this memorandum:


and this article:


I'd put my chips on Gennady Timchenko and Yuri Kovalchuk as the money men for Putin. But all of those oligarchs are as corrupt as week old road kill.
Roman Abramovich didn't get what he's got with clean hands...seems like he's in a very good position to be a middle man for putin and trump, laundering the dirty trillions...wonder who is keeping an eye on him?
 

Lucky Luke

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Or just the fact that we have had a foreign military attacking our citizens for the better part of a decade.


I would have thought it would be 'Perhaps he shouldn't have attacked at all'. But I guess it is all a matter of perspective.

Seven more pages to go in this thread though, so I am sure there is a lot more bullshit posted.
To be fair your country has also spent well over a decade attacking other governments. Its been a two way street.

Wars are unfortunately a part of the Human race. As soon as a "tribe" makes invisible boundaries and thinks something is "theirs" conflicts happen. Like all wars before and to come people will comment on them.
Remember the Invasion of Iraq? It was prime time TV. Reality war.
 

hanimmal

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To be fair your country has also spent well over a decade attacking other governments. Its been a two way street.

Wars are unfortunately a part of the Human race. As soon as a "tribe" makes invisible boundaries and thinks something is "theirs" conflicts happen. Like all wars before and to come people will comment on them.
Remember the Invasion of Iraq? It was prime time TV. Reality war.
You mean the one that happened when Iraq invaded Kuwait? Or the one Jr sucked us into after we were attacked by terrorists who were using Afghanistan as their training ground?

Shit talk us all you want, the trolling is obvious at this point with you.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The US and EU should make an announcement as follows: Russian money and assets will only be returned after the damages caused by Russia are paid for the destruction in the Ukraine, cause by the Russian invasion. Stop the invasion while you still have money left to be returned one day.

That should put a bullet into Vlad about as quick as anything else...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Roman Abramovich didn't get what he's got with clean hands...seems like he's in a very good position to be a middle man for putin and trump, laundering the dirty trillions...wonder who is keeping an eye on him?
The CIA and other western intelligence agencies, forget the middle east, these guys a laser focused on Russia these days, this is cold war 2 shit now. America is not alone here and many western countries have very capable intelligence services who were especially active during Trump's reign. After Joe was POTUS I'm sure they dumped a shit load of useful stuff on the CIA. Maybe the CIA didn't help start this Ukraine shit, perhaps some NATO members did it to set Vlad up for the fall, should America get a real president again, and apparently you did!
 

printer

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Facebook to restrict access to Russian state-controlled media
Facebook will restrict access to Russian state-controlled media across the European Union, Meta Vice President of Global Affairs Nick Clegg said Monday.

“We have received requests from a number of Governments and the EU to take further steps in relation to Russian state controlled media. Given the exceptional nature of the current situation, we will be restricting access to RT and Sputnik across the EU at this time,” Clegg, a vice president of Facebook's parent company, tweeted.

He said the company will continue to “work closely” with governments on this issue.

It is the latest in a series of updates Facebook and other social media platforms have made since Russia invaded Ukraine last week, a move that’s been widely condemned by U.S. and global leaders.

A spokesperson for Meta did not immediately respond to a request for comment about how Facebook plans to restrict access to Russian state-controlled outlets.

Facebook announced last week that it would prohibit Russian state media from running ads or monetizing on its platform from anywhere in the world.

YouTube announced a similar measure last week, pausing the ability for Russian media channels to monetize on the video-sharing platform.

Twitter on Monday said it would add labels to tweets containing links to Russian state-affiliated media websites, building on the platform's previous policy labeling the state media accounts. The update now applies the designation to links shared by all users.
 

Lucky Luke

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You mean the one that happened when Iraq invaded Kuwait? Or the one Jr sucked us into after we were attacked by terrorists who were using Afghanistan as their training ground?

Shit talk us all you want, the trolling is obvious at this point with you.
No the one in 2003, Where we invaded over a lie. But it could of been the push back of Iraq out of Kuwait..

How is talking about events in history shit talking and trolling? You really do need to be less defensive.
 

hanimmal

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No the one in 2003, Where we invaded over a lie.

How is talking about events in history shit talking and trolling? You really do need to be less defensive.
The trolling is pretending I am being defensive and not just reactive to your obvious trolling in the first place.

I do think though that it is a cherry picked troll saying that we only invaded over a lie. That might have been the most visible reason, but there were others like Jr being mad about the dictator talking shit about his daddy.
 

Lucky Luke

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The trolling is pretending I am being defensive and not just reactive to your obvious trolling in the first place.

I do think though that it is a cherry picked troll saying that we only invaded over a lie. That might have been the most visible reason, but there were others like Jr being mad about the dictator talking shit about his daddy.
Well perhaps you invaded over both those things but the lie is a known and accepted reason.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Richard Haass: The Invasion Is Going Much Worse Than Putin Could Have Imagined

Richard Haass of the Council on Foreign Relations discusses why the Russian invasion of Ukraine in its fifth day has gone much worse than Russian President Vladimir Putin could have imagined.
 

Bagginski

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One of us is living in make believe land because if they encircle the best and strongest Ukrainian army (the one on DNPR front) are they going to grow wings and fly out?
*IF* they encircle it…pull back fast, and alert the militia/irregulars, let the Russians wander in the dark looking for “forces”, getting picked off by locals…OTOH, it’s one thing to surround - quite another to maintain a circle circle. As usual, we’ll wait to see what morning brings. I have utterly NO FAITH in Isvestia
 

Lucky Luke

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Why are these things credible to you?
Hannibal is the only one i've heard mention the daddy thing. So not real credible but certainly arguable. In regard to the lie that Iraq was currently in possession on WMD (like by the way lots of countries like America are..) then it wasnt credible. The Inspectors said no WMD. The war was about the oil reserves and removing the dictator that America had put in place. Then killing him so he couldn't talk (like Bin-laden).
So the lie was not a credible excuse for invading Iraq imo.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Former CIA director: 'It’s going abysmally' for Putin

Former CIA director and retired US Army Gen. David Petraeus tells CNN why providing “a way out” for Putin out of ongoing diplomatic negotiations between Ukrainian and Russian delegations will prove critical.
 

BudmanTX

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Hannibal is the only one i've heard mention the daddy thing. So not real credible but certainly arguable. In regard to the lie that Iraq was currently in possession on WMD (like by the way lots of countries like America are..) then it wasnt credible. The Inspectors said no WMD. The war was about the oil reserves and removing the dictator that America had put in place. Then killing him so he couldn't talk (like Bin-laden).
So the lie was not a credible excuse for invading Iraq imo.
Luke we didn't kill him, the Iraqies did from crimes against humanity, and his ally too Chemical Ali........they were tried in Iraqi courts, one Sunni, one Sha, and one Kurd......
 

printer

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ICC prosecutor to open probe into possible war crimes in Ukraine
A International Criminal Court prosecutor announced Monday that he will open an investigation into possible war crimes perpetrated by Russia in Ukraine.

“I have reviewed the Office's conclusions arising from the preliminary examination of the Situation in Ukraine, and have confirmed that there is a reasonable basis to proceed with opening an investigation,” said Prosecutor Karim A. A. Khan.

“In particular,” he continued. “I am satisfied that there is a reasonable basis to believe that both alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed in Ukraine in relation to the events already assessed during the preliminary examination by the Office.”

Khan said that his investigation would expand as the Russia-Ukraine conflict continues to include any potential future crimes falling within the ICC's jurisdiction.

Ukraine is not among the 123 parties to the ICC’s Rome Statute, which outlaws genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the crime of aggression.

However, the country has accepted the ICC’s jurisdiction over its territory during periods of previous Russian aggression.

Khan asked in his statement for “the support of all States Parties and the international community as a whole as my Office sets about its investigations.”

He said that his office will need budgetary support, voluntary contributions and personnel.

“The importance and urgency of our mission is too serious to be held hostage to lack of means,” Khan said.

U.S. State Department spokesperson Ned Price on Monday put Russians involved in the Ukraine invasion on notice.

"The government of Russia and all Russian personnel involved in these operations should know that the United States is supporting international multilateral efforts to detect and document of potential human rights abuses or violations of international humanitarian law," he told reporters in a briefing.

"And…we are equally committed to supporting the pursuit of accountability for human rights violations for abuses of international humanitarian law for potential war crimes for other potential atrocities using every tool available, including criminal prosecutions where appropriate."
 
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