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Sativied

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Is converting to natural gas in the meantime mean that global warming is reduced sooner?
What it means is it’s reduced cheaper to a self-imposed milestone, it does not mean it is reduced sooner to the required point. On the contrary, cause the problem with temporary solutions is they tend to get a more permanent character. Buildings switching to natural gas now won’t replace it for several decades, aside from destroying capital that could have been used for real solutions to a serious problem. The fact it takes long is a good reason to start yesterday, not to delay it any longer, not to replace dirty with less dirty but with clean. 10% of homes in NL no longer have a gas connection. Increasing fast cause since 2018 new houses are no longer allowed to connect to gas and many are replacing it for an average of 30k euros per home.

Not sure what dog you have in this fight, but maybe this will refute any more irrational arguments beforehand:


Turns out that expert who worked for Shell for 25 years and since his retirement published on the matter for 6 years has somewhat of a clue what he is talking about.
 

printer

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Russia increases missiles strikes but no 'significant change on the ground'
The United States has seen “no appreciable movement” of Russian forces towards Ukraine’s capital of Kyiv since yesterday, though the Kremlin has increased its strikes on the city, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

“We would assess that there essentially has been no appreciable movement closer to the city than what we briefed a couple of days ago,” the official told reporters. “Basically they remain stalled outside the city center.”

Washington has also observed “an increase in missiles and artillery” targeting Kyiv’s infrastructure, with similar situations seen in Chernihiv to the north and Kharkiv to the northeast.

“Both cities are continually under assault, but with no, again, appreciable movement by the Russians to take either one,” they said.

The United States estimates that Russia has now sent into Ukraine 82 percent of the combat power it had staged outside the country prior to the invasion, which began last week.

Those combat powers include a much watched 40-mile-long military convoy heading toward Kyiv, but the U.S. believes that movement is “stalled,” due to lack of fuel, food and fierce Ukrainian resistance, the official said.

“They are not moving at any rate that would lead one to believe that they've solved their problems. So we would characterize it as stalled,” they said. “We have some indications that [Ukrainians] have also at places and at times tried to target this convoy.”

In the south, Russian forces have made more headway.

Kherson, where Russians have claimed they have taken control, is still “very much a contested city at this point,” the official said.

There are also “preliminary indications” that Russian troops would attempt to move on the coastal city of Mariupol from the Donetsk region, with an advance “from multiple directions” to encircle the city.

The official also said Russia has conducted “more than 450 missile launches,” since the assault started. The missiles are of “all stripes and sizes,” including “short-range, medium-range, surface air missiles, cruise missiles,” they added.

The airspace over Ukraine, meanwhile, continues to remain contested, with both Ukrainian and Russian air and missile defense capabilities “intact and viable.”
 

BudmanTX

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seems like putin is trying to pound them into copulation, and it's not work......so Putin is getting more frustrated by the minute, with him losing money, and Russia itself losing money too.....make me wonder what that March 6th thing is....
 

hanimmal

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There are some interesting names on this flyer for a "Peace Rally". It seems the Labour Party has some potato heads in their midst too. "Britain playing a provocative role"?



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A description of the rally says: “We oppose Russian military intervention in Ukraine. We also recognise this is a conflict thirty years in the making, a conflict in which Britain is playing a provocative role - talking up war, decrying diplomacy and supplying arms to Ukraine as well as supporting increased military deployments to neighbouring countries.

“Leading figures from the anti-war movement will provide insight and analysis missing from most media coverage. We must ensure that the anti-war campaign is prepared and organised to pull us back from the precipice - so come along on Wednesday.”

At a meeting of the parliamentary Labour party on Monday, Keir Starmer made it clear than any member who does not support Nato would be kicked out.

He said: “Labour’s commitment to democracy, the rule of law and the sovereignty of independent nations is unshakable.
“Vladimir Putin is attacking all those things. Nato is defending them.

“There are groups in this country who haven’t seemed to understand that difference.

“Let me be very clear. There will be no place in this party for false equivalence between the actions of Russia and the actions of Nato.”


Is this grass roots British or astroturf psy ops?
My brain got stuck at Kate Hudson.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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So you see the majority of home owners converting their homes to heat pumps just because it is a good idea? Without the government paying for it (and ultimately the taxpayer), it ain't going to happen. Also where are all these heat pumps going to come from? Where is the electricity and the infastructure going to come from? People do not realize the amount of energy we use.
newer heat pumps can operate at 100% efficiency down to 5 F then they start to drop quickly, becoming totally ineffective at about -15 F, so they wouldn't be a good choice for anywhere that has regular periods where it gets that cold. i'm not sure how the line arches, but going from 100% efficiency down to 20% or less at -15 is a pretty steep gradient
 

Budley Doright

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So you see the majority of home owners converting their homes to heat pumps just because it is a good idea? Without the government paying for it (and ultimately the taxpayer), it ain't going to happen. Also where are all these heat pumps going to come from? Where is the electricity and the infastructure going to come from? People do not realize the amount of energy we use.
Your right. The heat pump is a great add on, although heat pumps will not handle the total heat load on conventional existing builds nor the power required to add supplemental electric heat. Lots of logistics and money involved with off carbon :(.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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seems like putin is trying to pound them into copulation, and it's not work......so Putin is getting more frustrated by the minute, with him losing money, and Russia itself losing money too.....make me wonder what that March 6th thing is....
I now understand why Zelinskiy and the government stayed in Kyiv and baited Vlad, I believe they were advised to by NATO, at least for now. Kyiv is a major historic, cultural and religious site for Slavic peoples, it's reduction to rubble will go over like a turd in the punch bowl in Russia. By tying down Vlad's demoralized army in the east of the country, he has left the entire western part exposed to NATO help and support. Vlad's horrific attack on the cities will do him little good and much harm, urban warfare is notorious for soaking up troops and inflicting heavy casualties. Kyiv might hold out for months if surrounded and I don't think the ring around it is that tight and could be easily broken in places.

The Ukrainians will have the entire western half of the country and NATO will supply, support and train from eastern Poland. Belarus is politically weak and propped up by Russian troops, they've recently been hit with the same sanctions as Russia and the restless population ain't gonna be happy. Belarus is at the back of a major line of advance into Ukraine's capitol. Belarus could go like Ukraine too, they see Russian weakness, Ukrainian courage and might seize the moment.
 

printer

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What it means is it’s reduced cheaper to a self-imposed milestone, it does not mean it is reduced sooner to the required point. On the contrary, cause the problem with temporary solutions is they tend to get a more permanent character. Buildings switching to natural gas now won’t replace it for several decades, aside from destroying capital that could have been used for real solutions to a serious problem. The fact it takes long is a good reason to start yesterday, not to delay it any longer, not to replace dirty with less dirty but with clean. 10% of homes in NL no longer have a gas connection. Increasing fast cause since 2018 new houses are no longer allowed to connect to gas and many are replacing it for an average of 30k euros per home.

Not sure what dog you have in this fight, but maybe this will refute any more irrational arguments beforehand:


Turns out that expert who worked for Shell for 25 years and since his retirement published on the matter for 6 years has somewhat of a clue what he is talking about.
The dog I have in the fight is that I spent ten years on large HVAC systems, I live in an area that uses hydro generated electricity which we also export. Even with our excess capacity I can not see our electrical supply able to cover all our electrical needs I would love to see everything converted to renewables but I do not see the world having the capacity to do it. In the meantime the longer the amount of carbon we put up in the air the greater the effort needed later (where later is soon upon us).

I am for hitting the low hanging fruit as soon as possible to limit the greater effort needed later. I understand your point that it is better to go green in one jump, I just do not see it happening. So rather than keep coal fired plants open spewing carbon up in the air I would rather see them converted to natural gas. It means Putin does have power over Europe but in the global scheme of things it might be the lesser of evils if the thoughts are true about how serious the global warming threat is. Once the glaciers and polar ice melts there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. We may see Putin as an annoyance compared to the world we may find ourselves in.
 

Budley Doright

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newer heat pumps can operate at 100% efficiency down to 5 F then they start to drop quickly, becoming totally ineffective at about -15 F, so they wouldn't be a good choice for anywhere that has regular periods where it gets that cold. i'm not sure how the line arches, but going from 100% efficiency down to 20% or less at -15 is a pretty steep gradient
There are different types. Some don’t rely on ambient air but water or ground heat so outdoor air has no effect other than increased heat load. Also compared to electric heat (100% efficient ) they actually surpass 100% with COP’s of 2.5ish (some) at 5F but the biggest hurdle as I said is they still require supplemental heat which requires bigger services to building most times. They are very popular here but rarely do we get below 5F and average 20ish. There needs to be rebates provided to spur growth or triple natural gas prices.
 

printer

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Your right. The heat pump is a great add on, although heat pumps will not handle the total heat load on conventional existing builds nor the power required to add supplemental electric heat. Lots of logistics and money involved with off carbon :(.
Another thing is automotive. They say that temperature is not a problem in battery life as far as delivering energy, the thing that sucks a lot of energy is heating the car interior. Not a big problem in some areas, it is a mild -13 C here today. Was -25 to -30 C last week. Also we have greater distances to travel than in places like Europe.
 

Mr_X

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Donald just threw Vald under the bus, I wonder how that will work out? His base were moved by the images on TV of white Christians with guns and guts fighting for liberty. This resonates deeply with the base and he's got to do a 180 and fuck Vlad, or try to.

fake news
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Your right. The heat pump is a great add on, although heat pumps will not handle the total heat load on conventional existing builds nor the power required to add supplemental electric heat. Lots of logistics and money involved with off carbon :(.
Heat pumps are more efficient and a better option if transitioning away from gas heat. I figure there will be massive government subsidies to convert and heat pumps can do the job for 90% of their winters. If this goes on, there will also be a massive infrastructure program to use tanker LNG and Danish gas as an alternative. In the beginning a robust green new grid with energy storage might not be so green, but it will improve over a decade. Europe is better suited to the green new grid too, EV's are more practical there and trains are run by electricity now. Heat pumps can also take advantage of geothermal heat or latent heat in the soil below the frost line, this boosts efficiency significantly, also insulation programs and upgrades etc.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Another thing is automotive. They say that temperature is not a problem in battery life as far as delivering energy, the thing that sucks a lot of energy is heating the car interior. Not a big problem in some areas, it is a mild -13 C here today. Was -25 to -30 C last week. Also we have greater distances to travel than in places like Europe.
The only sort of car heater I’ve seen scavenges exhaust heat. Are you describing a supplemental electric heat source?
 

printer

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The only sort of car heater I’ve seen scavenges exhaust heat. Are you describing a supplemental electric heat source?
Yes. The manufacturers are saying they have efficiency up to the point where there is not enough heat coming off the motor and that electric heaters are needed. I can see heated seats helping out some but you still need to keep the windows free of frost.
 
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