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DIY-HP-LED

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Desperation big time, he can't send his troops into the cities, those who weren't killed would be infected with bad moral, they do not perceive the Ukrainians as enemies, but brothers. They would have to prepare troops with propaganda to even begin, but that would be difficult. This is not going over well with the Russian troops and will be very unpopular at home when the truth is known and it will be.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Russians are doing to the Ukrainians what the Germans did to them and the Ukrainians are putting up a heroic struggle like they did in WW2. This realization will not be lost on many in Russia when word spreads of this fiasco and humanitarian crises, they will understand one day why they are pariah's to the world and are living like shit. Kyiv is an important religious and cultural center for all Slavic peoples and especially Russians. One day enough of them will know it was all Vlad's fault and that day might be faster than we think. They might turn on Vlad like a pack of dogs in a month or two.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I have lived my 60 years in places with no movement of borders. I cannot imagine.
The great thing about the EU is borders don't matter as much, people can send their kids across borders to school in their language if required. Business has less headaches and the whole EU is their market, everybody is happy and a lot of border disputes disappear.
 

Fogdog

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It makes sense now. I read a report where Putin was sending 1000 mercenaries but the report said they were Russian veterans. A thousand soldiers are just a drop in the bucket compared to the 180,000 he had stationed. Even well trained, it didn't make sense. But now it does. He's sending in people with no ethnic or cultural connections to Ukrainians. People who will not hesitate to slaughter civilians.

They will be instruments of terror. If there were such a thing as hell, a spot is warmed up for Putin.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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We are hearing a lot about fighter jets and while they are useful, other aircraft like transports are more important too and not much is being said about those and small arms flowing in from NATO stocks of old soviet weapons and they have lot's, nobody will be scouring the arms markets looking for AK47s, NATO has a lot in warehouses.

I believe this will be an infantry fight in Ukraine, not even like WW2, there will be little close air support and tanks and APCs will simply become death traps with anti tank missiles, so armored thrusts will be limited. It will be brutal in the occupied areas with heavily armed partisans attacking Russian supplies and other logistical support. The Russians will have to somehow suppress the local population severely, perhaps round people up and ship them to concentration camps, difficult to do when they are all armed to the fucking teeth!
 

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US and allies discussing potential for Ukraine government in exile: report
U.S. officials told CNN on Sunday that discussions have ranged from supporting Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and his government moving operations to the western city of Lviv, or setting up a government in neighboring Poland if elected leaders are forced to flee.

Previous assessments that Lviv might be relatively safe from Russia aggression due to its strategic location in the west have lost traction as Russia's apparent desire to overtake the entire country comes into focus.

"All the signs are that [Putin] is going to continue," a senior Western intelligence official told CNN. "And I think the scraping the bottom of the barrel in some of these other places is indicative that now they really have to go all in, literally, not just figuratively, to make sure that they can proceed to take the whole country.”

Officials also said that Zelensky, who remains in the capital city of Kyiv, has rejected any conversation other than efforts to boost his country's fight against Russia.

The Ukrainian president has amplified his calls for a no-fly zone in recent days, though President Biden and U.S. lawmakers have resisted such a move, as it would likely mean direct contact with Russian military forces.

The UN’s refugee agency shared on Thursday that more than one million Ukrainian citizens have fled the country since the invasion.

A number of Western countries have moved their diplomatic operations in Ukraine to Lviv, a centuries-old city about 40 miles from the border with Poland.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Remember what happened to the Iranians for kidnapping American diplomats for 40 years? Not just the sanctions but the war with Saddam too ( a real proxy war :lol: ), a titanic WW1 style struggle in the desert in the 80's that killed many. Now imagine what is going to happen to Russia for fucking with America and inflicting Trump on everybody! It's got off to a flying start I must say, I hope it doesn't kill everybody, but Vlad fucked up and they are going for his throat. He is going to have unimaginable problems and revolutions in other former Soviet republics, there will be plenty of fires to put out. By starting this horrible war, Vlad opened the door to his empire to the CIA and they are gonna go to fucking town. This situation is every intelligence officers dream and they will dream up a million ways for Vlad to feel the pain. Meanwhile the state department is working overtime on making life for Vlad and in Russia as miserable as they can, while trying to get truth to the Russian people.

There is gonna be a big back to the land movement in Russia, as millions move back to their grand parents farms and take up subsistence farming to survive. The dying rural villages of Russia will spring back to life, as unemployment drives young people back to the land and peasanthood, they will not be happy..
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Chinese did that with Tienanmen Square. Send in troops that speak the same language and you could have grandmothers talking to them asking them what they are doing to them. When you can not understand the people talking to you it is easier not to sympathies with them.
Stalin did it all the time, it's an old trick with dictators.
 

Antidote Man

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This is how its going to end:

A. The Russians will gather and rally against him forming a coup to take him out of power

or

B. After he holds enough power and has things in place for him in Ukraine, he's going to sneak out of there like the worm he is and promise that although it was necessary for Russia, he won't ever do it again.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Previous wars point to Putin's tactics in Ukraine
From wars in Chechnya to Syria, Vladimir Putin has overseen military campaigns that have inflicted vast and often indiscriminate damage on civilian infrastructure, raising fears he might repeat the tactics in Ukraine, observers say.

With his latest invasion seen by Western officials as going more slowly than expected, they see him turning increasingly to the use of artillery and missile strikes that, if continued, will lay waste to residential areas.

Putin's more than twenty-year career at the top of Russian politics was founded on his ruthlessness in military affairs.
Back in 1999, he was a surprise nomination for prime minister by then ailing president Boris Yeltsin whose popularity had been sapped by the country's economic woes, corruption and a bloody separatist war in the region of Chechnya.
One of Putin's first major acts as premier was to oversee a whole-scale offensive against the rebels in the breakaway Muslim-majority region in the far south-east.

Although he denied that a ground invasion was being prepared, tens of thousands of troops were ordered into Chechnya along with an aerial and artillery bombardment that reduced the capital Grozny to rubble.
"Putin behaved like a political kamikaze, throwing his entire political capital into the war, burning it to the ground," Yeltsin later wrote in his memoirs.

Grozny, already damaged during what was known as the First Chechen War in 1994-96, was described by the United Nations as the most destroyed city in the world following this second conflict from 1999.

But the fighting, reported by state media under tightly controlled conditions, turned Putin from a relative unknown to a favourite for the presidential election the following year which he went on to win.

- Syrian action -
After the invasion of neighbouring Georgia in 2008, which saw Russian troops easily overpower their badly equipped rivals, Putin ordered Russian troops into Syria in 2015 in support of Bashar al-Assad's regime.

The move, which caught the West by surprise, saw Russian warplanes play a central role in a bombing blitz against rebels that devastated Syrian cities, most notably during the siege of Aleppo in 2016.

"Aleppo is now a synonym for hell," then UN chief Ban Ki-moon said in December that year after a blocade trapped tens of thousands in the city which was pummelled with artillery and air strikes.

Charles Lister, an expert on the Syrian conflict at the Middle East Institute, wrote on Twitter this week that images of the shelling of the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv were "like Aleppo all over again".

Elie Tenembaum, a security expert at the French Institute of International Relations (IFRI), said that Putin had in fact initially attempted different tactics in Ukraine. Apparently anticipating little resistance, air-borne special forces were landed near Kyiv last week in an attempted "thunder run" to take out the government, but were quickly killed or captured.

"It didn't work. They were up against too great a resistance, so what we're seeing now is a return to fundamentals," Tenembaum told AFP.
"Their main firepower is unguided munitions which risk devastating Ukrainian forces while causing very, very large numbers of civilian casualties which will increase the exodus (of refugees)," he added.

Images coming out of the country from Ukraine's second-city of Kharkiv, the southern port of Kherson and the suburbs of Kyiv showed damage to apartment blocks, schools, university buildings or government offices.

Critics of the Russian leader have long warned that he has been emboldened by previous operations which have gone unchallenged.
Russian chess master and opposition figure Garry Kasparov told Times Radio in London this week that "war crimes on an industrial scale" is "not new" for Putin.

Amnesty said it was "documenting the escalation in violations of humanitarian and human rights law, including deaths of civilians resulting from indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas and infrastructure."
The best predictor of future action is past performance, I suspect Putin had something to do with blowing up those apartment buildings as a pretext for war. He might be a spy master, but from this fiasco he sure as shit is no strategist and will pay a heavy price for his many blunders and more mistakes on the way. Planning for a government in exile is wise, but the Russians are going to have one Hell of a fight before those unprepared Russian forces can arrive. NATO commanders know this and have assessed the situation, many believe the Ukrainians can win if we arm, support and resupply them. They sure as shit will have a fight to get them out of western Ukraine and the Carpathian mountains. They will end up losing most of their equipment and the planes they dare to commit, NATO will bleed him white. Vlad can't replace losses with a crippled economy in freefall and it will be that way for a decade or more, NATO is looking at it as a long term investment. After this no one will fear a declawed bear with his fangs removed, even in the small republics he has under his thumb, they will smell the blood in the water too.
 

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Russian Shops to Limit Food Sales to Counter Black Market
 
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