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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You know, we get stuck with one bad president and the whole world hates you..what about the before and after?

Also, regarding the 1994 memo Clinton signed for Ukraine to give up nukes? is valid and we should be assisting and FUCK Putin:finger:

A SECRET: Putin is afraid of us.
I must say that the bad-President label belongs to “every Republican since Eisenhower”. Reagan was the one who set us on this path toward fascism.

Your last line is the kicker imo. A scared autocrat with the Button is one of the monsters under my bed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
“Some of the Stans”. lol.

How do you find time to meditate?
It generally doesn't take too much time if one is into mindfulness and not Buddhism, which is more intense (been there done that). I also have Sikh influences on my practice and ethics, which is adapted to the modern world and reality. Buddhism and being a bump on a log is fine for some, but I was never cut out for it, though it helped me a lot in life. That's why I teach mindfulness and not Buddhism, even though I know a bit about it.

To stop someone like Vlad you must kill the fucker, or hurt him so bad he thinks twice. I don't think Vlad is mad, he just got carried away with himself, but he's being bitch slapped back to reality, you can tell that by how pissed off he is. Sikhs are warriors who meditate, at least the religious ones do. I believe we are products of evolution, social evolution too and that means tribalism and you can see it's effects at work, it is not necessarily a bad thing, at least the way the Ukrainians are using it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
With 40 year old hardware..20 year old rations.,the Russians are literally walking away from the Convoy..perhaps Putin is all set for 20th Century sanctions but are his people?

Sorry but Apple, McD and technology are hard to walk away from at 18..they know the only way back is body bag..so kids are taking the opportunity of a no doubt global friendship..somewhere.
I wonder about those ancient rations and spoilage. Are they sending soldiers to the infirmary?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Because he has no chance of winning without dragging the world to war with him. It's been set up that way so russia would take the bait.

It's playing out right now and you're cheering it on. Why?
i think you're very wrong, about a lot of things...
first off, what bait? if you haven't noticed, NATO is trying to stay as hands off as possible, as well as the US, both have been saying no reinforcements, unless something drastically changes...russia has real soldiers, but not enough of them, they need some of their men, and some of their equipment, the keep civil peace in russia, to patrol borders, to support al-assad in syria...they don't have enough men to do all of that...their regular army was fucked over by the criminals that putin put in charge, who stole funding and ignored required maintenance for vehicles and training for new troops. they lied to their troops, and sent them in poorly supplied and poorly organized.
i think the Ukrainians have a very good chance of kicking russia's ass with minimal assistance...they have been for a month now, and men,
materials, and financial aid keep pouring into Ukraine and out of russia...
why am i cheering this on? because putin is the last in a long like of autocrats to rule russia, to it's people's detriment. because he is a murderous fuck, throwing away the lives of both russian and Ukrainian men and women, and children. Europe and the West have tried sanctions, which are effective, but slow to take a real toll. the Ukraines need the war to stop NOW...if that takes arming them to the teeth and financing their army, so be it. the world need russia to stop NOW...the poor in the third world will feel the sanctions on russia more than the russians will for at least the first year...the poor in modern industrialized countries will feel it before the average russian...
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
Or release something else from that plane.

Kleenex/handkerchief laced with fentanyl.
Interesting …

For a simple man like myself , I say tetrahydrozoline ( visine ) surreptitiously added to capitalist “ Big Mak “ .

But , maybe he’s sporting a hollow molar with a poison pill in case he gets cornered in the shitter.
 

zeddd

Well-Known Member
i think you're very wrong, about a lot of things...
first off, what bait? if you haven't noticed, NATO is trying to stay as hands off as possible, as well as the US, both have been saying no reinforcements, unless something drastically changes...russia has real soldiers, but not enough of them, they need some of their men, and some of their equipment, the keep civil peace in russia, to patrol borders, to support al-assad in syria...they don't have enough men to do all of that...their regular army was fucked over by the criminals that putin put in charge, who stole funding and ignored required maintenance for vehicles and training for new troops. they lied to their troops, and sent them in poorly supplied and poorly organized.
i think the Ukrainians have a very good chance of kicking russia's ass with minimal assistance...they have been for a month now, and men,
materials, and financial aid keep pouring into Ukraine and out of russia...
why am i cheering this on? because putin is the last in a long like of autocrats to rule russia, to it's people's detriment. because he is a murderous fuck, throwing away the lives of both russian and Ukrainian men and women, and children. Europe and the West have tried sanctions, which are effective, but slow to take a real toll. the Ukraines need the war to stop NOW...if that takes arming them to the teeth and financing their army, so be it. the world need russia to stop NOW...the poor in the third world will feel the sanctions on russia more than the russians will for at least the first year...the poor in modern industrialized countries will feel it before the average russian...
I think this is a chess game, the opening losses of pawns is inevitable if the goal is the other player’s King. I see that Putin wants to engage in ww3 and we are blinded, thevwest think he’s playing conventional warfare because he wants Ukraine, he wants to engage NATO because he feels insulted by them, he wants full scale dominance.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
We agree on something. This is why he will drop the bomb that starts a nuclear war, he has nothing left to lose. He was goaded into taking on a fools errand, and the cost could possibly be the world as we know it.

Slow clap for American foreign policy.




No shit, America will wither and die without a good conflict to hold it together.
no matter how mad he is, he knows that that will be the end of russia, whether it's the end of the world or not.
if he was that crazy, he would have nuked Kyiv last week...
putin wasn't goaded by anyone, except his own delusions of grandeur. America didn't want a war with russia, no one does, but delusional assholes always think everything is about them.
it's not good business, politically or financially. you think all those businesses wanted to board up their russian operations and quit raking in that money? you think manufacturers wanted a war to make even further delays to critical deliveries they can't operate without? you think farmers wanted the price of fertilizers to soar, cutting into their already thin profits? no one wanted this war except putin...quit sucking tucker carlson's dick and open your eyes and ears for fuck's sake.
America was doing fine with no major conflicts to deal with...do you live in the evil star trek universe, and just step through the mirror to post here?
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Wondering if the decommissioned judo midget is calling on sensi master fatass Steven Seagal for help.
All those D rated action flicks might have some pointers.

Side note : Notice the same floppy jowl characteristics between them.



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I wonder if he's still there? He will be living like shit if he does. He might need his "skills" when he comes back to America cause someone on the right might sucker punch him. He's finished in Hollywood. One good thing about this war is many of the Trumper republicans will be getting death threats from other right wing lunatics! Donald's base of white males has been seduced by guns, guts and the fight for freedom by armed citizens. Most of the INCELs jerkoff to that fantasy FFS! :lol:
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Yeah, so the US staged coupe that overthrew the Russian friendly government in 2014 in favor of a more western friendly government that is responsible for the killing of 14,000 Russian Ukranians since they took power had nothing to do with this occupation. Just a madman with an alien brain worm.

Putin took the bait, that's on him 100%, but in this new age of taking responsibility for your actions America needs to eat a bowl of responsibility soup.
yeah, so the russian backed coup that tried to topple the legitimately elected government in 2014 failed, but they continue to foster violence in Crimea, after their illegal annexation. the russians are responsible for those 14000 deaths, which is a drop in the bucket that generations of russians leaders have filled with their own peoples blood..so it looks like russia needs to eat a bowl of responsibility borscht...comrade
 

printer

Well-Known Member
It's naive to think that that this came out of nowhere and that the reason for this conflict is that Putin is a madman. That's propaganda at its finest.

This conflict has been predicted for decades.
No, Russia has a long history of meddling in other's affairs and sending in troops to ensure there is a russian friendly administration. Moldova in 1992, Tajikistan in 1993, Chechnya 1994 as well as (South Ossetia in 1992 and Abkhazia in 1993) Georgia. Georgia in 2008 , Ukraine (Crimea) 2014, Syria 2015.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Long history of Russia eliminating 'problem' people. Might be time for Putin to go.

"
Date and Event
--Nov. 9, 1989: Berlin Wall falls.

--June 1991: Yeltsin wins first ever Russian presidential election.

--March 1997: Yeltsin appoints Boris Nemtsov first deputy Prime
Minister.

--July 1998: Putin is appointed head of the Russian Federal Security
Service (FSB).

--Nov. 20, 1998: Galina Starovoitova, a prominent liberal member of
Russia's Parliament, is shot to death in her St. Petersburg
apartment.

--Sept.-Oct. 1999: Putin sends Russian troops back into Chechnya in the
wake of a series of bomb explosions in Russia which are blamed on
Chechen extremists.

--Dec. 31, 1999: Yeltsin resigns, Putin becomes acting President.

--May 12, 2000: Igor Domnikov, a newspaper special-projects editor who
reported on corruption in the Russian oil industry, is hit in the
head and left lying unconscious in a pool of blood in his apartment
building.

--July 26, 2000: Sergey Novikov, owner of an independent radio station
that often criticized the provincial government, is shot four times
in his apartment building in Smolensk

--Sept. 21, 2000: Iskandar Khatloni, a reporter for the Tajik-language
service of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, is attacked in his
apartment by an ax-wielding assailant.

--Oct. 3, 2000: Sergey Ivanov, director of an independent television
company, is shot five times in the head and chest in front of his
apartment building.

--Nov. 21, 2000: Adam Tepsurgayev, a cameraman who covered the Chechen
war, is shot dead.

--April 29, 2002: Valery Ivanov, editor-in-chief of a newspaper that
exposed government corruption, is shot eight times in the head at
point-blank range outside of his home.

--Aug. 21, 2002: Vladimir Golovlyov, a leader of the Liberal Russia
faction in the lower house of Parliament, is shot dead in Moscow.

--April 17, 2003: Sergei Yushenkov, a member of the lower house of
Russia's Parliament and an outspoken critic of Putin, is shot to
death outside of his Moscow apartment.

--June 2003: Russian Government cites financial reasons for axing last
remaining nationwide independent TV channel.

--July 3, 2003: Yuri Shchekochikhin, a vocal opposition journalist,
dies after falling ill with a mysterious disease.

--June 19, 2004: Nikolai Girenko, a prominent human rights defender, is
shot dead in his home in St. Petersburg.

--July 9, 2004: Paul Klebnikov, the first editor of Forbes magazine's
Russian edition, is shot dead as he leaves his Moscow office.

--Sept. 14, 2006: Andrei Kozlov, the First Deputy Chairman of Russia's
Central Bank who shut down banks accused of corruption, dies after
he was shot outside of a Moscow sports arena.

--Oct. 7, 2006: Anna Politkovskaya, a journalist and fierce critic of
the Kremlin, is shot and killed in her Moscow apartment building.

--Nov. 23, 2006: Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB officer who was
critical of Putin, died after being poisoned with radioactive
polonium-210.

--March 2, 2007: Ivan Safronov, a journalist who embarrassed the
country's military establishment with a series of exclusive
stories, is found dead outside of his home.

--July 15, 2007: Marina Pisareva, deputy head of Bertelsmann AG's
Russian publishinghouse, is found stabbed to death in her home west
of Moscow.

--Aug. 2008: Russia invades Georgia; Medvedev signs an order
recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two
breakaway regions in Georgia.

--Aug. 31, 2008: Magomed Yevloyev, owner of a popular news site that
reported on human rights, dies from a gunshot wound to the head
sustained while in police custody.

--Nov. 2008: Russian Parliament votes overwhelmingly in favor of a bill
that would extend the next President's term of office from 4 to 6
years.

--Jan. 19, 2009: Stanslav Markelov, a human rights lawyer, and
Anastasia Barburova, a young journalism student, are shot dead
midday on a busy Moscow street.

--April 2009: Vyacheslav Yaroshenko, an editor at the newspaper
Corruption and Crime, is beaten outside of his home; he passed away
from his injuries weeks later.

--July 15, 2009: Natalia Estemirova, a prominent human rights
journalist, is abducted from her home in Chechnya and shot dead.

--Nov. 16, 2009: Sergei Magnitsky, a lawyer who was jailed in revenge
for his uncovering of massive tax fraud, dies in prison; Olga
Kotovskaya, a TV journalist who critically reported on government
leaders, dies after falling from a window.

--Dec. 15, 2011: Gadzhimurad Kamalov, founder and publisher of a
Dagestani newspaper known for its editorial independence, is gunned
down outside of his office.

--March 23, 2013: Boris Berezovsky, once the richest of the so-called
oligarchs who dominated post-Soviet Russia and a close ally of
Yeltsin who helped install Putin as President, is mysteriously
found dead in his home outside of London.

--July 9, 2013: Akhmednabi Akhmednabiev, deputy chief editor of a
Dagestani newspaper, dies after sustaining multiple gunshot wounds.

--Dec. 2013-Feb. 2014: Amidst large proreform protests in Ukraine,
Putin offers to purchase $15 billion of Ukraine's debt and to
reduce the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine. Violent
protests flare, and by 2/22/2014 Yanukovych had fled Keiv.

--March 2014: President Putin signs a law formalizing Russia's takeover
of Crimea from Ukraine.

--May 11, 2014: Pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk declare
independence after unrecognized referendums.

--July 17, 2014: Malaysian flight MH17 is shot down and crashes near
the town of Torez in Ukraine's Donetsk region; 298 people die.

--July 31, 2014: Timur Kuashev, a journalist critical of Russian policy
in Ukraine, goes missing and is later found dead.

--Sept. 5, 2014: Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels sign a truce in Minsk.

--Nov. 5, 2014: Alexei Devotchenko, a popular Russian actor and
opposition activist, dies in unclear circumstances.

--Jan. 24, 2015: Russian-backed rebels launch an offensive in Mariupol,
Ukraine, killing 30 people and wounding 102 others.

--Feb. 11-12, 2015: Germany and France broker Minsk II cease-fire
between Russia and Ukraine.

--Feb. 19, 2015: Ukrainian soldiers retreat from Debaltseve after 13
are killed and 157 wounded.

--Feb. 27, 2015: Boris Nemtsov, a prominent critic of Putin's war in
Ukraine and a former Deputy Prime Minister under Yeltsin, is shot
in the back four times by an unidentified attacker in a car as he
crossed a bridge near the Kremlin."
 

printer

Well-Known Member
When Does Vladimir Putin’s Russia Send In Troops?
This month marks the tenth anniversary of Vladimir Putin’s first military intervention abroad, in Georgia. Since then there have been two more, continuing to this day, in Ukraine and Syria in 2014 and 2015, respectively. And still it’s worth asking: When does Putin authorize the use of military force, overtly or covertly, against other countries and why?

In my view, at least two conditions need to be in place for Russia’s leadership to seriously consider this option. They can be broadly defined as follows: First, Putin has to see an acute threat to Russia’s vital national interests that he thinks cannot be neutralized by any means short of force; I’ll call the presence of such threats “Condition 1.” The situation in Georgia in 2008 threatened key Russian interests in several ways, including an attack on an ally or client (also the case in Syria in 2015) and, more important, concern that one of Moscow’s post-Soviet neighbors may “escape” to what Russia sees as a hostile alliance (also the case in the ongoing conflict with Ukraine). A full list of Russia’s vital interests and how they are impacted by Russia’s interventions is in the table in section IV below.

The second condition for Russia to use military force against another country is that Moscow must have a reasonable hope that such actions would yield a net reduction in threats to Russia’s vital interests (“Condition 2”). This may not mean outright victory. But Russian leaders must be confident that the benefits of using force would outweigh the costs and that their military would either prevail in the confrontation or at least ensure a stalemate that would constrain the targeted state’s ability to seriously undermine Russia’s vital interests.

Again, both conditions need to be present for Putin’s Russia to use force against other states on a large scale; neither one by itself is sufficient. In my view, all three instances in which Putin has authorized large-scale use of force abroad met these criteria—in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria. It is also my view that one of these two conditions was absent during the revolutions in Kyrgyzstan and Armenia, explaining why Putin chose not to intervene in these two former Soviet republics. Let’s explore each of these instances in detail....
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Long history of Russia eliminating 'problem' people. Might be time for Putin to go.

"
Date and Event
--Nov. 9, 1989: Berlin Wall falls.

--June 1991: Yeltsin wins first ever Russian presidential election.

--March 1997: Yeltsin appoints Boris Nemtsov first deputy Prime
Minister.

--July 1998: Putin is appointed head of the Russian Federal Security
Service (FSB).

--Nov. 20, 1998: Galina Starovoitova, a prominent liberal member of
Russia's Parliament, is shot to death in her St. Petersburg
apartment.

--Sept.-Oct. 1999: Putin sends Russian troops back into Chechnya in the
wake of a series of bomb explosions in Russia which are blamed on
Chechen extremists.

--Dec. 31, 1999: Yeltsin resigns, Putin becomes acting President.

--May 12, 2000: Igor Domnikov, a newspaper special-projects editor who
reported on corruption in the Russian oil industry, is hit in the
head and left lying unconscious in a pool of blood in his apartment
building.

--July 26, 2000: Sergey Novikov, owner of an independent radio station
that often criticized the provincial government, is shot four times
in his apartment building in Smolensk

--Sept. 21, 2000: Iskandar Khatloni, a reporter for the Tajik-language
service of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, is attacked in his
apartment by an ax-wielding assailant.

--Oct. 3, 2000: Sergey Ivanov, director of an independent television
company, is shot five times in the head and chest in front of his
apartment building.

--Nov. 21, 2000: Adam Tepsurgayev, a cameraman who covered the Chechen
war, is shot dead.

--April 29, 2002: Valery Ivanov, editor-in-chief of a newspaper that
exposed government corruption, is shot eight times in the head at
point-blank range outside of his home.

--Aug. 21, 2002: Vladimir Golovlyov, a leader of the Liberal Russia
faction in the lower house of Parliament, is shot dead in Moscow.

--April 17, 2003: Sergei Yushenkov, a member of the lower house of
Russia's Parliament and an outspoken critic of Putin, is shot to
death outside of his Moscow apartment.

--June 2003: Russian Government cites financial reasons for axing last
remaining nationwide independent TV channel.

--July 3, 2003: Yuri Shchekochikhin, a vocal opposition journalist,
dies after falling ill with a mysterious disease.

--June 19, 2004: Nikolai Girenko, a prominent human rights defender, is
shot dead in his home in St. Petersburg.

--July 9, 2004: Paul Klebnikov, the first editor of Forbes magazine's
Russian edition, is shot dead as he leaves his Moscow office.

--Sept. 14, 2006: Andrei Kozlov, the First Deputy Chairman of Russia's
Central Bank who shut down banks accused of corruption, dies after
he was shot outside of a Moscow sports arena.

--Oct. 7, 2006: Anna Politkovskaya, a journalist and fierce critic of
the Kremlin, is shot and killed in her Moscow apartment building.

--Nov. 23, 2006: Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB officer who was
critical of Putin, died after being poisoned with radioactive
polonium-210.

--March 2, 2007: Ivan Safronov, a journalist who embarrassed the
country's military establishment with a series of exclusive
stories, is found dead outside of his home.

--July 15, 2007: Marina Pisareva, deputy head of Bertelsmann AG's
Russian publishinghouse, is found stabbed to death in her home west
of Moscow.

--Aug. 2008: Russia invades Georgia; Medvedev signs an order
recognizing the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two
breakaway regions in Georgia.

--Aug. 31, 2008: Magomed Yevloyev, owner of a popular news site that
reported on human rights, dies from a gunshot wound to the head
sustained while in police custody.

--Nov. 2008: Russian Parliament votes overwhelmingly in favor of a bill
that would extend the next President's term of office from 4 to 6
years.

--Jan. 19, 2009: Stanslav Markelov, a human rights lawyer, and
Anastasia Barburova, a young journalism student, are shot dead
midday on a busy Moscow street.

--April 2009: Vyacheslav Yaroshenko, an editor at the newspaper
Corruption and Crime, is beaten outside of his home; he passed away
from his injuries weeks later.

--July 15, 2009: Natalia Estemirova, a prominent human rights
journalist, is abducted from her home in Chechnya and shot dead.

--Nov. 16, 2009: Sergei Magnitsky, a lawyer who was jailed in revenge
for his uncovering of massive tax fraud, dies in prison; Olga
Kotovskaya, a TV journalist who critically reported on government
leaders, dies after falling from a window.

--Dec. 15, 2011: Gadzhimurad Kamalov, founder and publisher of a
Dagestani newspaper known for its editorial independence, is gunned
down outside of his office.

--March 23, 2013: Boris Berezovsky, once the richest of the so-called
oligarchs who dominated post-Soviet Russia and a close ally of
Yeltsin who helped install Putin as President, is mysteriously
found dead in his home outside of London.

--July 9, 2013: Akhmednabi Akhmednabiev, deputy chief editor of a
Dagestani newspaper, dies after sustaining multiple gunshot wounds.

--Dec. 2013-Feb. 2014: Amidst large proreform protests in Ukraine,
Putin offers to purchase $15 billion of Ukraine's debt and to
reduce the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine. Violent
protests flare, and by 2/22/2014 Yanukovych had fled Keiv.

--March 2014: President Putin signs a law formalizing Russia's takeover
of Crimea from Ukraine.

--May 11, 2014: Pro-Russian separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk declare
independence after unrecognized referendums.

--July 17, 2014: Malaysian flight MH17 is shot down and crashes near
the town of Torez in Ukraine's Donetsk region; 298 people die.

--July 31, 2014: Timur Kuashev, a journalist critical of Russian policy
in Ukraine, goes missing and is later found dead.

--Sept. 5, 2014: Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels sign a truce in Minsk.

--Nov. 5, 2014: Alexei Devotchenko, a popular Russian actor and
opposition activist, dies in unclear circumstances.

--Jan. 24, 2015: Russian-backed rebels launch an offensive in Mariupol,
Ukraine, killing 30 people and wounding 102 others.

--Feb. 11-12, 2015: Germany and France broker Minsk II cease-fire
between Russia and Ukraine.

--Feb. 19, 2015: Ukrainian soldiers retreat from Debaltseve after 13
are killed and 157 wounded.

--Feb. 27, 2015: Boris Nemtsov, a prominent critic of Putin's war in
Ukraine and a former Deputy Prime Minister under Yeltsin, is shot
in the back four times by an unidentified attacker in a car as he
crossed a bridge near the Kremlin."
That's just a partial list and doesn't cover events past 2015, Putin is a murdering bastard and it's been known for years. His next move to hold power will be mass arrests and executions with government purges.

He needs Zelenskiy dead ASAP, because every day he lives and every medal he collects on his VICTORY tour, will humiliate Vlad and remind others of his blunders. How he failed to invade a much smaller and weaker fellow Slavic country right next door, destroyed Russia's economy, future and military. How will he explain revolution or political change in Russian speaking Belarus and Russian troops fighting there to the folks back home? A lot of Russian prisoners in Ukraine and generals in The Hague will be a PR disaster for him, even at home. If the Ukrainians treat them well and pay them from Vlad's money clean up rubble, it will piss him off even more. Happy days are over for Vlad, by the time the ground dries out enough to get off the roads in Ukraine, he should be broke by many estimates.
 
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