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Roger A. Shrubber

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Kremlin TV Descends Into Screaming Match Over Putin’s War Failures
As Russia’s war against Ukraine enters its second month, the grim picture of destruction and suffering is breaking through on state-controlled television. Before the invasion, military experts predicted a rapid takeover of Russia’s peaceful neighbor in a matter of minutes. Now that the reality is starting to set in, they’re grimly surmising that it will take several decades to subdue freedom-loving Ukraine.

State TV’s talking heads have tried in vain to paint a rosy picture of the Kremlin’s invasion, but the cracks are starting to show. On Thursday, with screens depicting dramatic images of demolished Mariupol flashing behind them, hosts of the state television show 60 Minutes, Olga Skabeeva and Evgeny Popov, tried to point out the “positives.” They noted that Russia promised to pay compensation to some Ukrainians from the “affected” territories—10,000 rubles each, amounting to a mere $100 dollars.

To make matters worse, Ukrainians forcefully deported to Russia might end up in places like the Russian island of Sakhalin in the Pacific, with freezing cold temperatures and stark landscapes. After discussing news reports about ongoing relocations, Evgeny Popov helpfully pointed out: “But in Sakhalin, the salaries are the highest in the country!”


The chorus of concerned voices in Russian state media blamed their country’s information war failures on the fact that the Kremlin’s propaganda channels have been banished in Ukraine. State TV pundit Nikolai Starikov proposed: “When we talk about the organizers of the info-war, I’m convinced that their place is on the same bench where Nazi criminals will be tried.” The hosts, who for years agitated for war against Ukraine under false pretenses, nervously looked on without commenting.

State Duma Deputy Gen. Vladimir Shamanov—who is the former commander of the Russian Airborne Troops—accused the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky of being a “war criminal” for not surrendering to Russia. Shamanov argued: “He has the right to say, “Stop this war,” lay down the arms and save all the people.” This bizarre upside-down narrative is meant to hide the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin, seen by the civilized world as a war criminal, is solely responsible for starting and continuing his unprovoked invasion of a neighboring country.

Political analyst Vitaly Tretyakov concluded: “The situation is serious... We have to admit that there was no psychological breakthrough in our operation, where the opposing side would lose their will to resist... The resistance from the Ukrainian side is neither stopping nor weakening.” Tretyakov pointed out that despite the Russian media’s attempted depictions of Zelensky as a drug addict, he is being perceived by the West as a leader of a country that has been attacked. He also questioned the wisdom of “liberating” Ukrainians who don’t seem to want to be “liberated” and vehemently hate seeing the Russian troops on their territory. Tretyakov noted the unwavering determination of Western leaders to “squeeze” the Russian economy by imposing punishing sanctions.

Host Olga Skabeeva was visibly rattled by the depressing realities brought to the forefront by Tretyakov’s comments. She sniped, “So you sprinkled the ashes all over your head, but what do we do now? What’s our plan? Everything is bad, nothing is working out?” Skabeeva angrily questioned whether Tretyakov had anything to offer aside from criticism. After he pointed out that societies tend to get tired of any military campaigns rather quickly, Skabeeva argued, “If you’re tired, that doesn't mean that everyone else is tired.” Visibly angered, she repeatedly shouted at Tretyakov, questioning his support for the Russian military and telling the pundit that his commentary “has a smell of something untoward.”

If Skabeeva was counting on other pundits to lighten the mood in the studio, she was sorely mistaken. Military experts proceeded to hammer additional nails into the coffin of popular delusions about the anticipated outcome of Putin’s war against Ukraine. On Thursday, military expert Igor Korotchenko called for any protests to be stopped by military force and any vocal opponents of the Russian armed forces to be “interned.” Korotchenko called for all Ukrainian flags and symbols to be destroyed, replaced by Russian and Soviet flags. He also demanded that Ukrainians who fled to NATO countries be denied the possibility of returning to their country.

In January, experts on the same show estimated that Russia could overtake the entire neighboring country in a matter of 11 minutes. Their current predictions have shifted from minutes to decades for the Russian armed forces to achieve Putin’s goals in his senseless war against Ukraine.

Korotchenko surmised, “It’s obvious that the process of denazification of Ukraine will take the minimum of 15-20 years.” He predicted that the Russian troops would have to remain on Ukrainian territory, with the Russian military in charge of the entire country for the foreseeable future: “Whether this will take 15, 20 years or more, time will tell.”

General Shamanov was even more pessimistic, as he grimly anticipated that it would take the “re-education” of at least two generations of Ukrainians before they would welcome or tolerate Russia’s dominance. He also noted that Russia’s one-million-man armed forces aren’t enough to meet such a challenge, calling for massive increases to the country’s military might. Shamalov concluded: “Today, it can be clearly predicted that we will have to remain in Ukraine for 30-40 years.”
they're coming apart at the seams...they need 15 to 20 years to "denazify" Ukraine, but they only have the men and equipment for another month or two at best...this is the time for Ukraine to go on the offensive, and kick the fucking russians in the teeth, hard.
Send their army back home, many of them in body bags...let putin and his generals explain that to the russian people
 

DIY-HP-LED

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they're coming apart at the seams...they need 15 to 20 years to "denazify" Ukraine, but they only have the men and equipment for another month or two at best...this is the time for Ukraine to go on the offensive, and kick the fucking russians in the teeth, hard.
Send their army back home, many of them in body bags...let putin and his generals explain that to the russian people
It's shit like that, that causes people to look for alternative sources of news and they are, if they want to find out. I mean people can put Russian language news YouTube video on their phones and share them with their parents when they have had enough bullshit. There are still a million ways of getting information about the war into Russia, there are 128 Gigabyte memory cards that fit in phones they can put anywhere and they hold weeks worth western TV or other video content. This is the 21st century, Vlad thinks he's in the last one, it is the information age after all.
 

printer

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It's shit like that, that causes people to look for alternative sources of news and they are, if they want to find out. I mean people can put Russian language news YouTube video on their phones and share them with their parents when they have had enough bullshit. There are still a million ways of getting information about the war into Russia, there are 128 Gigabyte memory cards that fit in phones they can put anywhere and they hold weeks worth western TV or other video content. This is the 21st century, Vlad thinks he's in the last one, it is the information age after all.
Fakes.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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They still have YouTube in Russia FFS!
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State Of Dissent In Russia

As Russia gets hit with sanctions and deals with major military losses, President Putin is complaining the country is being “cancelled.” Vladimir Askurkov, with Alexei Navalny's Anti-Corruption Foundation in Russia, weighs in.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Many will say that, like in America, but in America, things sailed on as before, there wasn't sudden censorship imposed and the bottom didn't fall out of the economy, while being shunned by the world. Trump's supporters didn't see the buying power of the salaries and pensions cut in half and empty store shelves in a month and in two months it will be much worse. Not just the powerless will want to know what is really going on, many of the powerful and midlevel government people will want to know why their lives have tuned to shit and their kids and grand kids are freaking out.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Putin Reportedly Suspects Betrayal From Within His Inner Circle

Andrei Soldatov, an investigative journalist with expertise in the Russian state intelligence apparatus, talks about reporting that Vladimir Putin is looking for who leaked the secret intelligence about the invasion of Ukraine that the U.S. made public in the lead up to the war.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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CIA Veteran: Putin's Mistakes In Ukraine Could Help U.S. Intel Agencies

MSNBC's Alex Wagner speaks to former CIA operations officer Douglas London about the possibility of the U.S. intelligence agencies recruiting new spies because of Vladimir Putin's bungled invasion of Ukraine.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ya know, all the leaking out of Russia and the Kremlin, reminds me of all the leaking out of the Trump Whitehouse! Tells ya something methinks, so does the social division that is rapidly increasing.
 

Friendly_Grower

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The Great President of the USA (Trump Services Putin) is making a great speech in Poland and is addressing the World!

Sadly the Russians have bombed either a fuel depot or a weapons depot or both.

Perhaps it's time to hire the Cartels of Mexico to go dig some tunnels. They have the skill and ability.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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It's shit like that, that causes people to look for alternative sources of news and they are, if they want to find out. I mean people can put Russian language news YouTube video on their phones and share them with their parents when they have had enough bullshit. There are still a million ways of getting information about the war into Russia, there are 128 Gigabyte memory cards that fit in phones they can put anywhere and they hold weeks worth western TV or other video content. This is the 21st century, Vlad thinks he's in the last one, it is the information age after all.
i, and at least a few others on this forum, have had problems with relatives here in the US buying into Qanon, magat bullshit, and when you try to tell them that they're wrong, the get upset. doesn't matetr how gently you try to tell them, once that shit sets hooks in their thought patterns, it's like fucking surgery to get them out. i've basically "lost" a couple of fairly good friends, and i know others here have had problems with their parents, aunts, uncles...
so it's not as simple as showing them a few western news broadcasts on their phones...i've done a lot more than that, and still wasn't believed, by people who had easy access to the truth if they wanted to see it. we're talking about people in russia who haven't had the same access, who have lived their whole lives listening to the state propaganda...they won't hear the truth, they'll just hear "western propaganda"
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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They still have YouTube in Russia FFS!
State Of Dissent In Russia

As Russia gets hit with sanctions and deals with major military losses, President Putin is complaining the country is being “cancelled.” Vladimir Askurkov, with Alexei Navalny's Anti-Corruption Foundation in Russia, weighs in.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/24/russia-blocks-google-news/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL-VNLFhTwqAVUiSF9d-kFGUz1BpGx45FI5X0YoJImetIFJRDYVa5zqRRGTCeYz0brAYfBNCVMOl3J-ejbpEo7XID1NAG962dHHvOCjn5ziHX2kfBFrMi7HPdl3dhg_RFfRAUB7XrY-NbuvXFqtchro6xfYL64-FsJPIUrwxPuEg
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like it's gonna be a long hot summer of discontent in Russia as the economy collapses in the spring. If these guys are right, the Russians are fucked and so is Vlad, people will be hungry by summer and hungry people don't stay home, they go out looking for food, at least in the summer. What they say does make sense from what I can see.

Vlad never dreamed he would fuck himself so badly and the Russians never thought he would fuck them as badly and so quickly as they have been. It will not go down well with most by the beginning of June when the shit really hits the fan.
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Probable date of the default in Russia. Deficits, inflation, unemployment are already visible


The blocking of reserves, the risk of losing income from the energy sales, and the withdrawal of large companies from the market. The country is suffering huge losses on the economic front.
“The payments are going on now, accordingly, some debt repayments in foreign currency are being made, but this will last only until May”, - Ilya Neskhodovsky, Director of the Institute of Social and Economic Transformation said.
Starting that time, investors will not be able to receive interest, dividends or repayments on the debt and assets of the Central Bank, the National Wealth Fund and the Ministry of Finance of Russia. Devaluation, inflation, unemployment - these and other consequences of the default are already visible in the economy of Russia.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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i, and at least a few others on this forum, have had problems with relatives here in the US buying into Qanon, magat bullshit, and when you try to tell them that they're wrong, the get upset. doesn't matetr how gently you try to tell them, once that shit sets hooks in their thought patterns, it's like fucking surgery to get them out. i've basically "lost" a couple of fairly good friends, and i know others here have had problems with their parents, aunts, uncles...
so it's not as simple as showing them a few western news broadcasts on their phones...i've done a lot more than that, and still wasn't believed, by people who had easy access to the truth if they wanted to see it. we're talking about people in russia who haven't had the same access, who have lived their whole lives listening to the state propaganda...they won't hear the truth, they'll just hear "western propaganda"
I'm talking about what happens when their lives are destroyed and they are literally hungry by June. Nothing gets Your attention like when someone has their hands on your wallet, unless they also have a hand on yer nuts. He better give his internal security police a big raise and arrange for their families to live in protected places with special access to groceries.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Well the fellow in the video from last night, said they still had Youtube. Russians might not get paid for content, or ads, but apparently regular Russians can still see YouTube videos, according to the Russian anti corruption guy. If they do have access, people are recording shit from it, because they don't expect it to last, short of a VPN. Once resistance becomes popular and discontent widespread among the youth and others who are living like shit, you will be surprised at what they will come up with. If you thought the 60's was something, Putin's internal police aren't that blooded and slaughtering thousands on red (Pushkin?) square ain't an option. It's gonna be a long fucking hot summer in Russia I think.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I'm talking about what happens when their lives are destroyed and they are literally hungry by June. Nothing gets Your attention like when someone has their hands on your wallet, unless they also have a hand on yer nuts. He better give his internal security police a big raise and arrange for their families to live in protected places with special access to groceries.
every minute between now and then, putin will be waging a misinformation campaign on his own people, and the focus of it will be "all our problems are the fault of the EU and the US", as far as a lot of russian citizens are concerned, putin can still do no wrong, and the west is an evil aggressor state that wants to destroy russia
there are still people here who think trump had an election stolen from him...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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every minute between now and then, putin will be waging a misinformation campaign on his own people, and the focus of it will be "all our problems are the fault of the EU and the US", as far as a lot of russian citizens are concerned, putin can still do no wrong, and the west is an evil aggressor state that wants to destroy russia
there are still people here who think trump had an election stolen from him...
30% will buy it and more almost, but those against him will be a majority and a small percentage of them will be radical. If Ukraine succeeds, it will be everything Russia should have been and more in a few years, they will need a fence to keep the Russian economic refugees out. Even if they get rid of Vlad and have another democratic revolution, too much damage has been done already, they are fucked for a generation.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i, and at least a few others on this forum, have had problems with relatives here in the US buying into Qanon, magat bullshit, and when you try to tell them that they're wrong, the get upset. doesn't matetr how gently you try to tell them, once that shit sets hooks in their thought patterns, it's like fucking surgery to get them out. i've basically "lost" a couple of fairly good friends, and i know others here have had problems with their parents, aunts, uncles...
so it's not as simple as showing them a few western news broadcasts on their phones...i've done a lot more than that, and still wasn't believed, by people who had easy access to the truth if they wanted to see it. we're talking about people in russia who haven't had the same access, who have lived their whole lives listening to the state propaganda...they won't hear the truth, they'll just hear "western propaganda"
The recent American experience has been instructive and holds true for most older Russians at this time, but cracks are appearing in Russian society already. In a couple of months the place should explode and be on fire all summer long after the economy collapses and Vlad loses very badly in Ukraine. Nothing motivates high morale Troops like victory and being on a roll, it often means rolling up large enemy forces and capturing lot's of prisoners, it leads to aggressive behavior by troops and officers against the enemy, taking risks for spectacular results.
 

printer

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China is close to Russia, but it has looked to Ukraine for military technology
  • Former Soviet republic supplied the PLA Navy’s first aircraft carrier, missile systems and a fighter jet prototype
  • ‘Beijing wants technologies, and Ukraine … successfully cooperated in this direction,’ ex-defence official says
China has become a close ally of Russia, and is seen by some as tacitly backing Moscow’s war in Ukraine. But China also has strong economic and defence ties with Ukraine – it is the eastern European nation’s biggest trading partner, and Kyiv helped Beijing to modernise its military.

In recent decades, the former Soviet republic has sold key military equipment and technology to China, including its first aircraft carrier, missile systems and a fighter jet prototype. According to a former Ukrainian defence official, those transactions helped ease the country’s financial troubles.
It started with the biggest and most significant deal – for an unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier called the Varyag. The vessel was about two-thirds built at a Black Sea shipyard when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3171892/china-close-russia-it-has-looked-ukraine-military-technology
 
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