War

[Moflow]

I read something a couple of weeks ago that Poland wanted to off load their old Migs because they cost a fortune in upkeep and maintenance costs and wanted the more modern American jets.

According to Polish government accounts, that country’s MiG-29s are flyable but need a lot of maintenance, the engines being particularly unreliable. Poland’s statement did not mention spare engines nor whether any compatible ordnance for the jets would be provided.

Another example of a plane that doesn’t come cheap? The most famous aircraft that is currently flying, the Air Force one – the Boeing 747-200 or VC-25A. It costs not less than USD 206,337 per hour in the air according to the Freedom of information Act (FOIA). According to Judicial Watch

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

It's going to be a lot harder to push them out of the south and east than it was the north. Shorter supply lines, more troops, better troops. Plus a lot of shit is being dropped from planes flying in from Russia. I think the war is going to grind on for months before there is much movement. Ukraine will be forced into hitting airfields in Russia, or trying to.

Depending on how they do it driving them from the south might not be too big an issue, if they trap them between Kherson and Mariupol. If they break though at Kherson they might be able to block the Russians trying to retreat into Crimea and I figure Vlad has nothing there, it's all been deployed in Ukraine, blow Vlad's big bridge over the Kerch straight and Vlad is cut off from Crimea and whatever is there is trapped. If those cut off forces surrender in the south, then they can concentrate overwhelming force onto the east. The national guard reservists can hold the defensive positions in other areas like the north and north east while the army works over the enemy one front at a time in offensive operations.

 

[cannabineer]

"Special technical response could be assumed to be cyber,so I get your assumption, but this could also include chem,bio,thermo-baric,and of course the dreaded tact.nuke,I'm telling everybody,if this guy has his back to the wall anything is possible,do you think the West would go eye for eye and detonate a nuke somewhere in Russia if he were to do one in some town in Ukraine? I'm not so sure we'd want to do a tit for tat type thing as it could easily escalate,which is the reason our response has been so measured and judging Russian restraint and comm. and control in this fiasco has been underwhelming to say the least,it's not a road to go down and in general I wouldn't want to inflict that horror on reg. Russian people by getting in a pecker measuring contest w/a unhinged little dictator w/Napolean complex.

Fuel-air bombs don’t belong in the category wmd.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Guess what, you can use disposable grenade and anti tank rockets from a light plane these days too, or remote control one with FPV to do it and crash into the bastards for a finally with a hundred pounds of plastic explosive aboard. Innovation never started in this war!
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‘Bazooka Charlie’ Turned his WWII Recon Plane Into a Tank Killer

Bazooka Charlie did not want to just spot enemy tanks, he wanted to destroy them.

nationalinterest.org

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Analysis shows how Putin's flawed decisions are similar to the ones that led to Hitler's demise

While Russian President Vladamir Putin believes he's made the right call by invading Ukraine, one analysis is explaining why that may not be the case. CNN analyst John Blake recently penned a detailed assessment of Hitler's downfall.Pointing to historical timelines, history professors are...

www.rawstory.com

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

'Punishment from above': Hobby pilots build Ukraine's drone fleet

At a secret location in the Ukraine city of Lviv, the windows taped up to ward off unwanted attention, underground hobbyists improvise deadly drones bound for the front line of the war against Russia.On a cluttered table the x-shaped frame of one drone stands among bundles of plastic propellers...

www.rawstory.com

'Punishment from above': Hobby pilots build Ukraine's drone fleet


At a secret location in the Ukraine city of Lviv, the windows taped up to ward off unwanted attention, underground hobbyists improvise deadly drones bound for the front line of the war against Russia.

 

[printer]

Fuel-air bombs don’t belong in the category wmd.

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110439335-017/pdf

The problem is Russia probably has more experience with them and if Ukraine goes down that road Russia is sure to follow. Not that I feel Russia is holding back do to humanitarian sensibilities.

 

[cannabineer]

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110439335-017/pdf

The problem is Russia probably has more experience with them and if Ukraine goes down that road Russia is sure to follow. Not that I feel Russia is holding back do to humanitarian sensibilities.

Thermobarics are a type of fuel-air bomb.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110439335-017/pdf

The problem is Russia probably has more experience with them and if Ukraine goes down that road Russia is sure to follow. Not that I feel Russia is holding back do to humanitarian sensibilities.

Ukraine has them too, captured from the Russians and they can fire them at Russian cities in retaliation for strikes on Ukrainian ones and when they run out we can give them something better. We cannot allow him to sit behind his borders and torment Ukraine for years with random missile strikes on cities, retaliate every time on Russian cities in kind and make it hurt real bad. If he uses tactical nukes then give Ukraine chemical weapons to blanket his cities with them on rockets, up the stakes, escalate in lock step and more. Cops always escalate when they want to stop shit and we have to act like cops with Vlad and take it nearly to the next level, but not quite. War crimes are off the table when retaliating for other war crimes, there is no international police force.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Starving the brainwashed to death is one way of solving the problem I suppose. Get used to cabbage and potatoes, if they can get any. Just have faith in the great leader and Russian Foxnews to tell you the truth and not lead you to abject poverty, starvation and death. All those old pensioners are gonna be hungry, but won't blame Vlad, they would send them their money, if they had any and eat cat food, if there was any of that too. Just like a Foxnews viewer with covid, or a TV preacher sucking the last dime from the poor to pay for his mansion. With most people you just need to control the information they receive to control them, using their own emotions and fears against them.

So what is it gonna be like in six months inside Russia? North Korea? They imported almost all their groceries from Europe and are as useless as the Saudi's for making things themselves, depending on oil to buy what they need. Imagine going into your local grocery store and finding this? All your favorite things to eat gone, especially if you are young and used to it.
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Stunning images inside Russian grocery store show dire situation

CNN's Matthew Chance reports on the economic situation inside Russia after Western nations imposed crippling economic sanctions in retaliation for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[cannabineer]

Ukraine has them too, captured from the Russians and they can fire them at Russian cities in retaliation for strikes on Ukrainian ones and when they run out we can give them something better. We cannot allow him to sit behind his borders and torment Ukraine for years with random missile strikes on cities, retaliate every time on Russian cities in kind and make it hurt real bad. If he uses tactical nukes the give Ukraine chemical weapons to blanket his cities with them on rockets, up the stakes escalate in lock step and more. Cops always escalate when they want to stop shit and we have to act like cops with Vlad and take it nearly to the next level, but not quite. War crimes are off the table when retaliating for other war crimes, there is no international police force.

Nix the chemical weapons. If he goes nuclear, respond in kind. The B-61 has a 0.3 kt and 1.5 kt fuzing option. One of those in the right place (like this Putin property) might have the right effect.

If he escalates, it’s time to break out the attack subs and wipe out their submarine navy, with emphasis on the missile boats.

Next is down every single military aircraft and strip him of any warfighting capability that isn’t in the mud.

For NATO, the moral high ground is a valuable resource. It is imperative to minimize harm to civilian Russia. So I would not select the usual bomber general’s gambit of wearing down infrastructure such as rail and power.

If Putin takes it nuclear, all Russian territory south of the 50th parallel should go to Ukraine (or something as serious) in the Nuremberg-type proceedings that are the consequence of his war of aggression. Ukraine will have a border with Kazakhstan and a considerable amount of Russia’s current fossil fuel reserves.

Forgot the pic! 1.5 kt airburst oughtta do.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Nix the chemical weapons. If he goes nuclear, respond in kind. The B-61 has a 0.3 kt and 1.5 kt fuzing option. One of those in the right place (like this Putin property) might have the right effect.

If he escalates, it’s time to break out the attack subs and wipe out their submarine navy, with emphasis on the missile boats.

Next is down every single military aircraft and strip him of any warfighting capability that isn’t in the mud.

For NATO, the moral high ground is a valuable resource. It is imperative to minimize harm to civilian Russia. So I would not select the usual bomber general’s gambit of wearing down infrastructure such as rail and power.

If Putin takes it nuclear, all Russian territory south of the 50th parallel should go to Ukraine (or something as serious) in the Nuremberg-type proceedings that are the consequence of his war of aggression. Ukraine will have a border with Kazakhstan and a considerable amount of Russia’s current fossil fuel reserves.

The British made chemical weapons during WW2, made a film about the factory and sent it to the Germans as a warning. They never used chemical weapons, even late in the war, by then the British could rain them down from the sky with bombers over German cities. There are no international police, retaliation is the only justice and deterrent, whatever the response it must be painful enough to get their attention and prevent repeats.

 

[cannabineer]

The British made chemical weapons during WW2, made a film about the factory and sent it to the Germans as a warning. They never used chemical weapons, even late in the war, by then the British could rain them down from the sky with bombers over German cities. There are no international police, retaliation is the only justice and deterrent, whatever the response it must be painful enough to get their attention and prevent repeats.

I consider them to be more harm than good. Please reread my section on the moral high ground.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Fuel-air bombs don’t belong in the category wmd.

i'm not sure, they don't do massive structural damage, but they burn a lot of shit, and will kill a lot of people by suffocation, if they don't get burned to death in the initial blast...will it level city blocks? no, but it will burn anything flammable in the immediate vicinity, and suffocate anyone close by...nasty enough no matter what you classify it as...fire a barrage of them into an urban area and it would be a hellscape of fire and corpses

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I consider them to be more harm than good. Please reread my section on the moral high ground.

If you are dead, you are dead, makes little difference how you get there. I agree about chemical weapons being banned, but like nukes, when they are used, it gives license to those it is used against to retaliate in kind. Sometimes war simply means killing enough civilians, not soldiers, it's the method the Russians are currently using. Moral high ground is one thing survival another and if the Russians use weapons of mass destruction first then Ukraine still retains the moral high ground while retaliating in kind. If Vlad used a tactical nuke on Kyiv as a parting shot, then I can assure you the Ukrainians will figure out a way to make him and Russia to pay for it dearly. Besides what the west will do and they might have to do more than they want to keep Ukrainian from striking Moscow with drone attacks on the Kremlin or thermobaric weapons being used to level it. Moscow is pretty close to the Ukrainian border and a couple of MIG 29s could drop several tons of bombs on it, if the pilots didn't mind a one way trip and there would be many volunteers.

 

[cannabineer]

i'm not sure, they don't do massive structural damage, but they burn a lot of shit, and will kill a lot of people by suffocation, if they don't get burned to death in the initial blast...will it level city blocks? no, but it will burn anything flammable in the immediate vicinity, and suffocate anyone close by...nasty enough no matter what you classify it as...fire a barrage of them into an urban area and it would be a hellscape of fire and corpses

Your facts are mostly correct, but classifying them as wmd would be politically unwise.

There are plenty of unethical weapons that are not wmd but still contravene the Geneva Protocols. Thermobarics can go on the museum shelf next to the expanding bullet and the recently-proscribed cluster bomb.

 

[cannabineer]

If you are dead, you are dead, makes little difference how you get there. I agree about chemical weapons being banned, but like nukes, when they are used, it gives license to those it is used against to retaliate in kind. Sometimes war simply means killing enough civilians, not soldiers, it's the method the Russians are currently using. Moral high ground is one thing survival another and if the Russians use weapons of mass destruction first then Ukraine still retains the moral high ground while retaliating in kind. If Vlad used a tactical nuke on Kyiv as a parting shot, then I can assure you the Ukrainians will figure out a way to make him and Russia to pay for it dearly. Besides what the west will do and they might have to do more than they want to keep Ukrainian from striking Moscow with drone attacks on the Kremlin or thermobaric weapons being used to level it. Moscow is pretty close to the Ukrainian border and a couple of MIG 29s could drop several tons of bombs on it, if the pilots didn't mind a one way trip and there would be many volunteers.

Are you not reading my posts? I treated of this extensively earlier today. For someone who feels compelled to state and restate his every opinion in thousand-word monologues, you give zero attention to those of others.

I have attempted to have a dialogue with you. But your indifference to the opinions of others while you shower us with yours begins to explain to me why people here generally leave your content alone. The hypocrisy is tiring.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I don't think they have to troops or combat power to take the east of Ukraine, it is oil and gas rich and is the primary energy source in the country. The war will not end until Vlad is ejected from all of Ukraine including Crimea, Vlad doesn't get to make the call on wen it ends until he withdraws and ceases hostilities. Ukraine and NATO will bleed him white until he does while breaking his bank. This war is going to end badly for Russia, I've heard enough of their supposed military might waiting in the wings. The numbers just don't add up for Vlad on any level and there is now a mathematical certainty about this war.

 

[printer]

Thermobarics are a type of fuel-air bomb.

Yes I know. I thought the link might be of interest.

Ukraine has them too, captured from the Russians and they can fire them at Russian cities in retaliation for strikes on Ukrainian ones and when they run out we can give them something better.

And you have proof that the Ukrainians have them rather than capturing a used launcher? Also using the weapon is not banned to use against military targets but is against civilian?

Besides what the west will do and they might have to do more than they want to keep Ukrainian from striking Moscow with drone attacks on the Kremlin or thermobaric weapons being used to level it. Moscow is pretty close to the Ukrainian border and a couple of MIG 29s could drop several tons of bombs on it, if the pilots didn't mind a one way trip and there would be many volunteers.

Again you know a lot of what the Ukrainians have and the capability of the rockets. By the way, what are the capability of the rockets? They seem rather large to strap to the bottom of a fighter. Also I would guess Russia would unload their whole arsenal on Ukraine if it mad an existential threat on the country. Wait, that was to use nukes if there was an existential threat on Russia.