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[DIY-HP-LED]

Are you not reading my posts? I treated of this extensively earlier today. For someone who feels compelled to state and restate his every opinion in thousand-word monologues, you give zero attention to those of others.

I have attempted to have a dialogue with you. But your indifference to the opinions of others while you shower us with yours begins to explain to me why people here generally leave your content alone. The hypocrisy is tiring.

I read your posts and I'm allowed to disagree with your opinions, as you are allowed to disagree with mine. I use the platform to practice writing and to get ideas down. I post many news stories that are open to discussion and attack ideas, not people. What I write here and the ideas developed is of no importance really, others have already thought it up. if you want to debate a moral and ethical issue I'm up for it too. WMD is a moral and ethical issue as well of one of international law, we should always seek higher ground.

I can write a thousand words or one liners as required.

 

[cannabineer]

Yes I know. I thought the link might be of interest.


And you have proof that the Ukrainians have them rather than capturing a used launcher? Also using the weapon is not banned to use against military targets but is against civilian?

Again you know a lot of what the Ukrainians have and the capability of the rockets. By the way, what are the capability of the rockets? They seem rather large to strap to the bottom of a fighter. Also I would guess Russia would unload their whole arsenal on Ukraine if it mad an existential threat on the country. Wait, that was to use nukes if there was an existential threat on Russia.

Sadly, the existential threat to Russia is its Führer.

I read your posts and I'm allowed to disagree with your opinions, as you are allowed to disagree with mine. I use the platform to practice writing and to get ideas down. I post many news stories that are open to discussion and attack ideas, not people. What I write here and the ideas developed is of no importance really, others have already thought it up. if you want to debate a moral and ethical issue I'm up for it too. WMD is a moral and ethical issue as well of one of international law, we should always seek higher ground.

I can write a thousand words or one liners as required.

Disagreeing is engaging. You quote, then write something not germane. That isn’t engaging. Serial monologue is not dialogue.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Analysis shows how Putin's flawed decisions are similar to the ones that led to Hitler's demise

While Russian President Vladamir Putin believes he's made the right call by invading Ukraine, one analysis is explaining why that may not be the case. CNN analyst John Blake recently penned a detailed assessment of Hitler's downfall.Pointing to historical timelines, history professors are...

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i have no idea if this is right or not, but i think he may have thyroid cancer, and knows he doesn't have long to live...
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-visited-cancer-surgeon-dozens-112724988.html
there isn't a lot of confirmation to any of this, but it seems to make enough sense to me to be plausible.
he is 70 years old, and any kind of cancer at that age isn't something you can just shrug off, radiation or chemo therapy take their own toll, and he probably doesn't want to submit to it, as it would become obvious he was ill.
i realize this has been suggested before, but it seems to become more likely to me as time passes.
most of the time thyroid cancer is pretty treatable, but as i said before, he is 70 years old, usually under a large amount of pressure, and seems to have a fair dose of paranoia...
i don't know...it's something to think about

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Yes I know. I thought the link might be of interest.


And you have proof that the Ukrainians have them rather than capturing a used launcher? Also using the weapon is not banned to use against military targets but is against civilian?

Again you know a lot of what the Ukrainians have and the capability of the rockets. By the way, what are the capability of the rockets? They seem rather large to strap to the bottom of a fighter. Also I would guess Russia would unload their whole arsenal on Ukraine if it mad an existential threat on the country. Wait, that was to use nukes if there was an existential threat on Russia.

Your first point, I've seen reports of these being captured intact and I believe other NATO allies might have them, they have been around for awhile, too lazy to Google.

The second point is the fighters would carry dumb bombs and go low level with decoys on a one way trip, probably ejecting. The Americans did the same thing to prevent the Israelis from Attacking Iraq and expanding the war, they gave them patriots for air defense after Saddam fired scuds into Israel and they were all sealing up their houses with plastic.

I'm just going by what the Ukrainians have available and what they can innovate. If Vlad uses chemicals or nukes on Ukraine, Uncles Sam will have to something real special to prevent revenge on Russia in whatever form.

As for the range of ballistic rockets, it depends on how big they are and I'm not sure about the range of the big thermobaric ones, google I guess. If they had any they could reach a closer population center I'm sure. Most of my experience with rockets comes from building them as a kid, not commercial rocket motors.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Sadly, the existential threat to Russia is its Führer.

Disagreeing is engaging. You quote, then write something not germane. That isn’t engaging. Serial monologue is not dialogue.

Generally, if I don't disagree with you I don't comment or don't argue, but often give a like, when I remember

 

[cannabineer]

i have no idea if this is right or not, but i think he may have thyroid cancer, and knows he doesn't have long to live...
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-visited-cancer-surgeon-dozens-112724988.html
there isn't a lot of confirmation to any of this, but it seems to make enough sense to me to be plausible.
he is 70 years old, and any kind of cancer at that age isn't something you can just shrug off, radiation or chemo therapy take their own toll, and he probably doesn't want to submit to it, as it would become obvious he was ill.
i realize this has been suggested before, but it seems to become more likely to me as time passes.
most of the time thyroid cancer is pretty treatable, but as i said before, he is 70 years old, usually under a large amount of pressure, and seems to have a fair dose of paranoia...
i don't know...it's something to think about

I’ve been thinking along the same lines. He is acting like someone running out of time. This could free him to do something awful for Russia like employ wmd.

What I do not know is what NATO will do as soon as Putin uses a wmd. I’ve opined about it, but I took none of the right courses in college, so I’m just blue-skying.

 

[cannabineer]

Generally, if I don't disagree with you I don't comment or don't argue, but often give a like, when I remember

That is a friendly gesture, but if you have it in you to converse about some of my submissions, that would be well-received.

I like your idea of drowning the Russians in drones. They might waste a lot of weaponry countering the whining biting little parasites.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

i have no idea if this is right or not, but i think he may have thyroid cancer, and knows he doesn't have long to live...
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-visited-cancer-surgeon-dozens-112724988.html
there isn't a lot of confirmation to any of this, but it seems to make enough sense to me to be plausible.
he is 70 years old, and any kind of cancer at that age isn't something you can just shrug off, radiation or chemo therapy take their own toll, and he probably doesn't want to submit to it, as it would become obvious he was ill.
i realize this has been suggested before, but it seems to become more likely to me as time passes.
most of the time thyroid cancer is pretty treatable, but as i said before, he is 70 years old, usually under a large amount of pressure, and seems to have a fair dose of paranoia...
i don't know...it's something to think about

Radioactive expose can cause it, which is why they give iodine as a prophylactic, to keep the radioactive isotopes out. Dunno if the chemo for that makes your hair fall out or not, but a wig would not look good on Vlad! If he's sick and terminal he should retire to his Villa and die in peace, he will be gone before he suffers any consequences from losing power. He has kids and grand kids and appears to care about them, so he might care about a world with out him in it.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

If Putin takes it nuclear, all Russian territory south of the 50th parallel should go to Ukraine (or something as serious) in the Nuremberg-type proceedings that are the consequence of his war of aggression. Ukraine will have a border with Kazakhstan and a considerable amount of Russia’s current fossil fuel reserves.

yup, they can enjoy the glowing animals in the forests as they drill for oil...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I’ve been thinking along the same lines. He is acting like someone running out of time. This could free him to do something awful for Russia like employ wmd.

What I do not know is what NATO will do as soon as Putin uses a wmd. I’ve opined about it, but I took none of the right courses in college, so I’m just blue-skying.

I blue sky here all the time...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Nix the chemical weapons. If he goes nuclear, respond in kind. The B-61 has a 0.3 kt and 1.5 kt fuzing option. One of those in the right place (like this Putin property) might have the right effect.

If he escalates, it’s time to break out the attack subs and wipe out their submarine navy, with emphasis on the missile boats.

Next is down every single military aircraft and strip him of any warfighting capability that isn’t in the mud.

For NATO, the moral high ground is a valuable resource. It is imperative to minimize harm to civilian Russia. So I would not select the usual bomber general’s gambit of wearing down infrastructure such as rail and power.

If Putin takes it nuclear, all Russian territory south of the 50th parallel should go to Ukraine (or something as serious) in the Nuremberg-type proceedings that are the consequence of his war of aggression. Ukraine will have a border with Kazakhstan and a considerable amount of Russia’s current fossil fuel reserves.

If it escalates and Joe's intelligence tells him Vlad is going nuts, his might first strike him. They can do this only targeting his nukes and not cities, they would get it on the second wave if anything got through. That way you control the situation, instead of it running away out of control. Bad idea though and us using nukes would only happen if he used them first and more than one tactical one too. It would be red line and all traffic in the Baltic would be shut down, along with the black sea anybody left trading with them would be in the same boat as them. Along with weapons that could really hurt Russia badly being given to Ukraine. These are some of the things that can be done and they can even include arming Ukraine with nukes or stationing American ones there, right next door to Moscow, instantly in Moscow. Nuke Kyiv and Vlad would not be safe in the Kremlin, even if the Ukrainian government didn't, others would try to kill him and level the place with a 911 attack

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

460km to Moscow from the Russian border, 285 miles for Americans. Now I haven't done the math, but say ya launched a ballistic missile at the Kremlin with a thermobaric weapon and say ya could get her up to say 4000MPH on a ballistic arc and say it took five minutes to get there. It would arrive about the same time Vlad woke up and answered the phone and would be targeted at his apartment. That is why Vlad is worried about Ukraine and should worry more if he levels Kyiv with a tactical nuke or uses chemical weapons. It ain't hard for a nation state to build a stealth drone these days or a fleet of them carrying 1000 KG bombs and programmed to crash into the target. They could arrive at the Kremlin unannounced, the future can hold many possibilities and it might be best not to motivate people to find them.

Vlad needs to think about the future and not just about the long term future either, but the more immediate one. With starlink you can fly a drone down a highway 6 feet off the ground at night, traveling at car speeds using FPV and follow the highway right to Moscow in a convoy of killer drones!

 

[cannabineer]

If it escalates and Joe's intelligence tells him Vlad is going nuts, his might first strike him. They can do this only targeting his nukes and not cities, they would get it on the second wave if anything got through. That way you control the situation, instead of it running away out of control. Bad idea though and us using nukes would only happen if he used them first and more than one tactical one too. It would be red line and all traffic in the Baltic would be shut down, along with the black sea anybody left trading with them would be in the same boat as them. Along with weapons that could really hurt Russia badly being given to Ukraine. These are some of the things that can be done and they can even include arming Ukraine with nukes or stationing American ones there, right next door to Moscow, instantly in Moscow. Nuke Kyiv and Vlad would not be safe in the Kremlin, even if the Ukrainian government didn't, others would try to kill him and level the place with a 911 attack

I don’t think we would base nuclear missiles in Ukraine. In terms of basing, an Ohio in the the Black Sea can reach Moscow 1400 km away in about five minutes. A sub driver with the balls to do that from the White Sea about 1000 km away. The Gulf of Finland is too shallow and narrow, and probably patrolled by several Kilo-class attack subs.

The trouble with the Trident is that the RVs are unguided and so have a cep of ninety to hundreds of meters. A Spirit dropping the current B-62, which is guided, can hit within a meter of selected aim point. This allows many more mission options. There was talk of a nuclear-capable strike bomber variant built on the F-22, but it wasn’t done. The coming B-21 will do much more and with more stealth , payload and range, and the same cost for payload.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Yep I can see it now, zooming down the road via Starlink 4kFPV with a low light camera, going 120 MpH just over the car tops waiting for a Mig fighter to trying fire an infrared missile down on ya while flying over 10 PM traffic with all those hot cars being blown up into the air around ya on yer way to the target!

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I don’t think we would base nuclear missiles in Ukraine. In terms of basing, an Ohio in the the Black Sea can reach Moscow 1400 km away in about five minutes. A sub driver with the balls to do that from the White Sea about 1000 km away. The Gulf of Finland is too shallow and narrow, and probably patrolled by several Kilo-class attack subs.

The trouble with the Trident is that the RVs are unguided and so have a cep of ninety to hundreds of meters. A Spirit dropping the current B-62, which is guided, can hit within a meter of selected aim point. This allows many more mission options. There was talk of a nuclear-capable strike bomber variant built on the F-22, but it wasn’t done. The coming B-21 will do much more and with more stealth , payload and range, and the same cost for payload.

Yeah, but Ukraine could do it and kill VLAD with a conventional weapon in the Kremlin, technology makes it possible or soon will if some one wants it specifically and it doesn't cost much at all compared to a ballistic missile. A Ukrainian made stealth cruise missile, or a fleet of them could do the job too, from less than 300 miles away. The main point is, technology is enabling for individuals and especially groups of trained individuals with government support. Ukraine could reach out and touch Vlad if they wanted and there is little he can do about it, if he wants to continue living and working out of the Kremlin. Don't give a small group of determined engineers, with a budget a reason, or they might well change the world by ending Vlad in the Kremlin.

 

[cannabineer]

Yeah, but Ukraine could do it and kill VLAD with a conventional weapon in the Kremlin, technology makes it possible or soon will if some one wants it specifically and it doesn't cost much at all compared to a ballistic missile. A Ukrainian made stealth cruise missile, or a fleet of them could do the job too, from less than 300 miles away. The main point is, technology is enabling for individuals and especially groups of trained individuals with government support. Ukraine could reach out and touch Vlad if they wanted and there is little he can do about it, if he wants to continue living and working out of the Kremlin. Don't give a small group of determined engineers, with a budget a reason, or they might well change the world by ending Vlad in the Kremlin.

Cruise missiles are effectively our only asset not requiring air launch.
Stealth is hard to achieve at the hobbyist or small-organization level.
If you want to do drones as you describe, a wave or saturation approach is what I’d tool up for.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Cruise missiles are effectively our only asset not requiring air launch.
Stealth is hard to achieve at the hobbyist or small-organization level.
If you want to do drones as you describe, a wave or saturation approach is what I’d tool up for.

Stealth is not as hard as you think these days, for instance they make light planes by shaping the wing say in foam, then they spay on fiberglass and resin. You have a non conductive composite with a foam core and it is very strong even without reinforcing, that is naturally stealthy. The engine can be enclosed in it and painted with RAM too, a cruse missile would use one of several small jet engines commercially available. A small instrumented lab can measure radar cross sections. Aluminum reflects radar and it is used less and less today. They are talking about retrofitting American fighters to become more stealthy. There has been a lot published on stealth technology, not all of it is secret apparently, physics is kinda an open book!

 

[printer]

Your first point, I've seen reports of these being captured intact and I believe other NATO allies might have them, they have been around for awhile, too lazy to Google.

The second point is the fighters would carry dumb bombs and go low level with decoys on a one way trip, probably ejecting. The Americans did the same thing to prevent the Israelis from Attacking Iraq and expanding the war, they gave them patriots for air defense after Saddam fired scuds into Israel and they were all sealing up their houses with plastic.

I'm just going by what the Ukrainians have available and what they can innovate. If Vlad uses chemicals or nukes on Ukraine, Uncles Sam will have to something real special to prevent revenge on Russia in whatever form.

As for the range of ballistic rockets, it depends on how big they are and I'm not sure about the range of the big thermobaric ones, google I guess. If they had any they could reach a closer population center I'm sure. Most of my experience with rockets comes from building them as a kid, not commercial rocket motors.

Funny, I was bothered to Google the Ukrainians capturing the weapons and as luck would have it on the first two pages I got no hits on them having the bombs. Not to say they do not have any, but I can not say they do.

Same goes for the rest. You talk the talk like you know the capabilities and what Ukraine should do and then say you are to lazy to see if what you say is right. What makes you any better than the trolls repeating stuff? Not trying to pick on you but I could take what you say more seriously when you talk about what you actually know.

The Patriot missiles shot down less than 40% of the scuds. The system takes about 75 people to operate and if the US fires it from outside the Ukraine the Russians will see it as Nato getting in the fight. If the system is brought into Ukraine it will be seen as Nato getting into the fight.

And why do you want to hit a Russian population center? Then Russia has more reason to escalate.

 

[cannabineer]

Stealth is not as hard as you think these days, for instance they make light planes by shaping the wing say in foam, then they spay on fiberglass and resin. You have a non conductive composite with a foam core and it is very strong even without reinforcing, that is naturally stealthy. The engine can be enclosed in it and painted with RAM too, a cruse missile would use one of several small jet engines commercially available. A small instrumented lab can measure radar cross sections. Aluminum reflects radar and it is used less and less today. They are talking about retrofitting American fighters to become more stealthy. There has been a lot published on stealth technology, not all of it is secret apparently, physics is kinda an open book!

But will it be stealthy enough to spoof look down systems such as the new A-100? This craft was developed to spot low-flying stealth fighters and cruise missiles.

 

[printer]

Aluminum reflects radar and it is used less and less today. They are talking about retrofitting American fighters to become more stealthy. There has been a lot published on stealth technology, not all of it is secret apparently, physics is kinda an open book!

Who is talking about retrofitting fighters to be more stealthy and how exactly are they going to do it? Convert the plane with CF?