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DIY-HP-LED

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During the second gulf war when they began the air campaign The US air boss General Horner had a plan, he ordered up all the target drones they use for practice back in the states and had them modified to reflect back fighters. He sent them in for the first wave, causing the Iraqis to light up their air defense radars and expend SAMs, while wild weasels came in behind and fired anti radiation missiles, knocking out the AA radars. At the same time stealth bombers were taking command and control out in Bagdad and other places, then the cruse missiles timed to arrive as the AA defense went down took out the rest of the air force on the ground, finally the fighters went in and bombed the shit out of everything. It's how ya plan an air campaign to save yer guys lives by using yer brain, the general earned his pay.
 
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printer

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Upgrading new planes, not retrofitting old airframes.


"Radar cross sections are widely debated online, and as may as come as little surprise to you, national governments aren’t often in the habit of stepping in to clarify when it comes to their operational fighters. So, we should take everything about this stealth conversation with a grain of salt, as is always the case when speaking hypothetically about cutting-edge and classified technologies."

"Lockheed Martin officials and other defense experts dismissed that comparison as unrealistic, and indeed, a year later, Boeing eased up on their stealth claims, saying only that they had achieved their low-observable goals. "

"Of course, the F-16 started out with a much smaller radar cross-section than the F-15—at 5 m² and 25 m² respectively—but if we were to apply this same arithmetic to the Silent Eagle, we’re now talking about an F-15 with a radar cross-section of just 6 m² before making considerations for the canted tail sections and internal weapons carriage capabilities."

"This level of reduction still doesn’t come anywhere near matching the stealth offered by platforms like the F-22 or F-35, which boast estimated radar cross-sections of 0.0001-0.0002m² (the size of a marble) to 0.0015m² (the size of a golf ball) respectively."

So buy new planes that are over 30,000X worse than the new generation planes? But the F15 comes at half the cost! Yeah ok. Seems nobody bought the concept, the Israelies had a few and abandoned it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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"Radar cross sections are widely debated online, and as may as come as little surprise to you, national governments aren’t often in the habit of stepping in to clarify when it comes to their operational fighters. So, we should take everything about this stealth conversation with a grain of salt, as is always the case when speaking hypothetically about cutting-edge and classified technologies."

"Lockheed Martin officials and other defense experts dismissed that comparison as unrealistic, and indeed, a year later, Boeing eased up on their stealth claims, saying only that they had achieved their low-observable goals. "

"Of course, the F-16 started out with a much smaller radar cross-section than the F-15—at 5 m² and 25 m² respectively—but if we were to apply this same arithmetic to the Silent Eagle, we’re now talking about an F-15 with a radar cross-section of just 6 m² before making considerations for the canted tail sections and internal weapons carriage capabilities."

"This level of reduction still doesn’t come anywhere near matching the stealth offered by platforms like the F-22 or F-35, which boast estimated radar cross-sections of 0.0001-0.0002m² (the size of a marble) to 0.0015m² (the size of a golf ball) respectively."

So buy new planes that are over 30,000X worse than the new generation planes? But the F15 comes at half the cost! Yeah ok. Seems nobody bought the concept, the Israelies had a few and abandoned it.
I read it awhile back and just googled your answer, just glanced at it. I wouldn't expect a retrofit to be as good as a custom job. However, I have noticed geometry is becoming less of a factor in design and RAM seems to have improved quite a bit with materials science. The F35 looks more conventional and maneuverable than the F117, but I don't know the relative radar cross sections. I'm just a layman reading pubic stuff and physics is physics.
 

cannabineer

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I read it awhile back and just googled your answer, just glanced at it. I wouldn't expect a retrofit to be as good as a custom job. However, I have noticed geometry is becoming less of a factor in design and RAM seems to have improved quite a bit with materials science. The F35 looks more conventional and maneuverable than the F117, but I don't know the relative radar cross sections. I'm just a layman reading pubic stuff and physics is physics.
The 117 is quoted at 0.003 m2, more than ten times that of a 35. Thirty years of r&d.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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"Radar cross sections are widely debated online, and as may as come as little surprise to you, national governments aren’t often in the habit of stepping in to clarify when it comes to their operational fighters. So, we should take everything about this stealth conversation with a grain of salt, as is always the case when speaking hypothetically about cutting-edge and classified technologies."

"Lockheed Martin officials and other defense experts dismissed that comparison as unrealistic, and indeed, a year later, Boeing eased up on their stealth claims, saying only that they had achieved their low-observable goals. "

"Of course, the F-16 started out with a much smaller radar cross-section than the F-15—at 5 m² and 25 m² respectively—but if we were to apply this same arithmetic to the Silent Eagle, we’re now talking about an F-15 with a radar cross-section of just 6 m² before making considerations for the canted tail sections and internal weapons carriage capabilities."

"This level of reduction still doesn’t come anywhere near matching the stealth offered by platforms like the F-22 or F-35, which boast estimated radar cross-sections of 0.0001-0.0002m² (the size of a marble) to 0.0015m² (the size of a golf ball) respectively."

So buy new planes that are over 30,000X worse than the new generation planes? But the F15 comes at half the cost! Yeah ok. Seems nobody bought the concept, the Israelies had a few and abandoned it.
If you want the performance of a fighter, then stealth is hard do without new expensive composite construction under the RAM. Drones and even cruse missiles on the other hand travel at slower speeds and increasingly with GPS and satellite FPV control or even AI using stored images. What used to be hard and expensive, requiring a cast of thousands, is now cheap and easy to do for a small team of engineers with specific goals. What the USA used to do, other smaller countries can do and increasingly with unlicensed technology. I have a Cadex FPV camera that allows me to fly at night in urban environments, or with a full moon, it looks like daylight, or I could buy a night vision FPV camera that works in near complete darkness.

Almost all digital cameras can be turned into infrared and something to try with an old one in the junk drawer. Find yer heat leaks this winter!
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like the Ukrainians strike again, three times now. This should get those SAMs on the border and guys with manpads stationed every mile!
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DIY-HP-LED

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I agree with this guy, he's an expert, but expert opinion varies quite a bit on this issue. Give the Ukrainians what they need to get the job done, now that they are winning they are increasingly wanting to do it themselves anyway. It would be even more humiliating to Putin and hurt his chances of survival. Besides, it is a golden chance to reclaim all the territory of their country and weaken Vlad fatally at the same time, other than the civilian deaths, they have little incentive to let up now. They know what they've got and what is likely to be given, the more atrocities discovered, the more lethal aid they will receive with the public's blessing in the west.

Vlad is gonna have a very hard time in negotiations, Zelenskiy is holding all the cards and he's smarter than Vlad, more importantly, he knows what he is dealing with. I would expect Vlad to try and poison him during their meeting, he should teleconference, from a secret location, do it on zoom with a VPN!.
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Ret. general warns Putin stalling to distract West from his real objective
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Now is the time to pour in the switchblades, the tank killer ones too, when the Ukrainians are on the offensive. Using these in conjunction with other goodies we are providing, can help them break through in the south and especially in the east, with it's long conflict, defensive positions, dug in tanks and trenches. They need tanks and planes too, clean out eastern Europe of all the Soviet shit and send it to Ukraine, tell them the EU, America and Sweden will replace it with way better stuff and the Russians will pay for it with seized money. After the war it will be in the Ukrainian reserve, cause they will get new stuff as well.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The east will be a tough nut to crack and it will take Vlad time to reconstitute units and move them to eastern Ukraine by train. The Russians are retreating and they are worse at that than when going forward, so there are things the Ukrainians can do there too. Retreating troops are vulnerable on the roads in columns, just as advancing ones are. Blow a highway bridge over a river and retreating troops could panic desert their vehicles and run across the river over the remnant's of the bridge. It would be a good way to inherit hundreds of fighting vehicles. They wouldn't be smart enough to destroy them before leaving and their tanks that they left behind, could kill them, when they are down east fighting in a few weeks.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Why do I expect Vlad to try and kill Zelenskiy with poison? The best predictor of future behavior is past performance, Vlad is a murder many times over and this is his MO! Think about it, Vlad is gonna be humiliated and driven completely out of Ukraine with a completely shattered army that will be next to useless for a long time to come, if he doesn't sign a peace. He will get attacked on his own territory if he fires into Ukraine and if he masses troops for another try they might be slaughtered in Russia, before they see the border. For awhile Vlad won't be a threat to anybody, unless he nukes them.

Meanwhile Zelenskiy will be on a European and North American tour of liberal democracies getting every honor and award they have to offer and probably a Nobel peace prize, won by winning a war! :lol: Vlad will not be happy while all these festive events are happening! Vlad will want his revenge!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here is a project that Zelenskiy along with Uncle Sam, could pitch to Elon for a profit and challenge. How about a constellation like a train of direct broadcast satellites in low earth orbit, say a few groups of 12 that would pass over Moscow and other Russian cities and offer periodic TV and radio programing when ever they pass over Russian territory. These would be high powered and broadcast on digital TV channels from low earth orbit only while over Russia and direct the energy at the earth with the best polarization. If they operated like cell network they could switch on satellites as they passed over targeted population centers to provide say an hour of half hour programing.

It might even be possible to do it from Geosynchronous orbit 22,300 miles up with a tight enough beam on pointed on Moscow of high enough power on a single channel (it could use more than one), enough power can be accumulated to broadcast for 4 hours in Moscow prime time daily, there are many digital channels modern TVs can receive. It might be the better and cheaper option
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I've found this to be very effective on drones
if you happen to have those trucks, parked where they'll do some good...and they don't get blown the fuck up by your enemy, who knows exactly what they are and has an excellent idea of where they are...send in 3 or 4 squads of drones, at least one will get through, no more incredibly expensive truck that blows through ammo that cost more than the objects it shoots down.
and enemy operated drones won't fly in a nice tight group on a preprogrammed path that the operator knows about....it's a promotional viseo, they aren't going to tell you how many it misses, how many never get detected by it.
 

printer

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Here is a project that Zelenskiy along with Uncle Sam, could pitch to Elon for a profit and challenge. How about a constellation like a train of direct broadcast satellites in low earth orbit, say a few groups of 12 that would pass over Moscow and other Russian cities and offer periodic TV and radio programing when ever they pass over Russian territory. These would be high powered and broadcast on digital TV channels from low earth orbit only while over Russia and direct the energy at the earth with the best polarization. If they operated like cell network they could switch on satellites as they passed over targeted population centers to provide say an hour of half hour programing.

It might even be possible to do it from Geosynchronous orbit 22,300 miles up with a tight enough beam on pointed on Moscow of high enough power on a single channel (it could use more than one), enough power can be accumulated to broadcast for 4 hours in Moscow prime time daily, there are many digital channels modern TVs can receive. It might be the better and cheaper option
So you think the Russians can not blow up the satellites? Would make space a junk strewn mess.
 
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