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Roger A. Shrubber

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Russian Defense Ministry denies Ukraine's allegations of massacres in Bucha
The Ministry of Defense called footage from Bucha a production of Kyiv for Western media

The materials presented by the Ukrainian authorities, allegedly confirming the "crimes" of the Russian troops in Bucha, are yet another provocation, the Defense Ministry said.

"All the photographs and video materials published by the Kiev regime, allegedly testifying to some kind of" crimes "of Russian military personnel p are another provocation," the department noted.

They stressed that for the entire time the point was under the control of the Russians, not a single local resident suffered from any violent actions.

On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine . President Vladimir Putin called its goal "the protection of people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years."

As stated by the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces strike only at military infrastructure and Ukrainian troops. By March 25, they completed the main tasks of the first stage - they significantly reduced the combat potential of Ukraine. The main goal in the Russian military department was called the liberation of Donbass .

Ministry of Defense: Armed Forces of Ukraine use cluster munitions in residential areas

The Armed Forces of Ukraine use cluster munitions in residential areas, follows from a video published by the Russian Defense Ministry.

In the description for the video, the department indicates that sappers are clearing mines in the Trostyanetsky district of the Sumy region . In particular, unexploded ordnance of the MLRS and mortars of the troops and national battalions of Ukraine are collected and destroyed in safe places .

As noted in the department, as a result of shelling by Ukrainian troops, "buildings of schools, kindergartens, administrations of settlements and other civilian infrastructure facilities were damaged."

"This munition is delivered by a 220-mm Uragan multiple launch rocket system, which inflicts damage due to its ready-made fragments," Volodymyr, the commander of the obstacle platoon, says in the video, showing a partially detonated submunition from the Ukrainian missile cassette.

He noted that the projectile will be transported to the ammunition disposal site and destroyed

“In this case, only the fuse worked, the main charge did not work. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the ammunition was in storage for a very long time or was of inadequate quality,” Vladimir added.

The military also demonstrated a failed Ukrainian rocket "Hurricane" with a cluster warhead. The missile is broken in half, submunitions are visible inside, which should have scattered in the air over a large area.

On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine . President Vladimir Putin called its goal "the protection of people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years."

As stated by the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces strike only at military infrastructure and Ukrainian troops. By March 25, they completed the main tasks of the first stage - they significantly reduced the combat potential of Ukraine. The main goal in the Russian military department was called the liberation of Donbass .
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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“Today I feel better. The night was accompanied by heavy bombardment of Ukrainian targets throughout the country, from Lviv to Donetsk,” said Prokhanov, who said he sees the war as an effort to address the wounds left open by the Soviet collapse.
i'm beginning to lose what compassion i had for russian citizens. russian soldiers are russian citizens. they're leaving behind executed civilians as they withdraw. russian officers are russian citizens. they're ordering those executions. russian civilians support the war, see it as "an effort to address wounds" left by the collapse of the corrupt repressive former regime...
those don't seem like the attitudes or actions of a people misled by their leadership, it seems like the actions of a nation full of entitled feeling assholes, who all want that former glory back, and are fine with the leadership murdering innocent civilians in order to get it...
there will have to be many many war crime trials after this war, and many hangings
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i think i'll let the courts settle the semantic issues after the war...war crimes have been committed, the only question now is how many, and how harsh the sentences will be
I’m complaining about the journalism. Journalists exert considerable evolutionary pressure on lexicography. I think this was a miss by the writer.
 

printer

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I really do not know how the Russians can escape reality. Here is a few clues.

What should Russia do with Ukraine?
Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. Nazi, Bandera Ukraine, the enemy of Russia and the West's tool for the destruction of Russia, we do not need. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical plane.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely the majority - has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi regime in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. Nazi, Bandera Ukraine, the enemy of Russia and the West's tool for the destruction of Russia, we do not need. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical plane.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people - most likely the majority - has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi regime in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis "the people are good - the government is bad" does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.

 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Russian Defense Ministry denies Ukraine's allegations of massacres in Bucha
The Ministry of Defense called footage from Bucha a production of Kyiv for Western media

The materials presented by the Ukrainian authorities, allegedly confirming the "crimes" of the Russian troops in Bucha, are yet another provocation, the Defense Ministry said.

"All the photographs and video materials published by the Kiev regime, allegedly testifying to some kind of" crimes "of Russian military personnel p are another provocation," the department noted.

They stressed that for the entire time the point was under the control of the Russians, not a single local resident suffered from any violent actions.

On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine . President Vladimir Putin called its goal "the protection of people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years."

As stated by the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces strike only at military infrastructure and Ukrainian troops. By March 25, they completed the main tasks of the first stage - they significantly reduced the combat potential of Ukraine. The main goal in the Russian military department was called the liberation of Donbass .

Ministry of Defense: Armed Forces of Ukraine use cluster munitions in residential areas
The Armed Forces of Ukraine use cluster munitions in residential areas, follows from a video published by the Russian Defense Ministry.

In the description for the video, the department indicates that sappers are clearing mines in the Trostyanetsky district of the Sumy region . In particular, unexploded ordnance of the MLRS and mortars of the troops and national battalions of Ukraine are collected and destroyed in safe places .

As noted in the department, as a result of shelling by Ukrainian troops, "buildings of schools, kindergartens, administrations of settlements and other civilian infrastructure facilities were damaged."

"This munition is delivered by a 220-mm Uragan multiple launch rocket system, which inflicts damage due to its ready-made fragments," Volodymyr, the commander of the obstacle platoon, says in the video, showing a partially detonated submunition from the Ukrainian missile cassette.

He noted that the projectile will be transported to the ammunition disposal site and destroyed

“In this case, only the fuse worked, the main charge did not work. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the ammunition was in storage for a very long time or was of inadequate quality,” Vladimir added.

The military also demonstrated a failed Ukrainian rocket "Hurricane" with a cluster warhead. The missile is broken in half, submunitions are visible inside, which should have scattered in the air over a large area.

On February 24, Russia launched a special military operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine . President Vladimir Putin called its goal "the protection of people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide by the Kiev regime for eight years."

As stated by the Ministry of Defense, the Armed Forces strike only at military infrastructure and Ukrainian troops. By March 25, they completed the main tasks of the first stage - they significantly reduced the combat potential of Ukraine. The main goal in the Russian military department was called the liberation of Donbass .
does anyone but their own older, thoroughly brainwashed citizens believe this fucking horseshit? why do they even bother to release it?
all the residents of Bucha (the ones the russians didn't murder) saw their own government restraining their neighbors, then murder them, with russian weapons? and they're all behind it, all on board with their government murdering their neighbors, to make russia look worse that it already does? that's just fucking insulting, to think that anyone would believe that.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I’m complaining about the journalism. Journalists exert considerable evolutionary pressure on lexicography. I think this was a miss by the writer.
Zelensky and Klitschko called it genocide...which isn't accurate at the moment, but i can sympathize with their over zealous description of the situation. the reporter just seemed to be relaying their statements.
 

printer

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does anyone but their own older, thoroughly brainwashed citizens believe this fucking horseshit? why do they even bother to release it?
all the residents of Bucha (the ones the russians didn't murder) saw their own government restraining their neighbors, then murder them, with russian weapons? and they're all behind it, all on board with their government murdering their neighbors, to make russia look worse that it already does? that's just fucking insulting, to think that anyone would believe that.
Just look at Trump supporters...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The latter, in turn, should begin with the organization of local self-government, police and defense bodies, cleansed of Nazi elements, launching on their basis the founding processes of founding a new republican statehood, integrating this statehood into close cooperation with the Russian department for the denazification of Ukraine (newly created or converted, say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), with the adoption under Russian control of the republican regulatory framework (legislation) on denazification, the definition of the boundaries and framework for the direct application of Russian law and Russian jurisdiction in the liberated territory in the field of denazification, the creation of a tribunal for crimes against humanity in the former Ukraine. In this regard, Russia should act as the guardian of the Nuremberg Trials.

All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification, the support of the population is necessary, its transition to the side of Russia after liberation from terror, violence and ideological pressure of the Kiev regime, after the withdrawal from informational isolation. Of course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of hostilities, to be convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they will not be abandoned." It is impossible to foresee in advance exactly in which territories such a mass of the population will constitute a critically needed majority. The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line of alienation, however, will be found empirically. Behind it will remain hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature. this would require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature. this would require a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.

The operation to denazify Ukraine, which began with a military phase, will follow the same logic of stages in peacetime as a military operation. At each of them, it will be necessary to achieve irreversible changes, which will become the results of the corresponding stage. In this case, the necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:


creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.
the inclusion of a complex of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the constitutions of the new people's republics;
the establishment of memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the victims of Ukrainian Nazism, perpetuating the memory of the heroes of the struggle against it;
the adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types and forms of the revival of Nazi ideology;
lustration, publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime, involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to the death penalty or imprisonment);
mass investigative actions to establish personal responsibility for war crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for the Nazi regime;
the withdrawal of educational materials and the prohibition of educational programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;
installation of the Russian information space;
the formation of public self-government bodies and militia (defense and law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population from the terror of underground Nazi groups;
liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which means any armed formations of Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military, informational, educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;

Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a purely Russian business. And also because not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but also, and above all, Western totalitarianism, the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and disintegration, the mechanisms of subjugation to the superpower of the West and the United States .

In order to put the plan of denazification of Ukraine into practice, Russia itself will have to finally part with pro-European and pro-Western illusions, realize itself as the last instance of protecting and preserving those values of historical Europe (the Old World) that deserve it and which the West ultimately abandoned, losing the fight for himself. This struggle continued throughout the 20th century and was expressed in the world war and the Russian revolution, inextricably linked with each other.

Russia did everything possible to save the West in the 20th century. She implemented the main Western project, an alternative to capitalism, which won the nation-states - a socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism, the monstrous offspring of the crisis of Western civilization. The last act of Russian altruism was the outstretched hand of friendship from Russia, for which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.

Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis, and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it selflessly provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the global process of decolonization.

As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the population of Ukraine will have to understand as it begins to free itself from the intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.

* An extremist organization banned in Russia.
what a load of shit...my respect for russians goes down on a daily basis. both the leadership of the country, and the people who buy into this horseshit. it sounds like a whole country full of trump supporters, at least we only have half that many fucking morons...which is actually small comfort :(
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Zelensky and Klitschko called it genocide...which isn't accurate at the moment, but i can sympathize with their over zealous description of the situation. the reporter just seemed to be relaying their statements.
Plausible. Since I’m having my Sunday-morning nitpick continue, perhaps the journalist should have added a qualifier. Or I glossed over it. shrug
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I have grown to understand that Nazi-ism is the persecution of Russia. I think.
there's two ways to take that statement, that the russians call anyone who doesn't agree with them nazis, to justify murdering them...
or that the russians are the real nazis in this situation...both correct, in my opinion...but clarify which you meant, please?
a third, much less likely possibility exists, that you think the Ukrainians are actually nazis, persecuting the russians, but that is so ridiculous, we won't entertain the idea that that is what you meant
 

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How to cure Ukrainians from Stockholm syndrome
The wave of military news from the territory of the former Ukraine is amazing. Retreating, the VSE soldiers set out, it seems, to use up the entire supply of ammunition that had been sent to them from the West over the past eight years. They, need not, undermine bridges and mine, retreating, everything they can. It seems that this is their country, one would be sorry, but no - the guys act on the principle of "the barn burned down, burn down the hut."

 

printer

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there's two ways to take that statement, that the russians call anyone who doesn't agree with them nazis, to justify murdering them...
or that the russians are the real nazis in this situation...both correct, in my opinion...but clarify which you meant, please?
a third, much less likely possibility exists, that you think the Ukrainians are actually nazis, persecuting the russians, but that is so ridiculous, we won't entertain the idea that that is what you meant
Sarcasm.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
there's two ways to take that statement, that the russians call anyone who doesn't agree with them nazis, to justify murdering them...
or that the russians are the real nazis in this situation...both correct, in my opinion...but clarify which you meant, please?
a third, much less likely possibility exists, that you think the Ukrainians are actually nazis, persecuting the russians, but that is so ridiculous, we won't entertain the idea that that is what you meant
I will modify your points 1 and 2 a tiny bit, since I think they’re close to the mark, by dovetailing it with my previous post.
In Russia the word has even more power to enrage the Russian population than saying Communism! does here.

The use of the word has considerable propaganda value in recruiting people’s support of the war, even while it is a plain lie.

Plain lies work, as “stop the steal” demonstrates here.
 

printer

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Blockade trade. How foreign goods will be transported to Russia
The largest European transport companies refuse to send cars to Russia. Goods are loaded onto trains, but the capacity of the railway is low. And the planes will not take anything large. It takes months to set up new logistics. Whether consumers will be left without imports was analyzed by RIA Novosti.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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"Victory begets enmity; the defeated dwell in pain. Happily the peaceful live, having set winning & losing aside."
- The Buddha, in The Dhammapaḍa, verse 201
 
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