BudmanTX
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could be....hard to say really......
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DIY-HP-LED
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At some point others might want a referendum and they kinda set a precedent with referendums and separatist movements for their own destruction. If the population is for it and gets active enough, it might be hard for the government to control things, especially if the military and their families there are sympathetic. Voting with their feet will become more appealing every day as Russia is weakened militarily and economically. They have outside TV and radio there and some of it is in Russian, plus they are 50 miles from the Belorussian border. Poland was making noises about it and the Russians themselves broached the idea and might have planted a seed.
DIY-HP-LED
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With the Russians using Nazi's in their propaganda and the corrosive effect it could have on their international support, I would think the Liberal democratic bunch lead by Zelenskiy would discourage such shit as much as possible. Most people hate Nazi's everywhere, but in a liberal democracy there are limits as to how much you can suppress something as you know from America's experience. They are bad PR and if Zelenskiy knows anything, he knows PR. America has had a black president, but it is yet to have a Jewish one, or a woman. Many people think of America as a cauldron of racism and corruption, a lot of Americans do too!
However that means you are free to be an asshole and it makes the corrupt hard to prosecute.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That article is about Battalion, and it suggests Regiment is sometimes misapplied to them. I doubt they are no longer aspirant fascists.
printer
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But you are the one that posted an article about how the hinterland is ruled by Moscow with goods and services controlled by Moscow. If an area gets uppity they may find themselves short of a much needed commodity (such as toilet paper). In my reading of events in the russian news there was articles on five heads of areas that got removed and replaced. Realistically the top 150 in Russia will change the wallpaper for everyone to think change is being done rather than their system of grift changes where their income drops.
Friendly_Grower
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Yeah we just ignore that some have more than they can spend in a lifetime and even have more than their great-great-great-great-great-great... Grandchildren can spend in their lifetimes and we ignore the reason some folks have nothing but weed and dreams.
I like Capitalism but I do agree with Marx it should only be a foundation for Communism. The problem with all "ISM(s)" is that People muck it up.
Let us face facts we are animals and we will wallow in the mud for a proverbial shiny coin.
We will believe there is a Man in the sky watching us.
The bullshit we all propagate is exactly what keeps the inequality going.
If we wanted to we can solve the poverty problem but then the rich will not be incredabily rich.
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Friendly_Grower
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Oh yes for some if they could go safely to a 10 by 10 shed safely it would be a a home!
DIY-HP-LED
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Well the last couple of times they got into a state where they could be dismembered was when they lost two wars and the governments collapsed, at the beginning of communism, though gains were made and some of the old empire restored and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Three times really, they lost the Japanese war in 1905 and that caused a revolution and reform, then the first world war which brought in the commies and they traded land for peace.
So I wouldn't expect any major political changes inside Russia until Putin is gone, the army much weaker and the economy in deeper depression. The news from Ukraine has yet to sink in and by next year the pension checks won't arrive. They will need to give free cable in Moscow and St. Pete's, to keep the base watching the propaganda. Things change, china is in the region and looking to expand the road and belt bullshit and their central Asia neighbors are liberalizing and connected to China and it's prosperity.
They are about to lose another war and experience another national humiliation, this often leads to change or even political collapse in Russia, if the center cannot hold, the republics will take over. As I said before, if in the next couple of years a couple of bridges got blown in remote Siberia a lot can happen before they get fixed. There might be many potential nationalist groups who might wish to do this for a variety of reasons, there are a lot of republics east of the Urals. As I said, this war will blow open many possibilities and that ain't counting someone like China or Uncle Sam stirring up shit in those places. It might even be a Russian or some other ethnic group veteran of the Ukrainian war, someone who knows how to steal a truck load of army explosives with a bribe to the guard...
BudmanTX
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I got that 2, and who knows just gotta watch and keep digging
Friendly_Grower
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Perhaps like the fable of the Dutch Boy with his finger in the dike Putin is the one that put the hole in the dike to begin with.
Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates
One stoner thought I had was that Putin is changing the reality for that whole region to join the E.U.
Sure sure, it means he is dying and setting Russia on a trajectory but stranger things have happened!
What really makes a change is how much money his rich folk are losing.
That fear factor of finance is relative to now but what is the long game with the way the chessboard is set up as?
Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates
One stoner thought I had was that Putin is changing the reality for that whole region to join the E.U.
Sure sure, it means he is dying and setting Russia on a trajectory but stranger things have happened!
What really makes a change is how much money his rich folk are losing.
That fear factor of finance is relative to now but what is the long game with the way the chessboard is set up as?
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printer
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RIA Novosti: Russia used a platoon of "Terminators" in Ukraine
Russian troops during a special operation in Ukraine used a platoon of tank support combat vehicles (BMPT) "Terminators". This was reported by an informed source of RIA Novosti.
“As part of a special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces used a BMPT Terminator platoon,” the source said. He clarified that combat vehicles are involved in the fire destruction of Ukrainian positions, armored vehicles, crews of anti-tank missile systems, along with tank platoons.
The use of "Terminators" in the fighting in Ukraine will finally form the tactics of using these machines and determine their place in armored groups, he added. The experience of the special operation in Ukraine demonstrates the need for this kind of military equipment in tank units to increase their combat stability, the source of the agency summed up.
Earlier it was reported that the "Terminators" were first tested on militants in Syria . In China , they called the BMPT "Terminator" a death combine capable of replacing tanks. During the special operation, the Russian Armed Forces used the Kinzhal hypersonic missile for the first time . Chinese media called the new Russian missile "a slap in the face of NATO" .
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The principal armament of the Terminator tank includes a 130 mm Ataka-30 missile launcher, two 30 mm 2A42 auto-cannons. Whereas, the other weapons of this tank are two 30 mm AG-17D grenade launchers and 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun. This tank is built on the chassis of Russia’s famous T-72 main battle tank. T-72 tanks are used in many countries around the world including Russia-India. There are many countries including India who also make this tank under license in their own country.
TASS: the Black Sea Fleet may have a new flagship
After the death of the cruiser Moskva, the missile frigate Admiral Makarov may become the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) of Russia. This was reported by a TASS source close to the Crimean law enforcement agencies.
“After the death of the Moscow, one of the three frigates of the far sea zone of project 11356 may become the new flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. So far, the choice has been made in favor of the Admiral Makarov,” the agency’s interlocutor said.
The missile cruiser Moskva was the flagship of the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. She sank on 14 April. During the incident , one person died , another 27 servicemen were missing, the remaining 396 crew members were evacuated, the Russian Defense Ministry reported. The department said that the cruiser "Moskva" sank while being towed in a storm . The Ukrainian authorities said they hit the ship with two Neptune missiles. The Pentagon denied involvement in the destruction of the cruiser, as previously reported by CNN .
Russian troops during a special operation in Ukraine used a platoon of tank support combat vehicles (BMPT) "Terminators". This was reported by an informed source of RIA Novosti.
“As part of a special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces used a BMPT Terminator platoon,” the source said. He clarified that combat vehicles are involved in the fire destruction of Ukrainian positions, armored vehicles, crews of anti-tank missile systems, along with tank platoons.
The use of "Terminators" in the fighting in Ukraine will finally form the tactics of using these machines and determine their place in armored groups, he added. The experience of the special operation in Ukraine demonstrates the need for this kind of military equipment in tank units to increase their combat stability, the source of the agency summed up.
Earlier it was reported that the "Terminators" were first tested on militants in Syria . In China , they called the BMPT "Terminator" a death combine capable of replacing tanks. During the special operation, the Russian Armed Forces used the Kinzhal hypersonic missile for the first time . Chinese media called the new Russian missile "a slap in the face of NATO" .
РИА «Новости»: Россия применила на Украине взвод «Терминаторов»
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The principal armament of the Terminator tank includes a 130 mm Ataka-30 missile launcher, two 30 mm 2A42 auto-cannons. Whereas, the other weapons of this tank are two 30 mm AG-17D grenade launchers and 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun. This tank is built on the chassis of Russia’s famous T-72 main battle tank. T-72 tanks are used in many countries around the world including Russia-India. There are many countries including India who also make this tank under license in their own country.
TASS: the Black Sea Fleet may have a new flagship
After the death of the cruiser Moskva, the missile frigate Admiral Makarov may become the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) of Russia. This was reported by a TASS source close to the Crimean law enforcement agencies.
“After the death of the Moscow, one of the three frigates of the far sea zone of project 11356 may become the new flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. So far, the choice has been made in favor of the Admiral Makarov,” the agency’s interlocutor said.
The missile cruiser Moskva was the flagship of the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. She sank on 14 April. During the incident , one person died , another 27 servicemen were missing, the remaining 396 crew members were evacuated, the Russian Defense Ministry reported. The department said that the cruiser "Moskva" sank while being towed in a storm . The Ukrainian authorities said they hit the ship with two Neptune missiles. The Pentagon denied involvement in the destruction of the cruiser, as previously reported by CNN .
Jimdamick
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Holy Fuck!!!!
This was a military commentator on the most watched news show in Russia yesterday (He's perfect
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This was a military commentator on the most watched news show in Russia yesterday (He's perfect
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injinji
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Their political arm received less than 2% of the vote. The fear is there will be a hero rise from their ranks who could be elected.
injinji
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My understanding of the deal with russia was that the wounded troops would get medical aid and they would all be exchanged for russian pow's at some point in the future. But once they had gave themselves up, some russians are saying that they should not be treated as pow's, but as terrorists. We will have to wait and see what shakes out.
DIY-HP-LED
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Oooh, Terminators, I'm sure NATO would like to see a few of those irreplaceable items destroyed and perhaps even a sample that ran out of gas for a peek. The objective is to destroy his military equipment, the more advanced the better, the design will be obsolete before they get the electronics to build them again. They can use components destined for commercial applications, but it ain't military grade! Processors and micro controllers can be used, but quality sensors are out of the question. They would be desperate in deed to rob components from commercial equipment, but can use some intended for them.RIA Novosti: Russia used a platoon of "Terminators" in Ukraine
Russian troops during a special operation in Ukraine used a platoon of tank support combat vehicles (BMPT) "Terminators". This was reported by an informed source of RIA Novosti.
“As part of a special military operation in Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces used a BMPT Terminator platoon,” the source said. He clarified that combat vehicles are involved in the fire destruction of Ukrainian positions, armored vehicles, crews of anti-tank missile systems, along with tank platoons.
The use of "Terminators" in the fighting in Ukraine will finally form the tactics of using these machines and determine their place in armored groups, he added. The experience of the special operation in Ukraine demonstrates the need for this kind of military equipment in tank units to increase their combat stability, the source of the agency summed up.
Earlier it was reported that the "Terminators" were first tested on militants in Syria . In China , they called the BMPT "Terminator" a death combine capable of replacing tanks. During the special operation, the Russian Armed Forces used the Kinzhal hypersonic missile for the first time . Chinese media called the new Russian missile "a slap in the face of NATO" .
РИА «Новости»: Россия применила на Украине взвод «Терминаторов»
Читайте на URA.RU
The principal armament of the Terminator tank includes a 130 mm Ataka-30 missile launcher, two 30 mm 2A42 auto-cannons. Whereas, the other weapons of this tank are two 30 mm AG-17D grenade launchers and 7.62 mm PKTM machine gun. This tank is built on the chassis of Russia’s famous T-72 main battle tank. T-72 tanks are used in many countries around the world including Russia-India. There are many countries including India who also make this tank under license in their own country.
TASS: the Black Sea Fleet may have a new flagship
After the death of the cruiser Moskva, the missile frigate Admiral Makarov may become the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) of Russia. This was reported by a TASS source close to the Crimean law enforcement agencies.
“After the death of the Moscow, one of the three frigates of the far sea zone of project 11356 may become the new flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. So far, the choice has been made in favor of the Admiral Makarov,” the agency’s interlocutor said.
The missile cruiser Moskva was the flagship of the Russian fleet in the Black Sea. She sank on 14 April. During the incident , one person died , another 27 servicemen were missing, the remaining 396 crew members were evacuated, the Russian Defense Ministry reported. The department said that the cruiser "Moskva" sank while being towed in a storm . The Ukrainian authorities said they hit the ship with two Neptune missiles. The Pentagon denied involvement in the destruction of the cruiser, as previously reported by CNN .
The more equipment he throws in the better as far as the allies and Ukrainians are concerned, as long as we provide the means to destroy it at minimal cost in Ukrainian lives. The better arms they have the less costly it will be for them, hence the big iron, tanks and drones, tailor made for the terrain and a decisive edge that they are skilled enough to exploit.
DIY-HP-LED
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They have had so many recruits, not because of their ideology, but because of their fighting prowess and courage, they have a wide variety of political views. However the ideas of liberal democracy have made major strides since the war began. The Ukrainians unlike the Russians value education and never cut it to the bone for decades as the Russians have, they are more western leaning and a cultural divide is opening up more between them and Russians. Zelenskiy's party is a liberal democratic progressive party that is seeking closer ties with the EU and membership with all that entails.
Veterans will run Ukraine, just as they did during our post war prosperity, until the 70's nobody fucked with the Veterans in Canada or America! They tend to get a dose of patriotism and don't tolerate corruption much, are eager to get on with their lives and build a future for their families, they could even have a post war baby boom.
DIY-HP-LED
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They are getting a dose, but there will be defeats they can't hide, just like when they sank the Moscow. There is much interest in the war there since it is impacting their lives so much. They need to ask themselves a simple fundamental question when good people shun them, "Am I an asshole"?Holy Fuck!!!!
This was a military commentator on the most watched news show in Russia yesterday (He's perfect
Next year the government will announce, " For this years Victory parade we will use antique actual great patriotic war equipment"! You might see a rolling museum in Moscow next May 9th as the T34's go rolling by, nothing was surplus in the old CCCP, everything was kept in storage, but not maintained and pilfered over the decades for anything of value.
DIY-HP-LED
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Reporting the artillery is destroying the Russians just as they predicted and they are using it in the prescribed manner for maximum effect. The mission is to destroy or capture as much of their shit inside Ukraine as possible and it's ok to shell the shit out of them as the run inside Russia, as long as it destroys equipment. Destroying equipment equals getting their country back and long term security as Russia can't replace most of it. He can raise a million man army or even ten, but he can't arm, feed or equip them, even with small arms it appears. The goal appears to be to destroy his army before he has the option of deploying another one, from inside Russia, not Crimea. If they try again they start from where they were before or from scratch.
Massed hordes of troops heading for the border in 3 or 4 months can be dealt with by AC 130 gunships, a few tons of ammo expended can mow down a lot of em and discourage even more! Besides, most would desert and run for Europe as refugees.
www.newsweek.com
Massed hordes of troops heading for the border in 3 or 4 months can be dealt with by AC 130 gunships, a few tons of ammo expended can mow down a lot of em and discourage even more! Besides, most would desert and run for Europe as refugees.
'From America With Love': U.S. Howitzers Fired By Ukraine Troops
Ukrainian troops shelled Russian targets with brand new M777 howitzers donated by the U.S. with the message "From America with Love."
www.newsweek.com
Jimdamick
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I would like to see Ukraine take back Crimea & Donbas as a final fuck you to Putin & take your proxy fucking Nazis back with youReporting the artillery is destroying the Russians just as they predicted and they are using it in the prescribed manner for maximum effect. The mission is to destroy or capture as much of their shit inside Ukraine as possible and it's ok to shell the shit out of them as the run inside Russia, as long as it destroys equipment. Destroying equipment equals getting their country back and long term security as Russia can't replace most of it. He can raise a million man army or even ten, but he can't arm, feed or equip them, even with small arms it appears. The goal appears to be to destroy his army before he has the option of deploying another one, from inside Russia, not Crimea. If they try again they start from where they were before or from scratch.
Massed hordes of troops heading for the border in 3 or 4 months can be dealt with by AC 130 gunships, a few tons of ammo expended can mow down a lot of em and discourage even more! Besides, most would desert and run for Europe as refugees.
'From America With Love': U.S. Howitzers Fired By Ukraine Troops
Ukrainian troops shelled Russian targets with brand new M777 howitzers donated by the U.S. with the message "From America with Love."
Why not?
Friendly_Grower
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It has already happened.
The decay will be slow and Putin will die as he is very ill.
Cancer is what wins this war.
That is my best guess.