Open Outdoor Auto Thread, 2022

[thumper60]

Yea well good luck with that. My third auto caught rot too, growing outside, autos have been a real let down. Work/reward ratio sucks, at least in New England, the autos have to have a real specialized program, or else its a waste of time.

Its tough here in the northeast, I have found that getting the flowering plants under cover each night makes a huge difference The morning dew is killer here an only gets worse in the fall.

 

[Humanrob]

Ok, so my Jack Herer Auto has been growing 14 weeks, am seeing some bud rot and treating it with h2o2 spray. I keep thinking it's almost ready, but recently it started throwing out small green leaf shoots from the colas. And im seeing tons of white hairs as well. Either I let it go too long, not long enough, or something weird is happening.
Anyone ever have buds suddenly start throwing green leaf out of cola?
Almost like it wants to reveg?
More later.

I've had plants that had a first set of hairs go brown, and then produced another wave of white hairs, and others that more consistently have produced new white hairs right up to the end. I've come to lean more heavily on trichomes to tell me when they're done, although sometimes that can be confusing too.

The green leaves out of the cola is an odd one. Sometimes plants seem to react that way to being overfed or fed heavy late in flower. I also wonder about the radical temperature shifts we're having, and what impact that has on the plants cycles.

I have lots of thoughts and guesses about what could cause that, but I'm trying to avoid "bro science" by putting stuff out there that is just based on my observations and musings. Hopefully someone with a stronger knowledge base can say something definitive.

 

[Humanrob]

Some bud development, day 80




Even though I grow in a structure covered with bug netting, it's not flawless and I've already picked one worm out of a rotting bud. One or two I can deal with, I've lost half a crop to worms in the past.

Two buds on the Cosmic Smile had plain old moldy bud rot, no worms. Last year I saw some on August 1st and that was the earliest, so this is my new all time record for earliest bud rot. NE Oregon is kind of famous for having all kinds of mold, I think it's just part of the territory. Abundant native spores and the 30º swings between night and day are apparently good enough conditions for mold, crazy since humidity is relatively low, we're in the middle of a heat wave, and we haven't had a drop of rain in weeks.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Ok, have no idea whats up with this auto. For some bizarre reason, the tons of red hairs and darkness are not showing .
It's old for an auto, 14 weeks..
Thoughts?

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

I've had plants that had a first set of hairs go brown, and then produced another wave of white hairs, and others that more consistently have produced new white hairs right up to the end. I've come to lean more heavily on trichomes to tell me when they're done, although sometimes that can be confusing too.

The green leaves out of the cola is an odd one. Sometimes plants seem to react that way to being overfed or fed heavy late in flower. I also wonder about the radical temperature shifts we're having, and what impact that has on the plants cycles.

I have lots of thoughts and guesses about what could cause that, but I'm trying to avoid "bro science" by putting stuff out there that is just based on my observations and musings. Hopefully someone with a stronger knowledge base can say something definitive.

Excellent answer. Thank you much for your response. I fed them the 17th, not again until like the 25th... usually I do weekly. I'm starting to believe it's 'overdone but at the same time - could go further. Here's pics; please note, no idea why the tons of red hairs DO NOT SHOW In my pics no matter what I do. These buds are riddled with red hairs, even a little brown from rot, just doesn't show. Looks like all white hairs. Oh well & here's pics, thoughts?

 

[Humanrob]

Excellent answer. Thank you much for your response. I fed them the 17th, not again until like the 25th... usually I do weekly. I'm starting to believe it's 'overdone but at the same time - could go further. Here's pics; please note, no idea why the tons of red hairs DO NOT SHOW In my pics no matter what I do. These buds are riddled with red hairs, even a little brown from rot, just doesn't show. Looks like all white hairs. Oh well & here's pics, thoughts?

If those were photos, I'd say it reveg'd. Autos are weird, there are a ton of genetic influences between all the photo sativa and indica genes crossed over and over again, and then they throw ruderalis into the mix, and even in a fairly stable strain every once in a while you get a bit of a Frankenstein outcome. It can happen. No fault of the grower, especially of your other plants are looking normal and just that one went a bit sideways. That'd be my guess. Genetic mishap.

At this point I'd check the trichomes and see what they have to say about how ready it is.

Who is the breeder and what is the strain?

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

If those were photos, I'd say it reveg'd. Autos are weird, there are a ton of genetic influences between all the photo sativa and indica genes crossed over and over again, and then they throw ruderalis into the mix, and even in a fairly stable strain every once in a while you get a bit of a Frankenstein outcome. It can happen. No fault of the grower, especially of your other plants are looking normal and just that one went a bit sideways. That'd be my guess. Genetic mishap.

At this point I'd check the trichomes and see what they have to say about how ready it is.

Who is the breeder and what is the strain?

The breeder was North Atlantic and the strain is Jack Herer, I'll try n get some pics with the scope.

 

[Humanrob]

The breeder was North Atlantic and the strain is Jack Herer, I'll try n get some pics with the scope.

I'm aware of North Atlantic Seed Company as a reseller, but not familiar with a breeder called North Atlantic. I love Jack Herer, the only auto version I've grown was bred by Fast Buds and finished well in an indoor grow. Haven't tried it outside.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

I'm aware of North Atlantic Seed Company as a reseller, but not familiar with a breeder called North Atlantic. I love Jack Herer, the only auto version I've grown was bred by Fast Buds and finished well in an indoor grow. Haven't tried it outside.

Oh crap, sorry yea, the breeder was darkhorse? Lemme check. Also, do you think the plant is trash now? Should I pull it?
Edit: ok was actually Green House Seed Co.
It was Darkhorse genetics that sold me the Sunny Days that turned into males.

 

[Humanrob]

Also, do you think the plant is trash now? Should I pull it?

I've never grown any Greenhouse Seeds before, so I went to check out their website. I had written a whole response to your question, but after seeing the picture on their website of this plant, I'd say that's pretty much just what it looks like, it has a very leafy bud structure. It looks kind of like yours, just frostier, so I'd let it go longer.

It'll probably be a pain to trim, but could/should smoke well if finished right. I like that they give the genetic breakdown, I don't know how they arrive at these number (actual DNA testing?), but it's interesting: 30% Indica / 50% Sativa / 20% Ruderalis -- that's a lot of Ruderalis. Might explain the leafy-ness.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

I've never grown any Greenhouse Seeds before, so I went to check out their website. I had written a whole response to your question, but after seeing the picture on their website of this plant, I'd say that's pretty much just what it looks like, it has a very leafy bud structure. It looks kind of like yours, just frostier, so I'd let it go longer.

It'll probably be a pain to trim, but could/should smoke well if finished right. I like that they give the genetic breakdown, I don't know how they arrive at these number (actual DNA testing?), but it's interesting: 30% Indica / 50% Sativa / 20% Ruderalis -- that's a lot of Ruderalis. Might explain the leafy-ness.
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I wish my camera took a picture so you could see all the red hairs on it, Ill try wife's cam later...

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

So here’s pics with wife’s cam, now you can finally see the red hairs, think she looks ready now? Same plant, but my cam just would not pick up the red hairs, so friggin weird.

 

[Humanrob]

a few days into week 12, getting closer now, a couple will come down before the weekend, at least the top colas, seeing some amber all the way down to the lower buds. it's really nice to have a proper finish with an outdoor, it reminds me of why I grow autos. a few others maybe another week or three, then we'll stick a fork in this season. all the heat we're having seems to be speeding them up, and they're calling for another 100+º day this weekend.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

a few days into week 12, getting closer now, a couple will come down before the weekend, at least the top colas, seeing some amber all the way down to the lower buds. it's really nice to have a proper finish with an outdoor, it reminds me of why I grow autos. a few others maybe another week or three, then we'll stick a fork in this season. all the heat we're having seems to be speeding them up, and they're calling for another 100+º day this weekend.

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Looking gorgeous man! Getting some very hot weather for you as well. What temps does it get inside the shelter? They are 100f outside temps right?

We’re forecast a dry and sunny august. I actually can’t remember the last time we had one. Usually always wet. Parts of the UK are heading for drought.

Our usual monthly rainfall is about 80mm. We’ve had between 0-25mm :/

 

[farmerfischer]

So here’s pics with wife’s cam, now you can finally see the red hairs, think she looks ready now? Same plant, but my cam just would not pick up the red hairs, so friggin weird.

Dude.. 14 weeks from seed?
My brother has grown afew autos. His first one was a northern lights which was A 90 (12 weeks)day plant that finished but he fucked around the last couple weeks with his light cycle dropping it to 12/12 ( like a tard) and it got all larfy and fox tailed bad.. buds seem to not want to finish at the tops.. it
Kind of looked like yours. did you fuck around with your light schedul at all? Do any tweeking? Be honest..

 

[Humanrob]

Looking gorgeous man!

Thanks! So far so good. One experiment I did after reading about, may or may not have worked. On the one plant that got mold, after I cut the mold away I sprayed the adjacent area with h2o2. This is the first time I've ever had a plant get bud rot and then not have it continue spreading, so that seemed to have worked... On the other hand, that plant sprouted the most nanners I've ever seen on a plant. Just weak genetics in that F1 freebie, and/or a bad reaction to h2o2? Cut that whole one down and composted it (hopefully before it impacted the others!). I don't recall for sure if Meph strains are the only ones I've had hermie, but by far they are the most likely.

What temps does it get inside the shelter? They are 100f outside temps right?

Those are outside temps. The amount of heat bug netting traps is variable. It's influenced by breezes and sunlight -- in still air and full sunlight it can be 10º warmer, with a decent breeze and/or an overcast day it will be just a few degrees warmer.

We’re forecast a dry and sunny august. I actually can’t remember the last time we had one. Usually always wet. Parts of the UK are heading for drought.

Our usual monthly rainfall is about 80mm. We’ve had between 0-25mm :/

Climate change is brutal. There are a huge number of fires across Alaska right now and the southwest is drying up. I took some courses in system sciences and climate change, and it seems like all we're doing at this point is "rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic".


I'm still doing two stage harvests, took down the Bruce Banner tops this morning. Since everything is a roll of the dice, I like to take what's ready when it's ready before anything goes wrong with it. Doing two stage harvests means paying a little more attention to the record keeping while drying and jarring, but for me it's worth it in terms of optimizing the whole plant.

This is what's left at this point, 4 whole plants and 2 bottoms.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Dude.. 14 weeks from seed?
My brother has grown afew autos. His first one was a northern lights which was A 90 (12 weeks)day plant that finished but he fucked around the last couple weeks with his light cycle dropping it to 12/12 ( like a tard) and it got all larfy and fox tailed bad.. buds seem to not want to finish at the tops.. it
Kind of looked like yours. did you fuck around with your light schedul at all? Do any tweeking? Be honest..

No tweaking at all. Went outside and stayed there. The only thing I can think is that my security light, triggered from animals, may have affected it, with some light leakage.
No way to tweak the sun, I figure it revegged. I'll see how the lower branches come out.

 

[Ryax]

wedding cake auto outdoors
MG potting soil
no extra nutes or fertilizers

doing gelato next

then hazes

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Thanks! So far so good. One experiment I did after reading about, may or may not have worked. On the one plant that got mold, after I cut the mold away I sprayed the adjacent area with h2o2. This is the first time I've ever had a plant get bud rot and then not have it continue spreading, so that seemed to have worked... On the other hand, that plant sprouted the most nanners I've ever seen on a plant. Just weak genetics in that F1 freebie, and/or a bad reaction to h2o2? Cut that whole one down and composted it (hopefully before it impacted the others!). I don't recall for sure if Meph strains are the only ones I've had hermie, but by far they are the most likely.


Those are outside temps. The amount of heat bug netting traps is variable. It's influenced by breezes and sunlight -- in still air and full sunlight it can be 10º warmer, with a decent breeze and/or an overcast day it will be just a few degrees warmer.


Climate change is brutal. There are a huge number of fires across Alaska right now and the southwest is drying up. I took some courses in system sciences and climate change, and it seems like all we're doing at this point is "rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic".


I'm still doing two stage harvests, took down the Bruce Banner tops this morning. Since everything is a roll of the dice, I like to take what's ready when it's ready before anything goes wrong with it. Doing two stage harvests means paying a little more attention to the record keeping while drying and jarring, but for me it's worth it in terms of optimizing the whole plant.

This is what's left at this point, 4 whole plants and 2 bottoms.

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My bubbahaze did through a few nanners as well. Could a Mephisto trait lol

They are some hot temps! Nice to see your plants aren’t suffering from it tho!

I’ve just stage harvested the tops of the mimosa cake and purple punch. Mimosa could’ve gone a tad longer but I’m in awkward patch for drying and only have this week to do it for the foreseeable future. Kosher cake and green crack have a good month or so left to mature

 

[tuksu6000]

My bubbahaze did through a few nanners as well. Could a Mephisto trait lol

They are some hot temps! Nice to see your plants aren’t suffering from it tho!

I’ve just stage harvested the tops of the mimosa cake and purple punch. Mimosa could’ve gone a tad longer but I’m in awkward patch for drying and only have this week to do it for the foreseeable future. Kosher cake and green crack have a good month or so left to mature

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Very nice looking plants!