Examples of GOP Leadership

ActionianJacksonian

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Thank you. And this memorandum covers the material taken?
That's the part I admitted is speculation. That this is not published and the objecting agency also seized documents is highly suspect given the claims that this is among the material taken and that the unit involved in the seizure is currently involved in a criminal probe involving these exact documents in the Memorandum.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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His lawyers said he had returned everything. If the stuff in the boxes along with the classified material was not government material it will be returned. The FBI do not go through every page at Trump's property, they will do that at their air conditioned office.

Trump lawyer in June said classified material had been returned, New York Times reports
A lawyer for former U.S. President Donald Trump signed a statement in June that said all classified material held in boxes at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence had been returned to the government, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

The statement was signed after Jay Bratt, a top national security official in the U.S. Department of Justice, visited Trump's South Florida beach club on June 3, the New York Times reported. Bratt met with two Trump lawyers to discuss the handling of classified information during the visit, the newspaper said.

FBI agents searched Mar-a-Lago this week and removed 11 sets of classified documents including some marked as top secret, according to the Justice Department.

The existence of the Trump attorney statement suggests that Trump and his team may not have fully disclosed information about classified documents in the former president's residence, the Times reported.
trump's lawyer lied?... :o ...tell me it ain't so... :roll:
the man is a fucking traitor, and anyone assisting him in any way at this point is guilty by association.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i can't figure out if you're just stupid, if you're just trolling for fun, or if you really vehemently believe the magat infested bullshit that trump spews every time he opens his mouth?
in the end, i guess it doesn't matter. what ever it was that made you say such utterly stupid shit...you still said it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i can't figure out if you're just stupid, if you're just trolling for fun, or if you really vehemently believe the magat infested bullshit that trump spews every time he opens his mouth?
in the end, i guess it doesn't matter. what ever it was that made you say such utterly stupid shit...you still said it.
PassivianAggressionian
 

hanimmal

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Crimson Rhino is a helluva drug.
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This the indictment that got laughed out of court? There is no actual link to what it is, I can also type some stupid shit up and post it like a good cuck.



For the idiots that still think that there is nothing to the Russian military involvement with the Trump campapign.

Trump's campaign manager ADMITTED to feeding the Russian military campaign data and strategies on helping Trump win in the 2016 election. The same one that Trump later pardoned!

How fucking stupid/sad do you have to be to continue to try to pretend like there is no reason that our nation's interest were very much at risk by not investigating Trump's traitorous ass? And the investigation was kicked off by another Trump campaign minion Papadopoulous spouting off about how they had Russian help while drunk in a bar.

Can you provide a link to this declassified information in the Congressional Record please?
Your the one that provided the link dumbass.

Trump is also no longer president, he doesnt have shit to say about any classification anymore, and was still trying to pretend like he did down in a golf course with box full of information that, as a private citizen, Trump had no right to keep.


Because the declassification order was for the AG to implement the readactions and for the intelligence agency to publish the material against FBI objections.
lmao, who was AG January 19 2021?

lol cuck.

Trump didnt have one after Barr quit because Trump was going full fascist dictator after he lost the election and all his bullshit attempts to overturn his loss.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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This the indictment that got laughed out of court? There is no actual link to what it is, I can also type some stupid shit up and post it like a good cuck.



For the idiots that still think that there is nothing to the Russian military involvement with the Trump campapign.

Trump's campaign manager ADMITTED to feeding the Russian military campaign data and strategies on helping Trump win in the 2016 election. The same one that Trump later pardoned!

How fucking stupid/sad do you have to be to continue to try to pretend like there is no reason that our nation's interest were very much at risk by not investigating Trump's traitorous ass? And the investigation was kicked off by another Trump campaign minion Papadopoulous spouting off about how they had Russian help while drunk in a bar.


Your the one that provided the link dumbass.

Trump is also no longer president, he doesnt have shit to say about any classification anymore, and was still trying to pretend like he did down in a golf course with box full of information that, as a private citizen, Trump had no right to keep.



lmao, who was AG January 19 2021?

lol cuck.

Trump didnt have one after Barr quit because Trump was going full fascist dictator after he lost the election and all his bullshit attempts to overturn his loss.
Konstantin Kilimnik is not a member of the military.

Listen, don't go through with your vaginoplasty because you will never be a real woman to anyone, least of all yourself.
 

hanimmal

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Konstantin Kilimnik is not a member of the military.

Listen, don't go through with your vaginoplasty because you will never be a real woman to anyone, least of all yourself.
Putin's minions not giving him the information they got from Trump's campaign manager is what you are going to try to push?

You are a moron. It must really suck to have to be around you if you expect people to play dumb to feed your ego.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
That's the part I admitted is speculation. That this is not published and the objecting agency also seized documents is highly suspect given the claims that this is among the material taken and that the unit involved in the seizure is currently involved in a criminal probe involving these exact documents in the Memorandum.
As I said before, I had my Secret designation. I had access to some military documents in order to do my job. The documents were labelled Secret, documents labelled Secret that were declassified have markings similar to the following.


This is a fun one. "Sanitized Copy Approved For Release" in 2009. About the Russians deciding which Western vacuum tubes they want to copy.


If Trump declassifies a document it has to be written down somewhere that it is declassified and people have to go through the process of unclassifying something.

Declassification


More fun.

What Did Trump Declassify?

For better or worse, Trump’s account of his declassification authority while president isn’t entirely off base. The classification system that protects most government secrets is, in fact, a product of executive order and thus can be amended by the president. The most recent such order, Executive Order 13526, spells out detailed criteria and procedures for both classification and declassification and doesn’t give the president any direct role in the latter. Nonetheless, other presidents have directed declassification on occasion, as President Biden recently did for certain information relating to the Sept. 11 attacks. A president can also amend the rules and procedures governing declassification as he sees fit. There is thus little reason to doubt that, if Trump had wanted to declassify the documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago while he was president, he almost certainly could have done so.

The more difficult question is whether Trump actually took such a step. There are well-established procedures in place for declassification, none of which Trump appears to have pursued. Nor did Trump take any administrative steps to change or install exceptions to these rules. He also failed to issue any memorandum or executive order directing declassification, as he did in other cases through the very end of his presidency. Indeed, at present, Trump does not appear to have memorialized whatever declassification decision he may have made in any meaningful outside way. His own former national security adviser, John Bolton, has stated, “I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in [or after],” and has described Trump’s assertion that he had a standing order to declassify documents as “almost certainly a lie.”

The closest that Trump and his supporters have come to tying the documents at Mar-a-Lago to an official declassification decision has been to link them to a memorandum declassifying various documents related to the Russiagate scandal that Trump issued on Jan. 19, 2021, just before he left office. But that directive is quite explicit that it applies only to materials within a single “binder of materials” that had been provided to the White House as part of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation—not the multiple boxes of classified information removed from Mar-a-Lago, which reportedly cover a much broader range of topics. Former Trump adviser Kash Patel has also argued that Trump pursued a wave of declassifications related to various conspiracy theories in the closing days of his presidency and suggested that these may include the various records held at Mar-a-Lago. But there is no more evidence of these orders than the standing order Trump described in his statement.

The absence of any contemporaneous evidence of a declassification decision is a problem for Trump, whether he and his supporters acknowledge it or not. Trump’s failure to communicate any declassification decision to the rest of the federal government means that it still considers the documents in question to be classified—a fact that it seems to have communicated clearly to Trump and his associates during the months-long negotiations over the return of the documents that preceded the FBI’s search. If the question of classification were ever to become an issue at trial, Trump and his associates would be hard-pressed to rebut the incumbent president’s position without some evidence that Trump took steps to meaningfully declassify the records while president. Even if Trump can show that he gave some characteristic informal or verbal instruction regarding declassification, his own White House has previously disclaimed the idea that such utterances were intended to direct declassification if not followed up on through more conventional procedures, bringing their effect into serious doubt.


So, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, did it make a sound? Seems that a paper train is needed in the declassification process. Unless Trump conjures one up he may have trouble with the law.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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As I said before, I had my Secret designation. I had access to some military documents in order to do my job. The documents were labelled Secret, documents labelled Secret that were declassified have markings similar to the following.


This is a fun one. "Sanitized Copy Approved For Release" in 2009. About the Russians deciding which Western vacuum tubes they want to copy.


If Trump declassifies a document it has to be written down somewhere that it is declassified and people have to go through the process of unclassifying something.

Declassification


More fun.

What Did Trump Declassify?

For better or worse, Trump’s account of his declassification authority while president isn’t entirely off base. The classification system that protects most government secrets is, in fact, a product of executive order and thus can be amended by the president. The most recent such order, Executive Order 13526, spells out detailed criteria and procedures for both classification and declassification and doesn’t give the president any direct role in the latter. Nonetheless, other presidents have directed declassification on occasion, as President Biden recently did for certain information relating to the Sept. 11 attacks. A president can also amend the rules and procedures governing declassification as he sees fit. There is thus little reason to doubt that, if Trump had wanted to declassify the documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago while he was president, he almost certainly could have done so.

The more difficult question is whether Trump actually took such a step. There are well-established procedures in place for declassification, none of which Trump appears to have pursued. Nor did Trump take any administrative steps to change or install exceptions to these rules. He also failed to issue any memorandum or executive order directing declassification, as he did in other cases through the very end of his presidency. Indeed, at present, Trump does not appear to have memorialized whatever declassification decision he may have made in any meaningful outside way. His own former national security adviser, John Bolton, has stated, “I was never briefed on any such order, procedure, policy when I came in [or after],” and has described Trump’s assertion that he had a standing order to declassify documents as “almost certainly a lie.”

The closest that Trump and his supporters have come to tying the documents at Mar-a-Lago to an official declassification decision has been to link them to a memorandum declassifying various documents related to the Russiagate scandal that Trump issued on Jan. 19, 2021, just before he left office. But that directive is quite explicit that it applies only to materials within a single “binder of materials” that had been provided to the White House as part of the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation—not the multiple boxes of classified information removed from Mar-a-Lago, which reportedly cover a much broader range of topics. Former Trump adviser Kash Patel has also argued that Trump pursued a wave of declassifications related to various conspiracy theories in the closing days of his presidency and suggested that these may include the various records held at Mar-a-Lago. But there is no more evidence of these orders than the standing order Trump described in his statement.

The absence of any contemporaneous evidence of a declassification decision is a problem for Trump, whether he and his supporters acknowledge it or not. Trump’s failure to communicate any declassification decision to the rest of the federal government means that it still considers the documents in question to be classified—a fact that it seems to have communicated clearly to Trump and his associates during the months-long negotiations over the return of the documents that preceded the FBI’s search. If the question of classification were ever to become an issue at trial, Trump and his associates would be hard-pressed to rebut the incumbent president’s position without some evidence that Trump took steps to meaningfully declassify the records while president. Even if Trump can show that he gave some characteristic informal or verbal instruction regarding declassification, his own White House has previously disclaimed the idea that such utterances were intended to direct declassification if not followed up on through more conventional procedures, bringing their effect into serious doubt.


So, if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, did it make a sound? Seems that a paper train is needed in the declassification process. Unless Trump conjures one up he may have trouble with the law.
Right, CFR describes a process that's used by burecrats upon sole Executive directive authority. The process then cannot undermine the authority as it plainly, obviously has. Simply ignoring the Lawful order and refusing to go through the process is effectively a usurpation of veto.

A good example given the forum we are in is the CFRs Title 21 which schedules Marijuana as having no medicinal value and thus, illegal. But it is not then unlawful for Legislatures to decide otherwise because it is their authority to make law in the form of Statutes for members of society.

Of course in my Utopia, the Constitution makes cannabis perfectly Lawful by its precedent on Alcohol, which was perfectly Lawful until specifically made Unlawful by ammendment.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Putin's minions not giving him the information they got from Trump's campaign manager is what you are going to try to push?

You are a moron. It must really suck to have to be around you if you expect people to play dumb to feed your ego.
Lie more and cry more, I don't care. During your transition, we might lie too and tell you how brave and noble it is to be yourself in the best place on earth to do that because we love virtue signaling to each other.

Just know that this is at you're expense because when you're not around we acknowledge that:

You will never be a real woman, just a man trying to appropriate womanhood.

 

printer

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Right, CFR describes a process that's used by burecrats upon sole Executive directive authority. The process then cannot undermine the authority as it plainly, obviously has. Simply ignoring the Lawful order and refusing to go through the process is effectively a usurpation of veto.

A good example given the forum we are in is the CFRs Title 21 which schedules Marijuana as having no medicinal value and thus, illegal. But it is not then unlawful for Legislatures to decide otherwise because it is their authority to make law in the form of Statutes for members of society.

Of course in my Utopia, the Constitution makes cannabis perfectly Lawful by its precedent on Alcohol, which was perfectly Lawful until specifically made Unlawful by ammendment.
So you are saying Trump's administration undermined his orders?
 

hanimmal

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Lie more and cry more, I don't care. During your transition, we might lie too and tell you how brave and noble it is to be yourself in the best place on earth to do that because we love virtue signaling to each other.

Just know that this is at you're expense because when you're not around we acknowledge that:

You will never be a real woman, just a man trying to appropriate womanhood.

Wow that might actually hurt my feelings if I was someone who snowflakes about being reminded how the Proud Boy' blow one another in their mom's basement after their little hate rallies.

Anyways, keep on trolling to try to move past the fact that Trump pardoned someone who he hired (for free) to run his campaign that was smuggling data on American citizens to Putin's minions to help them attack our elections in 2016.
 

printer

Well-Known Member
Lie more and cry more, I don't care. During your transition, we might lie too and tell you how brave and noble it is to be yourself in the best place on earth to do that because we love virtue signaling to each other.

Just know that this is at you're expense because when you're not around we acknowledge that:

You will never be a real woman, just a man trying to appropriate womanhood.

"If an election for US Congress were being held today, who would you vote for in the district where you live?"

42.6% Democrat, 38.7% Republican.

 

ActionianJacksonian

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So you are saying Trump's administration undermined his orders?
Do you consider CIA administration? I do not have high hopes for the affidavit(s) for the warrant. Do you? It seems giving doj carte blanche on redaction is a way to stall unsealing for quite some time by way of process.

I find it quite curious Trumps team were not in motion to unseal also.
 

hanimmal

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Do you consider CIA administration? I do not have high hopes for the affidavit(s) for the warrant. Do you? It seems giving doj carte blanche on redaction is a way to stall unsealing for quite some time by way of process.

I find it quite curious Trumps team were not in motion to unseal also.
Yeah I mean why wouldnt they want to tell Trump exactly who and how they building a case against him and his criminal enterprise?
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Yeah I mean why wouldnt they want to tell Trump exactly who and how they building a case against him and his criminal enterprise?
I'm glad you're out in the open in condoning warrants so broad and vague that they cover anything and everything on a property and the entire property.

I'm sure you would be all for this very un-American scope of warrant should it come to your home.

Inb4 I'm not trump.org so I'm good
 

hanimmal

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I'm glad you're out in the open in condoning warrants so broad and vague that they cover anything and everything on a property and the entire property.

I'm sure you would be all for this very un-American scope of warrant should it come to your home.

Inb4 I'm not trump.org so I'm good
Yeah no worries, I wont be smuggling documents that dont belong to me out of the White House anytime soon. Especially not after selling out to foreign adversaries to cheat in a election.
 
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