2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.

DIY-HP-LED

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Analysis: Donald Trump's poll numbers are making things very awkward for Republicans
126,091 views Sep 21, 2022 Recent polls show that voters' views of Donald Trump are about as low as they were when he left office. In today’s episode of The Point, CNN’s Chris Cillizza explains why the former President's standing is serving as an anchor for Republican candidates in the midterm elections.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

Analysis: Donald Trump's poll numbers are making things very awkward for Republicans
126,091 views Sep 21, 2022 Recent polls show that voters' views of Donald Trump are about as low as they were when he left office. In today’s episode of The Point, CNN’s Chris Cillizza explains why the former President's standing is serving as an anchor for Republican candidates in the midterm elections.
While we don’t always agree, you called this one spot-on so far.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Dems have underperformed relative to the expectations for quite a while, hope they swing the other way this time. I like 538s coverage quite a bit and think it's quite good, the stats basis fits me.
all polls are based on "likely voters"...i think this year, the unlikely voters are going to make a big difference.
people are being motivated to vote against the republicans, by the republicans...
any sane women, lgbtq people, parents who are unhappy with the republican school shooting response, veterans they fucked over by voting against the pact act, actual patriots who are sickened by the maga embrace of putin and russia, actual patriots who are sickened by the actions of the magats on 1/6, anyone who isn't a religious zealot...
i think that will be the factor that makes the actual results outperform 538's predictions. i KNOW we'll win the senate. i'm pretty damn sure we'll take the house, but those races are a lot closer, with less nation wide scrutiny, and they could squeek out a very narrow win...
governors races? i'd be happy with one upset out of many possibles...if Beto beat abbott, or if Crist beats desantis, i would consider that a huge victory, but in reality, i think it will take longer to get rid of them at a state level...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Look at the latest. The immigrant stunt seems to begin to have an effect on DeSanitary. Expect more results soon as the event/poll lag is timed out.

The big unknown will be the impact of abortion on the women's vote and the polls might be unreliable in this regard. If their reaction is anything like the women of Iran, the GOP is in deep trouble. The democrats would be wise to link the struggle for women's rights there against the "morality police", to the one in America against the religious lunatics.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Look at the latest. The immigrant stunt seems to begin to have an effect on DeSanitary. Expect more results soon as the event/poll lag is timed out.

that's still a big gap in desantis's favor...and florida is where the wild magats are bred...vast swamps full of them, competing with the gators for rotten dead animals...
i'll believe desantis loses florida when Crist takes his oath of office. i think it would be a better tactic to concentrate on those states that have a much closer split between parties first, isolating as many red governors as possible, making it harder for them to cooperate with each other, making their votes less and less effective as they're slowly eliminated. when we're down to about ten republican governors, then we kick off the campaign pointing out how fucked the people of their states are, how fucked their children are...
and the ones who remain? let em, then we'll know where they are, what they're doing, and who they're trying to conspire with. intellignet people can know not to move there, not to invest there, not to work there, not to vacation there...let those states slowly wither and financially die.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The big unknown will be the impact of abortion on the women's vote and the polls might be unreliable in this regard. If their reaction is anything like the women of Iran, the GOP is in deep trouble. The democrats would be wise to link the struggle for women's rights there against the "morality police", to the one in America against the religious lunatics.
I’m gonna wait a week. The immigrant shenanigan betrayed a depth of dishonest and high-handed practice that will probably show in the next days of polling.

Not to put too fine a point on it —we ain’t Iran. Yet.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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that's still a big gap in desantis's favor...and florida is where the wild magats are bred...vast swamps full of them, competing with the gators for rotten dead animals...
i'll believe desantis loses florida when Crist takes his oath of office. i think it would be a better tactic to concentrate on those states that have a much closer split between parties first, isolating as many red governors as possible, making it harder for them to cooperate with each other, making their votes less and less effective as they're slowly eliminated. when we're down to about ten republican governors, then we kick off the campaign pointing out how fucked the people of their states are, how fucked their children are...
and the ones who remain? let em, then we'll know where they are, what they're doing, and who they're trying to conspire with. intellignet people can know not to move there, not to invest there, not to work there, not to vacation there...let those states slowly wither and financially die.
Georgia, Florida and Texas are all vulnerable for red statewide offices and if Texas goes blue it makes fucking with the 2024 election a lot harder and if Texas went blue the GOP can forget the presidency. Margins are not that great in many races and an influx of mostly young unlikely voters could tip the balance, abortion is an issue that affects young women the most and they have male friends and relatives. The democrats don't need the "youth vote", just a small increase in turn out would do it because most young people don't normally vote. Say the republicans wanted to draft young men for an unpopular war, would that bring out the youth vote?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I’m gonna wait a week. The immigrant shenanigan betrayed a depth of dishonest and high-handed practice that will probably show in the next days of polling.

Not to put too fine a point on it —we ain’t Iran. Yet.
Every one of their fuck ups adds up, but the GOP appear to be the most worried about abortion.

Yer right, yer not Iran, they have more liberal abortion laws...
 

HGCC

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that's still a big gap in desantis's favor...and florida is where the wild magats are bred...vast swamps full of them, competing with the gators for rotten dead animals...
i'll believe desantis loses florida when Crist takes his oath of office. i think it would be a better tactic to concentrate on those states that have a much closer split between parties first, isolating as many red governors as possible, making it harder for them to cooperate with each other, making their votes less and less effective as they're slowly eliminated. when we're down to about ten republican governors, then we kick off the campaign pointing out how fucked the people of their states are, how fucked their children are...
and the ones who remain? let em, then we'll know where they are, what they're doing, and who they're trying to conspire with. intellignet people can know not to move there, not to invest there, not to work there, not to vacation there...let those states slowly wither and financially die.
Florida seems like a lost cause, it is what it is...and what it is is the floppy dong of America out in public embarrassing all of us.

I think they should target MI and PA, with the idea of trying to sway OH and WI. Hit jobs and economy.
 

printer

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Project Veritas loses case to Democratic consulting firm
A jury has ordered the conservative media organization Project Veritas to pay $120,000 after finding it liable for wiretapping and misrepresentation following a yearslong court battle over the outlet’s undercover operation targeting a Democratic consulting firm.
The 2017 lawsuit from Democracy Partners, its founder Robert Creamer and Strategic Consulting Group, a member of Democracy Partners, alleged that Daniel Sandini, an employee of Project Veritas, met with Creamer in July 2016, identifying himself as “Charles Roth,” a potential donor to a liberal advocacy group.

Sandini told him that he has a niece named “Angela Brandt” who wanted to volunteer for Democratic candidates or organizations, per the suit.
Democracy Partners eventually chose Brandt to be an intern but later learned after the internship ended that her real name is Allison Maass and she was an employee of Project Veritas, according to the complaint. The firm argued that Maass repeatedly lied to Creamer about her identity and background and her intent in wanting the internship.

Maass carried a concealed camera and an audio recording device to spy on Democracy Partners and gain information for Project Veritas to use to embarrass the firm and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, according to the complaint.
Project Veritas then released four videos based on conversations Maass had with Creamer and other Democracy Partners staff that the plaintiffs alleged were “heavily edited” to cause viewers to reach false conclusions about the firm and Clinton.
The firm said it lost clients as a result of the videos, in which Project Veritas alleged Democracy Partners wanted to incite violence to occur at then-candidate Donald Trump’s rallies.

The jury ruled that Maass’s primary purpose in using hidden camera recordings was to “commit a breach of fiduciary duty” and that the defendants committed fraudulent misrepresentation against Strategic Consulting Group.

The $120,000 is for the misrepresentation. The judge will determine damages for the wiretapping.
Project Veritas has been known for sending employees undercover in media organizations and liberal-leaning groups. It has faced criticism for its tactics in the past.

Creamer said in a statement after the ruling that he hopes it will discourage James O’Keefe, the founder of Project Veritas, and others from conducting “these kinds of political spy operations – and publishing selectively edited, misleading videos in the future.”

Project Veritas announced its intention to appeal the ruling after the decision came out.

O’Keefe said that the jury effectively ruled that investigative journalists owe a fiduciary duty to those they are investigating and that they cannot deceive their subjects.
“Journalism is on trial, and Project Veritas will continue to fight for every journalist’s right to news gather, investigate, and expose wrongdoing – regardless of how powerful the investigated party may be,” he said. “Project Veritas will not be intimidated.”

The organization said it has continually refused to settle the case out of court because it did not do anything wrong. The jury did rule in favor of Project Veritas on one claim that alleged Maass committed wiretapping in recording oral communications as she was a participant in those conversations.
 
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