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[Roger A. Shrubber]

Almost as quick as confirming a MAGA SC judge.
Deadlines for consideration of laws on annexation of Donbass and regions of Ukraine announced
The State Duma has announced the deadlines for considering laws on the entry of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions into Russia . This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the lower house of the Russian parliament.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, bills on the entry of these territories into the Russian Federation can be submitted to the State Duma on the evening of September 28. He added that their consideration could take place at an extraordinary meeting of the House of Parliament on September 29.

On September 23, referendums began in the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions on the issue of joining Russia as subjects. Voting will last until September 27 inclusive.

Названы сроки рассмотрения законов о присоединении Донбасса и областей Украины

В Госдуме назвали сроки рассмотрения законопроектов о вхождении Донецкой и Луганской народных республик (ДНР и ЛНР), а также Херсонской и Запорожской областей в состав России. По словам источника в нижней палате парламента, документы могут внести туда вечером 28 сентября, а рассмотреть на...

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Actually a good idea. If half the people watching the Russian citizens up and leave for Ukraine the home population will never have a better chance of throwing off their shackles.
Kadyrov proposed to mobilize half of the employees of law enforcement agencies
The head of Chechnya , Ramzan Kadyrov , proposed mobilizing half of the employees of law enforcement agencies, the total number of which is about 5 million people, to participate in a special military operation. He wrote about this in Telegram .

“Even if we exclude reservists from the equation, we still have a colossal staff of employees who, one way or another, have good physical training and weapons skills: the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the FSPP, the FSB , the FSO, the SVR , the UFSIN , the FTS, the Prosecutor’s Office, the UK,” Kadyrov added.

According to him, if you leave half of the staff in office, the other half in the amount of 2.5 million people "will demolish any Western army." The heads of these departments could now begin to optimize the work process, taking into account innovations, the head of the republic concluded.

Earlier, Kadyrov commented on the actions of the Russians who are leaving the country due to the announced mobilization. According to the head of Chechnya, dodgers standing in line at the airport are a pitiful sight.

Кадыров предложил мобилизовать половину сотрудников силовых ведомств

Глава Чечни Рамзан Кадыров предложил мобилизовать для участия в специальной военной операции половину сотрудников силовых ведомств. Руководители этих подразделений в настоящее время могли бы приступить к оптимизации рабочего процесса с учетом нововведений, заключил глава республики.

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all it took to make russia look incredibly pathetic was an opportunity...
if they take away half of the law enforcement officers in russia to fight and die, the few survivors won't have a country to come home to, it will all have been either stolen and sold on ebay, or burned to the ground to destroy draft records...

 

[cannabineer]

all it took to make russia look incredibly pathetic was an opportunity...
if they take away half of the law enforcement officers in russia to fight and die, the few survivors won't have a country to come home to, it will all have been either stolen and sold on ebay, or burned to the ground to destroy draft records...

There are three million law enforcement officers in Russia for a total population of 145 million.

The US (pop. 332 million) has less than a million of’em.

This suggests that removing half of them to the front might lead to some very interesting internal events throughout Russia.

Sending a million-plus cops, whose tactical training is probably way better than that of the army, could put the big hurt on Ukraine, which is probably not ready for much additional strain. If the cop infantry aren’t quickly called back to deal with a storm of sedition back home, it will be imperative for the West to supply Ukraine the weapons and other aid to grind up Russia’s actual elite.

At which point the Russian command structure either goes all in with nukes (which would bring a crushing response from Nato) or gets called out of the game.

I imagine the Pentagon has gamed this one out, and has a graded set of response plans in place and being updated regularly.

 

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Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums
Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

“Russia must be held accountable for its further attempts to change Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders in a violation of the UN Charter,” Nikolenko said.
The illegal voting on joining Russia started in these four regions on Sept. 23 and will run through Sept. 27.

Earlier on Sept. 24, Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing an unnamed source in the Russian parliament, that Moscow may "annex" Ukraine's partially occupied oblasts on Sept. 30, following sham referendums there.

Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. “Russia must be held accountable for its...

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Russian Foreign Minister: Zelensky threatened to use nuclear weapons even before the special operation
Lavrov: Zelensky was the first to "throw" the issue of the use of nuclear weapons

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky was the first to raise the issue of Kyiv's possession of nuclear weapons. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke about this.

“In January of this year, Zelensky, long before the start of a special military operation, said in one of his speeches that he spoke a lot and continues to do so, which was a big mistake for Ukraine to abandon nuclear weapons when the Soviet Union collapsed. This topic was thrown into his conversations about how to regulate the problems that arise in Ukraine, ”Lavrov said at a press conference following his participation in the 77th session of the UN General Assembly. The broadcast was on the youtube channel of the organization.

Lavrov clarified that the cases of the use of nuclear weapons are prescribed in the doctrine of nuclear security of the Russian Federation. “As for Russia, […] we have a doctrine of our nuclear security, […] I invite you to look again at absolutely clearly defined cases when we are allowed to use nuclear weapons,” the diplomat said. According to him, the entire territory of Russia is under the full protection of the state.

Глава МИД РФ: Зеленский угрожал применением ядерного оружия еще до спецоперации

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[cannabineer]

Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums
Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

“Russia must be held accountable for its further attempts to change Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders in a violation of the UN Charter,” Nikolenko said.
The illegal voting on joining Russia started in these four regions on Sept. 23 and will run through Sept. 27.

Earlier on Sept. 24, Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing an unnamed source in the Russian parliament, that Moscow may "annex" Ukraine's partially occupied oblasts on Sept. 30, following sham referendums there.

Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. “Russia must be held accountable for its...

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Russian Foreign Minister: Zelensky threatened to use nuclear weapons even before the special operation
Lavrov: Zelensky was the first to "throw" the issue of the use of nuclear weapons

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky was the first to raise the issue of Kyiv's possession of nuclear weapons. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke about this.

“In January of this year, Zelensky, long before the start of a special military operation, said in one of his speeches that he spoke a lot and continues to do so, which was a big mistake for Ukraine to abandon nuclear weapons when the Soviet Union collapsed. This topic was thrown into his conversations about how to regulate the problems that arise in Ukraine, ”Lavrov said at a press conference following his participation in the 77th session of the UN General Assembly. The broadcast was on the youtube channel of the organization.

Lavrov clarified that the cases of the use of nuclear weapons are prescribed in the doctrine of nuclear security of the Russian Federation. “As for Russia, […] we have a doctrine of our nuclear security, […] I invite you to look again at absolutely clearly defined cases when we are allowed to use nuclear weapons,” the diplomat said. According to him, the entire territory of Russia is under the full protection of the state.

Глава МИД РФ: Зеленский угрожал применением ядерного оружия еще до спецоперации

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I wonder whose nuclear weapons Zelenskyy threatened to “throw”.

 

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I wonder whose nuclear weapons Zelenskyy threatened to “throw”.

Please, no need for logic at this point.

 

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Zelensky offers guarantees for Russian soldiers who surrender
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Saturday offered guaranteed protections to Russian soldiers who surrender amid the conflict between the countries after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced he was calling up 300,000 reservists to replenish Russian forces.

Appealing directly to Russians during an address, Zelensky said Ukraine could guarantee three terms to Russian soldiers in exchange for their surrender. He said such Russians will be treated in a civilized manner, the circumstances of their surrender will remain undisclosed and Ukraine will find a way to ensure those who do not want to return to Russia are not exchanged.

Putin announced the call ups on Wednesday as Ukraine pushes Russian forces back from territory they captured during the war. Ukraine has undertaken a major counteroffensive this month through which it has recaptured thousands of square kilometers of territory.

Putin’s announcement sparked protests nationwide in Russia and led to more than 1,000 arrests. Flights out of the country sold out or their prices soared after Russia called up another round of soldiers, marking the first such mobilization since World War II.

Zelensky said Russian authorities are aware they are sending citizens to their deaths but do not have any other option at this stage of the war.
The Pentagon said last month that Russia has seen 70,000 to 80,000 casualties since its war in Ukraine began in February.

“Russian commanders do not care about the lives of Russians. They just need to replenish the empty spaces left by the dead, wounded, those who fled or the Russian soldiers that were captured,” Zelensky said.

He said every Russian citizen knows that Russia is the one bringing “evil” even if they do not admit it. He told Russians that surrendering to Ukrainian captivity is better than being killed in the war.

“So, the key moment has come for you: right now it is being decided whether your life will end or not,” Zelensky said.
Putin reportedly signed laws on Saturday strengthening the penalty for Russian soldiers who voluntarily surrender to up to 10 years in prison. Those who refuse to engage in combat will also face 10 years imprisonment.

Zelensky offers guarantees for Russian soldiers who surrender

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Saturday offered guaranteed protections to Russian soldiers who surrender amid the conflict between the countries after Russian President Vladimir Putin an…

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[Roger A. Shrubber]

There are three million law enforcement officers in Russia for a total population of 145 million.

The US (pop. 332 million) has less than a million of’em.

This suggests that removing half of them to the front might lead to some very interesting internal events throughout Russia.

Sending a million-plus cops, whose tactical training is probably way better than that of the army, could put the big hurt on Ukraine, which is probably not ready for much additional strain. If the cop infantry aren’t quickly called back to deal with a storm of sedition back home, it will be imperative for the West to supply Ukraine the weapons and other aid to grind up Russia’s actual elite.

At which point the Russian command structure either goes all in with nukes (which would bring a crushing response from Nato) or gets called out of the game.

I imagine the Pentagon has gamed this one out, and has a graded set of response plans in place and being updated regularly.

they may have a little better training than the average schmuck being drafted, but they're still going to get substandard gear, shitty incompetent officers, have to deal with poor logistics...they may last 3 or 4 days, where the average piece of cannon fodder might only last 1 day...
it takes about 10 weeks to go through basic training for American soldiers, and then most of them go on to specialization training, which can take from 4 to 20 weeks...
the russians are getting something like ten days, then they're issued old shitty weapons, ineffective body armor, assigned to a decades old tank or apc, and sent off to test their luck...which is almost universally bad.

 

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they may have a little better training than the average schmuck being drafted, but they're still going to get substandard gear, shitty incompetent officers, have to deal with poor logistics...they may last 3 or 4 days, where the average piece of cannon fodder might only last 1 day...
it takes about 10 weeks to go through basic training for American soldiers, and then most of them go on to specialization training, which can take from 4 to 20 weeks...
the russians are getting something like ten days, then they're issued old shitty weapons, ineffective body armor, assigned to a decades old tank or apc, and sent off to test their luck...which is almost universally bad.

At best they can be used deep behind the lines but if Ukraine breaks through again the same result will happen as before, these will be running for the hills. Mind you, Putin has increased the penalties for surrendering.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

At best they can be used deep behind the lines but if Ukraine breaks through again the same result will happen as before, these will be running for the hills. Mind you, Putin has increased the penalties for surrendering.

it still seems like the best option for them to me...they surrender, get to sit out the war in relative safety and comfort, then go home to a russia that will be desperately short of young men. it seems somehow unlikely that putin will be present to demand any punitive action at that point, and if he is still around, will he be able to afford jailing thousand of men that he desperately needs to run what's left of his country?

 

[cannabineer]

At best they can be used deep behind the lines but if Ukraine breaks through again the same result will happen as before, these will be running for the hills. Mind you, Putin has increased the penalties for surrendering.

I see them used as the backstop for штрафбат (penal battalions like Stalin used, unvarnished cannon fodder), for which they seem quite well-suited.

 

[BudmanTX]

Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums
Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

“Russia must be held accountable for its further attempts to change Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders in a violation of the UN Charter,” Nikolenko said.
The illegal voting on joining Russia started in these four regions on Sept. 23 and will run through Sept. 27.

Earlier on Sept. 24, Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing an unnamed source in the Russian parliament, that Moscow may "annex" Ukraine's partially occupied oblasts on Sept. 30, following sham referendums there.

Ukraine calls for UN Security Council emergency meeting over Russia’s sham referendums

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oleg Nikolenko said on Sept. 24 that Ukraine “has requested an urgent meeting” of the UN Security Council over Russia’s sham referendums in the occupied parts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. “Russia must be held accountable for its...

kyivindependent.com

Russian Foreign Minister: Zelensky threatened to use nuclear weapons even before the special operation
Lavrov: Zelensky was the first to "throw" the issue of the use of nuclear weapons

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky was the first to raise the issue of Kyiv's possession of nuclear weapons. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke about this.

“In January of this year, Zelensky, long before the start of a special military operation, said in one of his speeches that he spoke a lot and continues to do so, which was a big mistake for Ukraine to abandon nuclear weapons when the Soviet Union collapsed. This topic was thrown into his conversations about how to regulate the problems that arise in Ukraine, ”Lavrov said at a press conference following his participation in the 77th session of the UN General Assembly. The broadcast was on the youtube channel of the organization.

Lavrov clarified that the cases of the use of nuclear weapons are prescribed in the doctrine of nuclear security of the Russian Federation. “As for Russia, […] we have a doctrine of our nuclear security, […] I invite you to look again at absolutely clearly defined cases when we are allowed to use nuclear weapons,” the diplomat said. According to him, the entire territory of Russia is under the full protection of the state.

Глава МИД РФ: Зеленский угрожал применением ядерного оружия еще до спецоперации

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U mean the ones they gave back to de-nuclearize, those...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

U mean the ones they gave back to de-nuclearize, those...

yeah, these...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I think he will drop a Nuke and then be assassinated. It’s like, why wait, can someone please kill him already. This is going nowhere for your country comrades. Step up and be a hero.

 

[BudmanTX]

yeah, these...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Yep, story goes Russia’s came down and picked them up and moved them, other than that idk, and who knows could be bs...and also without proper care who knows they're even viable...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Yep, story goes Russia’s came down and picked them up and moved them, other than that idk, and who knows could be bs...and also without proper care who knows they're even viable...

oh, they came and got them...but i do kind of share the "without proper care" point of view...this all happened in 94, and who knows how long the stuff sat in Ukraine before they gave it to the russians? so the newest any of it could possibly be is 30 years, and i'm guessing older than that, and shoddy maintenance at best...i'd be surprised if 50% of them operated at all, and if more than 50% of those would actually take off without exploding.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I think he will drop a Nuke and then be assassinated. It’s like, why wait, can someone please kill him already. This is going nowhere for your country comrades. Step up and be a hero.

well, see, the problem is, that him dropping that nuke will kill potentially hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, but also whoever is downwind of the fallout...and then NATO will HAVE to retaliate, and depending upon the required severity, a fair size chunk of Europe will be a sheet of radioactive glass, and there will be a lot of disease, fucked up kids being born...

why the fuck do i have to be the voice of reason? talk about operating outside of your comfort zone...

 

[cannabineer]

well, see, the problem is, that him dropping that nuke will kill potentially hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, but also whoever is downwind of the fallout...and then NATO will HAVE to retaliate, and depending upon the required severity, a fair size chunk of Europe will be a sheet of radioactive glass, and there will be a lot of disease, fucked up kids being born...

why the fuck do i have to be the voice of reason? talk about operating outside of your comfort zone...

The “sheet of glass” thing is hyperbole. Look at the two cities in Japan: airbursts don’t even crater. Large areas denuded of buildings are bad enough.

There is imo a bigger threat with ambiguous response options: a near-space detonation (initiation in milspeak). The following article suggests a quick way to ruin Musk as he builds out Starlitter.

It does not address the great white in the swimming pool: electromagnetic pulse on the surface. William Firstchen wrote a scary book about just such an attack. I am unable to estimate how much the book and its sequels exaggerate the consequences.

Bottom line is that nuclear war may not be what most of us think.

Getting Serious about the Threat of High Altitude Nuclear Detonations - War on the Rocks

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[Roger A. Shrubber]

The “sheet of glass” thing is hyperbole. Look at the two cities in Japan: airbursts don’t even crater. Large areas denuded of buildings are bad enough.

There is imo a bigger threat with ambiguous response options: a near-space detonation (initiation in milspeak). The following article suggests a quick way to ruin Musk as he builds out Starlitter.

It does not address the great white in the swimming pool: electromagnetic pulse on the surface. William Firstchen wrote a scary book about just such an attack. I am unable to estimate how much the book and its sequels exaggerate the consequences.

Bottom line is that nuclear war may not be what most of us think.

Getting Serious about the Threat of High Altitude Nuclear Detonations - War on the Rocks

We are seeking to fill two positions on our editorial team: An editor/researcher and a membership editor. Apply by Oct. 2, 2022. Aurora Borealis is the

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One Second After - Wikipedia

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yes, it is hyperbole...but it might as well be true, for all the good that ground will be for the next few decades.
hopefully, the scale of exchange won't be anywhere near enough to cause any climate change, or to cause massive disruptions in electronic equipment. this is a guess, but i would be very surprised if all of the newer equipment the Ukrainians have been given doesn't have hardened circuitry, and a simple restart would be all that is required to recover from an emp blast

 

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