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Roger A. Shrubber

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This hasn’t been getting much play:

their stock market had room to fall? i would have thought it was already at rock bottom.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i can't believe russia ever got UN membership...
i can't think of one single time in my life more than 4 or 5 month long that russia hasn't been dealing with some kind of scandalous shit, mostly about oppressing or eliminating ethnic populations inside their own country...
it might cause a lot of chaos initially, but russia dissolving into 12 or even 20 rump states couldn't be any worse than the shit they're doing now. NATO would just have to take control until all the nuclear weapons are secured, then withdraw, let them work out their differences themselves, our only rule should be no war crimes, no genocide...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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printer

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Speaking from ignorance — how?
The Chinese people have invested a ton of money into building ghost cities that have no inhabitants. At some point where the music stops and people look for chairs to sit in they will find none. The economy has been boosted by the construction of them, at some point there will be a collapse. We might not be directly exposed but a meltdown there might mess up our supply chains. Also if there was a major depression there the Chinese will not be buying as many raw materials depressing our economies.
 

printer

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i can't believe russia ever got UN membership...
i can't think of one single time in my life more than 4 or 5 month long that russia hasn't been dealing with some kind of scandalous shit, mostly about oppressing or eliminating ethnic populations inside their own country...
it might cause a lot of chaos initially, but russia dissolving into 12 or even 20 rump states couldn't be any worse than the shit they're doing now. NATO would just have to take control until all the nuclear weapons are secured, then withdraw, let them work out their differences themselves, our only rule should be no war crimes, no genocide...
Nato taking control of the nukes? Putin has been feeding that Nato wants to invade Russia and then make it true? That would be nuclear war time.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The Chinese people have invested a ton of money into building ghost cities that have no inhabitants. At some point where the music stops and people look for chairs to sit in they will find none. The economy has been boosted by the construction of them, at some point there will be a collapse. We might not be directly exposed but a meltdown there might mess up our supply chains. Also if there was a major depression there the Chinese will not be buying as many raw materials depressing our economies.
Can you point me to an analysis of the economic hazard?
 

printer

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The Kremlin revealed who is behind the shooting at the Izhevsk school
The man who shot at one of the schools in Izhevsk belonged to a neo-fascist organization. This statement was made by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

“Tragic news from Izhevsk. Russian President Vladimir Putin deeply mourns over the deaths of people and children at the school where the attack took place. The person [who carried out the attack] appears to belong to a neo-fascist organization,” he said at a conference call.

An unknown man opened fire at a school in Izhevsk on the morning of September 26. According to preliminary data, the attacker committed suicide. According to the TFR, the number of victims at the moment is 13 people, among the dead are seven children.

The attacker on the school in Izhevsk was registered with a psychiatrist
The man who shot at a school in Izhevsk on the afternoon of September 26 was registered at a psychoneurological dispensary. This statement was made by the head of Udmurtia Alexander Brechalov.

“The attacker on the school in Izhevsk was registered with the PND,” he commented. His words are quoted by the RT telegram channel.

Earlier, investigators identified the identity of the criminal who attacked school No. 88. It turned out to be a graduate of an educational institution, Nation News reports . The media report that his name is Artem Kazantsev, according to TV channel 360. It was also reported that he was not registered for possession of weapons.

The man opened fire in one of the schools in the city, after which he committed suicide. It is known about 14 dead, including both children and adults.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Nato taking control of the nukes? Putin has been feeding that Nato wants to invade Russia and then make it true? That would be nuclear war time.
everything i just described takes place after the fall of the current shitpire....when Ukraine stomps their guts out through their noses, and putin has been thrown out of at least one window (i can see some wanting to cart his dead, broken ass back to the top floor for their own chance to throw him off.) there are at least 20 rump states that would come into existance, and someone would have to step in and seize all that shit, or someone like kadyrov of that fucking turk thief erdogan would get their hands on them and we'd have the same scenario in miniature 20 times over
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The Kremlin revealed who is behind the shooting at the Izhevsk school
The man who shot at one of the schools in Izhevsk belonged to a neo-fascist organization. This statement was made by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

“Tragic news from Izhevsk. Russian President Vladimir Putin deeply mourns over the deaths of people and children at the school where the attack took place. The person [who carried out the attack] appears to belong to a neo-fascist organization,” he said at a conference call.

An unknown man opened fire at a school in Izhevsk on the morning of September 26. According to preliminary data, the attacker committed suicide. According to the TFR, the number of victims at the moment is 13 people, among the dead are seven children.

The attacker on the school in Izhevsk was registered with a psychiatrist
The man who shot at a school in Izhevsk on the afternoon of September 26 was registered at a psychoneurological dispensary. This statement was made by the head of Udmurtia Alexander Brechalov.

“The attacker on the school in Izhevsk was registered with the PND,” he commented. His words are quoted by the RT telegram channel.

Earlier, investigators identified the identity of the criminal who attacked school No. 88. It turned out to be a graduate of an educational institution, Nation News reports . The media report that his name is Artem Kazantsev, according to TV channel 360. It was also reported that he was not registered for possession of weapons.

The man opened fire in one of the schools in the city, after which he committed suicide. It is known about 14 dead, including both children and adults.
i don't believe a word of that...i don't have an alternative theory, it's just that when you lie every fucking time you open your mouth, i don't belive you anymore...i don't believe one fucking word i see any russian say anywhere...if we're outside at noon and a russian tells me it's sunny, i'll take my sunglasses off to confirm it, myself...
and it conveniently gives them someone to blame, and something for those waiting for draft papers to think about besides wondering how long they'll survive once sent to the front.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I have read a few things in the past, hard to know what the real picture is in China.

they could have spent those billions of dollars improving conditions for those whose homes need repair and modernization, instead of building ghost cities...i don't even understand the reasoning behind building a city you don't have the population to populate...¿
 

printer

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‘Huge problem:’ Iranian drones pose new threat to Ukraine
It was a little over a week ago that Iranian drones first began appearing in the skies over Ukraine.

Andriana Arekhta, a junior sergeant with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, said the drones flew from Crimea to attack her special forces unit fighting near the southern city of Kherson. The drones evaded the soldiers’ defenses and dropped bombs on their position, destroying two tanks with their crews inside.

“It’s very difficult to see these drones on radars,” said Arekhta, who traveled to Washington, D.C., last week as part of a delegation of female Ukrainian soldiers. “It’s a huge problem.”

Over the past week, Russia has deployed Shahed and Mohajer combat drones imported from Iran in greater numbers across Ukraine, with devastating results. Some hit combat positions, smashing tanks and armored vehicles, while others struck civilian infrastructure, including in the port city of Odesa.

In his nightly address on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country’s anti-aircraft forces had shot down more than a dozen drones in the eastern Dnipropetrovsk region and Odesa. The Ukrainian Air Force identified them as Shahed-136 kamikaze drones and Mohajer-6 drones that carry munitions and can also be used for reconnaissance.

But in interviews, a Ukrainian activist and three soldiers said the Iranian drones pose a major threat to both fighters and civilians. Their arrival on the battlefield makes the need for the West to send additional modern weaponry even more urgent, as Kyiv tries to seize on recent gains to retake as much territory as possible before winter sets in, they said.

The Iranian drones appear to be a potential game-changer for the Russians. They are relatively small and fly at low altitude, evading Ukrainian radars. Arekhta said she could shoot them down with Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, but only during the day because the U.S.-provided weapons do not come with a night-vision system.

Ukraine needs modern air defenses, such as the Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar systems the U.S. used in Afghanistan, and 360-degree radar to counter the new threat, the visiting group said.

“I need to be in position against Russian helicopters on one side and Iranian drones came from another side,” Arekhta said. “It’s very hard to close the huge area with Stingers, with other weapons that can hit these drones.”

In the northeast, Ukrainian soldiers are trying to retake ground using Toyotas and other civilian cars — which are particularly vulnerable to drone attack — because their old armored vehicles were destroyed, Chobaniuk said.

The old Soviet-era tanks Kyiv operates have a myriad of problems, Arekhta said. The soldiers frequently get error messages when using the aiming system and there is no fire protection system, forcing them to use a small fire extinguisher on the outside of the tank if they are hit. The tanks don’t connect to the soldiers’ Western-provided radios, so Arekhta has to use her cell phone to communicate. In the winter, “Soviet tank doesn’t work at all,” she said.

Kyiv needs modern tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Humvees to help Ukraine’s forces advance in the face of heavy Russian artillery, the soldiers said.

While there are questions about the quality of the soldiers Putin has called up, Russia will use the colder months, when fighting typically slows, to train and equip them, the Ukrainian soldiers said. “If we give them that time, in spring there will be an epic battle — another epic battle,” said Daria Zubenko, a senior sergeant who has served as a paramedic and sniper.

Ukraine could use the winter to train its forces on more advanced weapons that the West has not yet greenlighted — for instance, modern battle tanks and fighter jets, Kaleniuk said. The Ukrainian Armed Forces two weeks ago submitted an official letter of request asking for either used or new fighter jets, and its air force has identified a few dozen pilots who speak English and are prepared to begin training immediately, she said.

But modern tanks and jets may be little more than a pipe dream, at least for now. Although Pentagon officials have left the door open to sending Kyiv the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jet, top generals said the planes wouldn’t arrive for years after any political decision was made to donate them.
“I’m really fed up of losing my friends,” Arekhta said. “Sometimes I just say ‘happy birthday’ on social media, on Facebook, and the answer is: ‘he is dead.’ ”
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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‘Huge problem:’ Iranian drones pose new threat to Ukraine
It was a little over a week ago that Iranian drones first began appearing in the skies over Ukraine.

Andriana Arekhta, a junior sergeant with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, said the drones flew from Crimea to attack her special forces unit fighting near the southern city of Kherson. The drones evaded the soldiers’ defenses and dropped bombs on their position, destroying two tanks with their crews inside.

“It’s very difficult to see these drones on radars,” said Arekhta, who traveled to Washington, D.C., last week as part of a delegation of female Ukrainian soldiers. “It’s a huge problem.”

Over the past week, Russia has deployed Shahed and Mohajer combat drones imported from Iran in greater numbers across Ukraine, with devastating results. Some hit combat positions, smashing tanks and armored vehicles, while others struck civilian infrastructure, including in the port city of Odesa.

In his nightly address on Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said his country’s anti-aircraft forces had shot down more than a dozen drones in the eastern Dnipropetrovsk region and Odesa. The Ukrainian Air Force identified them as Shahed-136 kamikaze drones and Mohajer-6 drones that carry munitions and can also be used for reconnaissance.

But in interviews, a Ukrainian activist and three soldiers said the Iranian drones pose a major threat to both fighters and civilians. Their arrival on the battlefield makes the need for the West to send additional modern weaponry even more urgent, as Kyiv tries to seize on recent gains to retake as much territory as possible before winter sets in, they said.

The Iranian drones appear to be a potential game-changer for the Russians. They are relatively small and fly at low altitude, evading Ukrainian radars. Arekhta said she could shoot them down with Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, but only during the day because the U.S.-provided weapons do not come with a night-vision system.

Ukraine needs modern air defenses, such as the Counter-Rocket, Artillery and Mortar systems the U.S. used in Afghanistan, and 360-degree radar to counter the new threat, the visiting group said.

“I need to be in position against Russian helicopters on one side and Iranian drones came from another side,” Arekhta said. “It’s very hard to close the huge area with Stingers, with other weapons that can hit these drones.”

In the northeast, Ukrainian soldiers are trying to retake ground using Toyotas and other civilian cars — which are particularly vulnerable to drone attack — because their old armored vehicles were destroyed, Chobaniuk said.

The old Soviet-era tanks Kyiv operates have a myriad of problems, Arekhta said. The soldiers frequently get error messages when using the aiming system and there is no fire protection system, forcing them to use a small fire extinguisher on the outside of the tank if they are hit. The tanks don’t connect to the soldiers’ Western-provided radios, so Arekhta has to use her cell phone to communicate. In the winter, “Soviet tank doesn’t work at all,” she said.

Kyiv needs modern tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Humvees to help Ukraine’s forces advance in the face of heavy Russian artillery, the soldiers said.

While there are questions about the quality of the soldiers Putin has called up, Russia will use the colder months, when fighting typically slows, to train and equip them, the Ukrainian soldiers said. “If we give them that time, in spring there will be an epic battle — another epic battle,” said Daria Zubenko, a senior sergeant who has served as a paramedic and sniper.

Ukraine could use the winter to train its forces on more advanced weapons that the West has not yet greenlighted — for instance, modern battle tanks and fighter jets, Kaleniuk said. The Ukrainian Armed Forces two weeks ago submitted an official letter of request asking for either used or new fighter jets, and its air force has identified a few dozen pilots who speak English and are prepared to begin training immediately, she said.

But modern tanks and jets may be little more than a pipe dream, at least for now. Although Pentagon officials have left the door open to sending Kyiv the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jet, top generals said the planes wouldn’t arrive for years after any political decision was made to donate them.
“I’m really fed up of losing my friends,” Arekhta said. “Sometimes I just say ‘happy birthday’ on social media, on Facebook, and the answer is: ‘he is dead.’ ”
this seems like a good time to let iran share in the sanctions placed on russia...the full fucking package, seized assets, expelled diplomats, embargoed parts and supplies...let the fuckers eat oil...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
they could have spent those billions of dollars improving conditions for those whose homes need repair and modernization, instead of building ghost cities...i don't even understand the reasoning behind building a city you don't have the population to populate...¿
Part of it is the odd way development law is structured in China.
I suspect that the correction will be incremental and not catastrophic. Our economy, about 4/3 as big as China’s, weathered both the Lehman event and that man’s $1.9t tax giveaway with definite but not crashy consequences.

The one good thing to come of this is a slowing of the Belt And Road initiative. China is pursuing the modern version of mercantilism in Africa and other emerging nations, and in time they *could* become a politicoeconomic force greater than the G8.

Now to avoid a shooting war with them over Taiwan and their designs on bases in the South China Sea snugged up against Indonesia and the Philippines …
 

printer

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Part of it is the odd way development law is structured in China.
I suspect that the correction will be incremental and not catastrophic. Our economy, about 4/3 as big as China’s, weathered both the Lehman event and that man’s $1.9t tax giveaway with definite but not crashy consequences.

The one good thing to come of this is a slowing of the Belt And Road initiative. China is pursuing the modern version of mercantilism in Africa and other emerging nations, and in time they *could* become a politicoeconomic force greater than the G8.

Now to avoid a shooting war with them over Taiwan and their designs on bases in the South China Sea snugged up against Indonesia and the Philippines …
I have little faith in how open China is as far as showing us the true nature of their financial system. Western banks wanted to get in on the action, it is a good thing we are still not integrated with them.
 
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