DIY-HP-LED
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One also needs to remember conditions and the state of the Russian mobiks. They could be losing large numbers of men to frost bite and hypothermia, it could be killing more of them than the Ukrainians.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I've been looking for signs the Russians are cracking and if they are it would be a reason for Vlad to seek peace, he has no choice. A collapse or mutiny of the army in Ukraine would add to his humiliation and he would seek to get out before it happened, they are at the end of their rope. Zelensky in DC must have made an impression on them, if not Vlad, when the ground freezes the Ukrainians are gonna go through them like shit through a goose, probably on two fronts at once until they crack and then they get into their rear with a blitzkrieg and start cutting them off and chopping them up.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Roger snapped it into focus for me.
DIY-HP-LED
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The Russian news says the Russians are waiting for the ground to freeze before going on major assaults.
Also the 100,000 number is dead and wounded.
"In November, Milley put the number of dead and wounded Russian soldiers at 100,000, and that could fall on the low side. "
The Russia-Ukraine war and its ramifications for Russia | Brookings
Nine months into Russia’s latest invasion of Ukraine, the outcome of the war remains unclear but some major ramifications for Russia and its relations with Ukraine, Europe, and the United States have come into focus.www.brookings.edu
DIY-HP-LED
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Roger A. Shrubber
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good. the more they fuck up the daily lives of their citizens, the faster those citizens will get tired of their shit and do something about it.
DIY-HP-LED
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I can't see the Ukrainians passing up the chance to break through when the ground freezes and roll up lot's of prisoners. Winter is different than summer and cut off troops don't last as long, there is no cover. I figure winter is taking a Helluva toll on the Russians and will reduce their fighting effectiveness much more than the Ukrainians, even maintenance becomes factor. Did they sell off the antifreeze for vehicles, or are the running water in the engines? Do they have gloves and boots? winter gear? stoves? body armor?
printer
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And the rest of Putin's quote.
“All conflicts, armed conflicts too, end one way or another with some kind of negotiations,” Putin said as he accused Zelensky of refusing to negotiate.
“We never refused, it was the Ukrainian leadership that refused itself to conduct negotiations … sooner or later any party to the conflict will sit down and negotiate and the sooner those opposing us realize it, the better,” he said.
“We have never given up on it.”
For first known time in public, Putin calls fighting in Ukraine a 'war' | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday used the word "war" to refer to the conflict in Ukraine, the first known time he has publicly deviated from his carefully crafted description of Moscow's invasion as a "special military operation" 10 months after it began.
Not quite "I am ready to negotiate with you and lose."
The Russian Foreign Ministry called the conditions for the start of discussions of security guarantees
There will be no talk about security guarantees as long as NATO instructors and mercenaries remain in Ukraine , and also until the realities defined by Russia on the ground are recognized, said Alexander Darchiev , director of the North American Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry . TASS writes about this .
He named the conditions for starting a discussion of this issue. According to the diplomat, the West should stop "pumping" Ukraine with weapons and support the regime of President Volodymyr Zelensky . The Russian Foreign Ministry is not ready for negotiations while there are mercenaries and NATO instructors in Kiev , he said. In addition, "certain realities on earth" must be recognized.
“It is premature to start any serious negotiations on security guarantees in relation to Ukraine and the Euro-Atlantic region. The ball is now on the American side of the field, ”said the representative of the ministry.
Earlier, the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) spoke about the increase in the number of NATO instructors on the line of contact in the Donbass. At the same time, the instructors of the North Atlantic Alliance not only train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), but also become the head of the Ukrainian army units.
МИД России назвал условия для начала обсуждений гарантий безопасности
В министерстве иностранных дел России рассказали, что разговора о гарантиях безопасности не будет, пока на Украине остаются инструкторы НАТО и наемники, а также пока не будут признаны определенные РФ реалии на земле. «Преждевременно затевать сколь-нибудь серьезные переговоры», — отметили в...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
why am i not surprised.And the rest of Putin's quote.
“All conflicts, armed conflicts too, end one way or another with some kind of negotiations,” Putin said as he accused Zelensky of refusing to negotiate.
“We never refused, it was the Ukrainian leadership that refused itself to conduct negotiations … sooner or later any party to the conflict will sit down and negotiate and the sooner those opposing us realize it, the better,” he said.
“We have never given up on it.”
For first known time in public, Putin calls fighting in Ukraine a 'war' | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday used the word "war" to refer to the conflict in Ukraine, the first known time he has publicly deviated from his carefully crafted description of Moscow's invasion as a "special military operation" 10 months after it began.www.cnn.com
Not quite "I am ready to negotiate with you and lose."
The Russian Foreign Ministry called the conditions for the start of discussions of security guarantees
There will be no talk about security guarantees as long as NATO instructors and mercenaries remain in Ukraine , and also until the realities defined by Russia on the ground are recognized, said Alexander Darchiev , director of the North American Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry . TASS writes about this .
He named the conditions for starting a discussion of this issue. According to the diplomat, the West should stop "pumping" Ukraine with weapons and support the regime of President Volodymyr Zelensky . The Russian Foreign Ministry is not ready for negotiations while there are mercenaries and NATO instructors in Kiev , he said. In addition, "certain realities on earth" must be recognized.
“It is premature to start any serious negotiations on security guarantees in relation to Ukraine and the Euro-Atlantic region. The ball is now on the American side of the field, ”said the representative of the ministry.
Earlier, the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) spoke about the increase in the number of NATO instructors on the line of contact in the Donbass. At the same time, the instructors of the North Atlantic Alliance not only train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), but also become the head of the Ukrainian army units.
МИД России назвал условия для начала обсуждений гарантий безопасности
В министерстве иностранных дел России рассказали, что разговора о гарантиях безопасности не будет, пока на Украине остаются инструкторы НАТО и наемники, а также пока не будут признаны определенные РФ реалии на земле. «Преждевременно затевать сколь-нибудь серьезные переговоры», — отметили в...lenta-ru.translate.goog
DIY-HP-LED
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The consensus is he must be driven out of Ukraine and his army broken. The question is, at what point given the winter conditions and the ground freezing, does his army crack, on one front or another? The spirit may be strong, but the army required to pull it off weak. When the conditions allow the Ukrainians will begin and then we will see, cold weather is what they want for the army, not so much for the civilians. Cold weather will allow them to leverage their equipment and logistics superiority over the Russians who are not ready for the cold.And the rest of Putin's quote.
“All conflicts, armed conflicts too, end one way or another with some kind of negotiations,” Putin said as he accused Zelensky of refusing to negotiate.
“We never refused, it was the Ukrainian leadership that refused itself to conduct negotiations … sooner or later any party to the conflict will sit down and negotiate and the sooner those opposing us realize it, the better,” he said.
“We have never given up on it.”
For first known time in public, Putin calls fighting in Ukraine a 'war' | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday used the word "war" to refer to the conflict in Ukraine, the first known time he has publicly deviated from his carefully crafted description of Moscow's invasion as a "special military operation" 10 months after it began.
Not quite "I am ready to negotiate with you and lose."
The Russian Foreign Ministry called the conditions for the start of discussions of security guarantees
There will be no talk about security guarantees as long as NATO instructors and mercenaries remain in Ukraine , and also until the realities defined by Russia on the ground are recognized, said Alexander Darchiev , director of the North American Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry . TASS writes about this .
He named the conditions for starting a discussion of this issue. According to the diplomat, the West should stop "pumping" Ukraine with weapons and support the regime of President Volodymyr Zelensky . The Russian Foreign Ministry is not ready for negotiations while there are mercenaries and NATO instructors in Kiev , he said. In addition, "certain realities on earth" must be recognized.
“It is premature to start any serious negotiations on security guarantees in relation to Ukraine and the Euro-Atlantic region. The ball is now on the American side of the field, ”said the representative of the ministry.
Earlier, the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) spoke about the increase in the number of NATO instructors on the line of contact in the Donbass. At the same time, the instructors of the North Atlantic Alliance not only train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), but also become the head of the Ukrainian army units.
МИД России назвал условия для начала обсуждений гарантий безопасности
В министерстве иностранных дел России рассказали, что разговора о гарантиях безопасности не будет, пока на Украине остаются инструкторы НАТО и наемники, а также пока не будут признаны определенные РФ реалии на земле. «Преждевременно затевать сколь-нибудь серьезные переговоры», — отметили в...
So when the Russian army in Ukraine cracks, what will Vlad do? They expect an attack from the north, but might not wait for it to happen before breaking it up.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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well, then, there'll never be peace between Ukraine and russia...so i guess we should just step up aid till the Ukraines can stomp on putin so bad he'll accept THEIR terms...And the rest of Putin's quote.
“All conflicts, armed conflicts too, end one way or another with some kind of negotiations,” Putin said as he accused Zelensky of refusing to negotiate.
“We never refused, it was the Ukrainian leadership that refused itself to conduct negotiations … sooner or later any party to the conflict will sit down and negotiate and the sooner those opposing us realize it, the better,” he said.
“We have never given up on it.”
For first known time in public, Putin calls fighting in Ukraine a 'war' | CNN
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday used the word "war" to refer to the conflict in Ukraine, the first known time he has publicly deviated from his carefully crafted description of Moscow's invasion as a "special military operation" 10 months after it began.
Not quite "I am ready to negotiate with you and lose."
The Russian Foreign Ministry called the conditions for the start of discussions of security guarantees
There will be no talk about security guarantees as long as NATO instructors and mercenaries remain in Ukraine , and also until the realities defined by Russia on the ground are recognized, said Alexander Darchiev , director of the North American Department of the Russian Foreign Ministry . TASS writes about this .
He named the conditions for starting a discussion of this issue. According to the diplomat, the West should stop "pumping" Ukraine with weapons and support the regime of President Volodymyr Zelensky . The Russian Foreign Ministry is not ready for negotiations while there are mercenaries and NATO instructors in Kiev , he said. In addition, "certain realities on earth" must be recognized.
“It is premature to start any serious negotiations on security guarantees in relation to Ukraine and the Euro-Atlantic region. The ball is now on the American side of the field, ”said the representative of the ministry.
Earlier, the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) spoke about the increase in the number of NATO instructors on the line of contact in the Donbass. At the same time, the instructors of the North Atlantic Alliance not only train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), but also become the head of the Ukrainian army units.
МИД России назвал условия для начала обсуждений гарантий безопасности
В министерстве иностранных дел России рассказали, что разговора о гарантиях безопасности не будет, пока на Украине остаются инструкторы НАТО и наемники, а также пока не будут признаны определенные РФ реалии на земле. «Преждевременно затевать сколь-нибудь серьезные переговоры», — отметили в...
putin wants to be seen as winning when hes not...he wants to call shots when he's out of ammo...
i don't give a fuck what putin wants, and i don't think the Ukrainians do either. at this point, he NEEDS to be publicly humiliated so badly that he will never show his face in public again. so keep mobilizing, keep launching missiles that you can't afford to replace, and the Ukrainians will keep rebuilding, keep killing orcs...and we'll keep helping, till they quit sending them and realize they aren't calling fucking shit
printer
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Zelensky condemns Russia as ‘absolute evil’ after deadly Christmas Eve strikes on Kherson
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned Russia as “absolute evil” on Saturday after a series of deadly strikes were launched on the city of Kherson on Christmas Eve.
Zelensky posted photos of the damage inflicted to the city, which Ukraine retook from Russia last month, on his Telegram profile, saying that this is the “real life” of Ukrainians. He said the areas that Russia shelled were not military facilities and it is only killing “for the sake of intimidation and pleasure.”
“The world must see and understand what absolute evil we are fighting against,” he said.
The Russian shelling of Kherson killed at least 10 people and injured 55, 18 of which were in critical condition.
Zelensky, who just returned to Ukraine after a brief trip to the United States in which he met with President Biden and addressed Congress, said this war is not according to any previously defined rules based on Russia’s tactics.
Russia has focused much of its artillery fire, missiles and shelling since October on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure to try to cut electricity and heating services as winter approached. The shelling has particularly been concentrated on Kherson since Russian forces retreated.
Two people were killed five were wounded earlier on Saturday after shelling struck in the region of Donetsk.
Zelensky condemns Russia as ‘absolute evil’ after deadly Christmas Eve strikes on Kherson
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned Russia as “absolute evil” on Saturday after a series of deadly strikes were launched on the city of Kherson on Christmas Eve. Zelensky posted …
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The Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation explained why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are shelling Kherson
The Ukrainians are shelling Kherson to hide the traces of the humanitarian catastrophe in the city, which they also provoked. This was stated by a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, Advisor to the Acting Governor of the Kherson Region Alexander Malkevich.
“The Armed Forces of Ukraine are committing monstrous crimes in Kherson in order to hide the traces of the humanitarian catastrophe they themselves have arranged,” said Alexander Malkevich. His words are quoted by TASS.
The politician noted that after the Ukrainians invaded the city, there were no improvements in the quality of life of citizens. According to him, no one is engaged in the restoration of peaceful life. “Only settling scores, theft and fierce looting,” the adviser concluded.
В Общественной палате РФ объяснили, зачем ВСУ обстреливают Херсон
Читайте на URA.RU
Roger A. Shrubber
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the Ukrainians are bombing kherson...well, fuck, has anybody told them that they're bombing themselves? man, they're gonna laugh about that one, once they get it straightened out...Zelensky condemns Russia as ‘absolute evil’ after deadly Christmas Eve strikes on Kherson
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned Russia as “absolute evil” on Saturday after a series of deadly strikes were launched on the city of Kherson on Christmas Eve.
Zelensky posted photos of the damage inflicted to the city, which Ukraine retook from Russia last month, on his Telegram profile, saying that this is the “real life” of Ukrainians. He said the areas that Russia shelled were not military facilities and it is only killing “for the sake of intimidation and pleasure.”
“The world must see and understand what absolute evil we are fighting against,” he said.
The Russian shelling of Kherson killed at least 10 people and injured 55, 18 of which were in critical condition.
Zelensky, who just returned to Ukraine after a brief trip to the United States in which he met with President Biden and addressed Congress, said this war is not according to any previously defined rules based on Russia’s tactics.
Russia has focused much of its artillery fire, missiles and shelling since October on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure to try to cut electricity and heating services as winter approached. The shelling has particularly been concentrated on Kherson since Russian forces retreated.
Two people were killed five were wounded earlier on Saturday after shelling struck in the region of Donetsk.
Zelensky condemns Russia as ‘absolute evil’ after deadly Christmas Eve strikes on Kherson
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky condemned Russia as “absolute evil” on Saturday after a series of deadly strikes were launched on the city of Kherson on Christmas Eve. Zelensky posted …
The Civic Chamber of the Russian Federation explained why the Armed Forces of Ukraine are shelling Kherson
The Ukrainians are shelling Kherson to hide the traces of the humanitarian catastrophe in the city, which they also provoked. This was stated by a member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, Advisor to the Acting Governor of the Kherson Region Alexander Malkevich.
“The Armed Forces of Ukraine are committing monstrous crimes in Kherson in order to hide the traces of the humanitarian catastrophe they themselves have arranged,” said Alexander Malkevich. His words are quoted by TASS.
The politician noted that after the Ukrainians invaded the city, there were no improvements in the quality of life of citizens. According to him, no one is engaged in the restoration of peaceful life. “Only settling scores, theft and fierce looting,” the adviser concluded.
В Общественной палате РФ объяснили, зачем ВСУ обстреливают Херсон
Читайте на URA.RUura-news.translate.goog
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
So the Russians admit to a humanitarian catastrophe with the typical abuser’s logic. “Look what you made us do!”
Budzbuddha
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Putin : “ Come take look out Vindow ! “
Buzakov : “ I see nothing …. “
Putin : “ Be like Bird ….. “
Buzakov : “ AAAAAAAHHHHHHGGGGHHHHH ! “
Russia’s TASS news agency reported that the corporation said his “untimely” death had occurred “tragically,” but no cause of death was given, nor any details about where he died.
The corporation noted that Buzakov’s “main achievement” since taking the helm at one of Russia’s oldest and largest shipyards in 2011 was “the preservation and strengthening of positions in the market of modern non-nuclear submarines, surface ships and deep-sea equipment.”
Buzakov : “ I see nothing …. “
Putin : “ Be like Bird ….. “
Buzakov : “ AAAAAAAHHHHHHGGGGHHHHH ! “
Russia’s TASS news agency reported that the corporation said his “untimely” death had occurred “tragically,” but no cause of death was given, nor any details about where he died.
The corporation noted that Buzakov’s “main achievement” since taking the helm at one of Russia’s oldest and largest shipyards in 2011 was “the preservation and strengthening of positions in the market of modern non-nuclear submarines, surface ships and deep-sea equipment.”
Roger A. Shrubber
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i wonder how many are being killed by putin, how many by resistance/partisan type groups?
some of the people who have died, it's obviously been putin, but some of them there seems to be no motive for him.
but i'm sure there is a lot of context missing from my analyses...
DIY-HP-LED
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Invisible death for Russian equipment: a new-made Ukrainian drone frightens Russia at the front line
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Ukrainian defenders are successfully using the combat R18 octocopter, made of improvised means by volunteers of 'Aerorozvidka'. Despite its small size and cost, the Ukrainian-made drone has already destroyed more than a hundred units of Russian military equipment. What is the uniqueness of the Ukrainian drone, and why the Russian army is so afraid of it – learn in our report.
DIY-HP-LED
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UKRAINE UNLEASHES 'REVOLUTIONARY' NEW WEAPON TO OUTGUN RUSSIA IN BATTLE || 2022
DIY-HP-LED
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24 Dec: Russians REALIZED THEY ARE IN BIG TROUBLE | War in Ukraine Explained